NVIDIA is Ending GameStream Feature for its Shield TV Products

[lexluthermiester]

Right about what will happening

Nope. Never gonna happen.

Who remembers Onlive and Stadia?

Exactly. These are big name companies pushing these "services". You don't get bigger than NVidia and Google and even THEY can't sell such crap services. It's a bad idea. It's always been a bad idea.

It doesn't even look good on paper. "You'll own nothing and be happy" will never be the way if I have a say in it, not to mention the horrible latency across any home broadband.

And ALOT of people feel the same way. I have no interest in "renting" games.

 

[Kohl Baas]

Nope. Never gonna happen.


Exactly. These are big name companies pushing these "services". You don't get bigger than NVidia and Google and even THEY can't sell such crap services. It's a bad idea. It's always been a bad idea.


And ALOT of people feel the same way. I have no interest in "renting" games.

I agree to disagree.

The only thing holding these services back are the inadequate network infrastructure. As I mentioned before you'd need a network capable of latencies in the nanosecond range instead of the milliseconds to elliminate double-lag.

Most people already buying their games digitally for comfort on a service provider sometimes playing them by connecting to 1-3 other services so no. It's already happend partially.

 

[ThrashZone]

Nope. Never gonna happen.


Exactly. These are big name companies pushing these "services". You don't get bigger than NVidia and Google and even THEY can't sell such crap services. It's a bad idea. It's always been a bad idea.


And ALOT of people feel the same way. I have no interest in "renting" games.

Hi,
Not sure I'd say never happen way to many people do use cell phones for cheesy ass game apps

I'd personally never yearly sub online gaming services.

 

[AusWolf]

I agree to disagree.

The only thing holding these services back are the inadequate network infrastructure. As I mentioned before you'd need a network capable of latencies in the nanosecond range instead of the milliseconds to elliminate double-lag.

Most people already buying their games digitally for comfort on a service provider sometimes playing them by connecting to 1-3 other services so no. It's already happend partially.

I buy my games on a service provider (Steam or GOG) because I don't have a choice. As long as both of these platforms offer indefinite playtime and offline access to installed games, it's the lesser of two evils.

I will never ever subject myself to subscription services, cloud gaming or any other form of rental agreement. The concept of "games as a service" should have never been invented, and I wish it a painful death.

 

[Kohl Baas]

I buy my games on a service provider (Steam or GOG) because I don't have a choice. As long as both of these platforms offer indefinite playtime and offline access to installed games, it's the lesser of two evils.

I will never ever subject myself to subscription services, cloud gaming or any other form of rental agreement. The concept of "games as a service" should have never been invented, and I wish it a painful death.

BS. There is always a chioce if you hold you principles before your comfort. You could play tabletop games, read books or just not spending any time or money on games distributed in manners with which you disagree.

And I very stronlgy doubt you don't use any subscription service. Unless you've typed this on a public/library computer you already need to have some kind of internet service subscription.

 

[R-T-B]

Please don't share/stream your home made p*rn via Nvidia cloud or got risk to be blackmailed. Huh.

Like anybody does that by accident.

NVidia finally ending a feature no-one asked for, no-one wanted and no-one cares about? That took long enough.

Local network game streaming is a commonly used feature today. I wouldn't be so quick to condemn it.

Oh please, do hush. You're embarrassing yourself. I'm not cheering DLC. IF you knew anything about me, you would know that I am a staunch AntiDRM advocate. And for YOU to call me a nobody? Really?

You do however seem to be confusing this with Geforce now. This is a local network streaming protocol, not an online streaming service.

 

[lexluthermiester]

way to many people do use cell phones for cheesy ass game apps

We're not discussing casual gaming with mobile apps.

Local network game streaming is a commonly used feature today. I wouldn't be so quick to condemn it.

Nonsense. Very few people use it, which is why it's been discontinued.

You do however seem to be confusing this with Geforce now.

No I'm not. GeforceNow is on it's way out as well. The LAN stream thing is just as useless as internet game streaming. To me, they are two sides of the same coin. With one gone, the other will likely soon follow, and good riddance.

NVIDIA GameStream vs. GeForce Now: What's the Difference?

When it comes to PC gaming, NVIDIA arguably rules the roost.

www.howtogeek.com

@Kohl Baas
Don't you have anything better to do the make retaliatory emojis? Kinda sad..

