RTX 4070 Ti Price :(

[GamerGuy]

I have used