 

[AusWolf]

BS. There is always a chioce if you hold you principles before your comfort.

Cool. Show me where I can buy new games on physical media that doesn't require you to be connected to the internet, and I'll do just that.

You could play tabletop games, read books or just not spending any time or money on games distributed in manners with which you disagree.

I could also quit my job because I disagree with modern corporate practices. Or stop paying utilities because I disagree with the way they keep increasing prices. Or just stop having a life altogether. Great plan!

And I very stronlgy doubt you don't use any subscription service. Unless you've typed this on a public/library computer you already need to have some kind of internet service subscription.

Games are a property (ideally). The internet is not. If you don't see the difference, I can't help you.

 

[claes]

Don't you have anything better to do the make retaliatory emojis? Kinda sad..

Pot, meet kettle

Cool. Show me where I can buy new games on physical media that doesn't require you to be connected to the internet, and I'll do just that.


I could also quit my job because I disagree with modern corporate practices. Or stop paying utilities because I disagree with the way they keep increasing prices. Or just stop having a life altogether. Great plan!

I think you just dug your own grave there buddy. If gaming moves to streaming, what’re you gonna do?

Games are a property (ideally). The internet is not. If you don't see the difference, I can't help you.

If the Internet isn’t property, what is it? Genuine question I’m curious what you mean

 

[AusWolf]

I think you just dug your own grave there buddy. If gaming moves to streaming, what’re you gonna do?

Gaming will never completely move to streaming because

1. what would Intel, AMD and Nvidia do otherwise? No one would buy their overpriced hardware every 1-2 years.
2. the infrastructure doesn't allow it. Most of the world has crappy, unstable, low bandwidth internet connection, including my town in the middle of England.
3. there are many people who feel the same way as I do, proven by the fact that game streaming services have never gained much popularity. Even Google Stadia closed down recently.

If the Internet isn’t property, what is it? Genuine question I’m curious what you mean

Property is what you own. You don't own the internet and neither do I. But I do own the games that I've bought (at least the ones on physical media and on GOG).

 

[TumbleGeorge]

If gaming moves to streaming, what’re you gonna do?

Out there has 30000 older non streaming games which I didn't play yet.

 

[claes]

Gaming will never completely move to streaming because

1. what would Intel, AMD and Nvidia do otherwise? No one would buy their overpriced hardware every 1-2 years.

Continue to ignore consumers because there real business is compute and the cloud?

1. the infrastructure doesn't allow it. Most of the world has crappy, unstable, low bandwidth internet connection, including my town in the middle of England.

Only a matter of time?

1. there are many people who feel the same way as I do, proven by the fact that game streaming services have never gained much popularity. Even Google Stadia closed down recently.

Same with tv and film yet here we are… you literally conceded this argument in your last post when you asked for a place to purchase games physically.

Property is what you own. You don't own the internet and neither do I. But I do own the games that I've bought (at least the ones on physical media and on GOG).

Idk what “the Internet” means here. Content on the Internet is owned by its creators (and increasingly had paywalls/subscriptions). Servers are owned by hosting companies. The cables run through the ground are owned by ISPs. Maybe I misunderstand but it’s all property to me?

 

[Godrilla]

Gaming will never completely move to streaming because

1. what would Intel, AMD and Nvidia do otherwise? No one would buy their overpriced hardware every 1-2 years.
2. the infrastructure doesn't allow it. Most of the world has crappy, unstable, low bandwidth internet connection, including my town in the middle of England.
3. there are many people who feel the same way as I do, proven by the fact that game streaming services have never gained much popularity. Even Google Stadia closed down recently.

Property is what you own. You don't own the internet and neither do I. But I do own the games that I've bought (at least the ones on physical media and on GOG).

In order for streaming to take over conventional local gaming it would have to have a successful business model. Onlive and now Stadia failure prove that this isn't happening any time soon. The network infrastructure simply can't handle everyone gaming via cloud the ISP will default to their greedy positions of data capping and inflating service cost which would defeat the whole purpose of it being cheaper in the short sight. The mass target demographic audiences is dense rural areas that likely still don't have a direct fiber connection due to local jurisdictions/ forced monopolies even 5g has supposedly 4 times the latency of a wired connection at best. While greedy monopolies with endless pit of money will attempt to push cloud gaming every generation. Just sit back and enjoy their failed attempts. Who remembers the out of touch cringe worthy Stadia initial promo video? Gamers speak with their wallets and it takes just a few bad/laggy connections to make up your mind completely unless you don't have a choice. Until then say no to cloud gaming!

 

[AusWolf]

Continue to ignore consumers because there real business is compute and the cloud?

It would still mean the loss of a complete market, which is unacceptable in capitalism based on eternal growth.

Only a matter of time?

Here in England, probably. Around the entire world, I doubt it.

Same with tv and film yet here we are… you literally conceded this argument in your last post when you asked for a place to purchase games physically.

You can still buy films on physical media, which is exactly what I do besides pirating. In the last post, I argued against the statement "There is always a choice if you hold you principles before your comfort." Physical media was just an example that I chose. The point being: there isn't always a choice, and when there is, it doesn't always have to be one extreme over another. I don't have a choice to buy games on physical media, but that doesn't mean that I have to switch to streaming, or stop gaming altogether.

Idk what “the Internet” means here. Content on the Internet is owned by its creators (and increasingly had paywalls/subscriptions). Servers are owned by hosting companies. The cables run through the ground are owned by ISPs. Maybe I misunderstand but it’s all property to me?

Exactly. Just not your property. If you want your favorite films and games to be someone else's property as well, be my guest. As for me, I'll keep avoiding subscription plans, and instead, buy what I want.

Nothing will ever convince me that content subscription services and game streaming are better than buying, especially not weak arguments like "it's the future". No, it's not. Let's leave it at that.

 

[hat]

Streaming services such as Netflix have already failed us. Once we had 13 different streaming services, each with their own exclusive content, the price rose to meet the cost of a traditional cable TV subscription. That isn't a problem with the technology, as streaming tends to work pretty well... but streaming a movie is a lot simpler than streaming a game. Movies are comparatively simple... every time you watch a movie, it's exactly the same, frame by frame, bit by bit. And you can buffer. You can't buffer games. Games are constantly changing and each time you play is different, and the interactions between you and the game rely on fast, low latency connections between you and the game. That's a lot harder to do with a streaming service over the internet. It's an inherent flaw in the design until the internet and all the connections between you and whatever server you land on are just as fast as running the game locally. And then we will have the same problem that we do with streaming services for movies and TV shows. You'll have a hundred different streaming services, each with their own monthly subscription... I can see it now. You'll be paying a subscription to Activision to play Call of Duty, another subscription to EA to play Battlefield, another to Bethesda to play Fallout, some other subscription to Steam or some other large publisher to play indie titles... and you'll be shelling out gigatons of money to play games you otherwise could have just bought once and played forever.

 

[claes]

Everyone’s points here are valid, but all of the big tech companies are focused on the cloud, AI, and compute. Consumer PC components are a tiny portion of revenue in comparison, for all of them. I’m not excited about it either (I don’t game anymore but I get all my tv and movies the naughty way, too), but it’s not so much a matter of if but when.

 

[AusWolf]

Everyone’s points here are valid, but all of the big tech companies are focused on the cloud, AI, and compute. Consumer PC components are a tiny portion of revenue in comparison, for all of them. I’m not excited about it either (I don’t game anymore but I get all my tv and movies the naughty way, too), but it’s not so much a matter of if but when.

I still don't think so, as long as distance kills latency (which will always be the case, thanks to physics). The cloud has its uses, but gaming is not one of them.

 

[Kohl Baas]

Don't you have anything better to do the make retaliatory emojis? Kinda sad..

Says the guy doing the same and starts an argument shushing someone? Swallow your own pill please...

Cool. Show me where I can buy new games on physical media that doesn't require you to be connected to the internet, and I'll do just that.


I could also quit my job because I disagree with modern corporate practices. Or stop paying utilities because I disagree with the way they keep increasing prices. Or just stop having a life altogether. Great plan!


Games are a property (ideally). The internet is not. If you don't see the difference, I can't help you.

-You never could.*

-You could. And the price would be your comfort. As I wrote earlier.

-*Games are intellectual property and as such are the property of their creator or whoever buys it's ownership from the creator. You newer owned a single game in your life regardless of it's format. What you owned was the phisical data storage and a license to the usage.

 

[AusWolf]

-You never could.*

Seriously? How old are you?

-You could. And the price would be your comfort. As I wrote earlier.

So for you, it's either principles, or comfort with absolutely nothing in between. Cloud gaming, or no gaming at all. Does that not sound a tiny bit retarded to you?

-*Games are intellectual property and as such are the property of their creator or whoever buys it's ownership from the creator. You newer owned a single game in your life regardless of it's format. What you owned was the phisical data storage and a license to the usage.

I didn't think I had to specify this but here we go... (sigh) Yes, I own a license to use the games that exist on the physical media in my possession, and in my Steam/GOG library. With cloud gaming and subscription services, I don't have that, which is not good enough for me. Sorry for not citing the whole EULA of every single game that I "own", but I thought the term "own" was self-explanatory from an end user perspective.

Please, continue being a smartass. Let's see how well it serves you. I'm still not convinced that cloud gaming is something, by the way.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Pot, meet kettle

There is a difference between laughing at someone who says something silly and backtracking through a thread to emoji flame someone in retaliation. Learn how to context.

Everyone’s points here are valid

No they're not. Everyone is welcome to their opinions. However, that does not make them correct.

Says the guy doing the same and starts an argument shushing someone? Swallow your own pill please...

Oh?

Notice the time points. This is evidence of emoji-flaming. Text-book example. You were saying what now?

*Games are intellectual property and as such are the property of their creator or whoever buys it's ownership from the creator. You newer owned a single game in your life regardless of it's format. What you owned was the phisical data storage and a license to the usage.

There are so many flaws in this statement. Your lack of understanding is just sad.

Seriously? How old are you?

Right?

I didn't think I had to specify this but here we go... (sigh) Yes, I own a license to use the games that exist on the physical media in my possession, and in my Steam/GOG library.

Minor correction(and no offense intended), because of how GOG works and the wording of the purchase agreements, users actually own their copy of any game they receive from GOG, whether purchased or a freebie.

However, I disgress as we're straying from the topic just a bit..

 

[claes]

No they're not. Everyone is welcome to their opinions. However, that does not make them correct.

This is what I mean by the pot calling the kettle black… I was responding to three posts whose points I thought were valid, and you just randomly quoted to troll me because you don’t like me

have a good holiday you curmudgeon

 

[apoklyps3]

We're not discussing casual gaming with mobile apps.


Nonsense. Very few people use it, which is why it's been discontinued.

No I'm not. GeforceNow is on it's way out as well. The LAN stream thing is just as useless as internet game streaming. To me, they are two sides of the same coin. With one gone, the other will likely soon follow, and good riddance.

NVIDIA GameStream vs. GeForce Now: What's the Difference?

When it comes to PC gaming, NVIDIA arguably rules the roost.

www.howtogeek.com

@Kohl Baas
Don't you have anything better to do the make retaliatory emojis? Kinda sad..

very few people use it?
excuse me ?
how many people you know in total out of all the nvidia gpu customers?
you literally have no idea what you are talking about.

I'll bet you any amount that the only reason it is getting discontinued it is because it was free and it's about to come back , later, rebranded as a pay-per use service or limited to the latest GPU, or any of the crap that nvidia scams people out their money these days.

 

[AusWolf]

very few people use it?
excuse me ?
how many people you know in total out of all the nvidia gpu customers?
you literally have no idea what you are talking about.

Do you have any official data? Out of the circle of people I know, nobody uses it.

I'll bet you any amount that the only reason it is getting discontinued it is because it was free and it's about to come back , later, rebranded as a pay-per use service or limited to the latest GPU, or any of the crap that nvidia scams people out their money these days.

That's very likely.

 

[apoklyps3]

and out of the people I know and are PC users everybody uses is (14 people) in combination with moonlight-qt.
the circle of people you know doesn't sound like official data.
it's not for me to say everybody uses it and it's not for you and the other guy to say nobody is using it.

as far as streaming from your pc to another room or to another device on the internet is by far the best solution.
if some of you guys just by 4090's just to play fortnite or click refresh on the desktop, it doesn't mean all of us are doing the same. some are more advanced and use advanced features. it was an advertised feature they sold millions of GPUs and now they are just planning to erase it? basically stealing money from our pockets.

people cheering for the removal of a feature that was advertised disgust me.

 

[AusWolf]

and out of the people I know and are PC users everybody uses is (14 people) in combination with moonlight-qt.
the circle of people you know doesn't sound like official data.
it's not for me to say everybody uses it and it's not for you and the other guy to say nobody is using it.

That's why I asked if you have any official data.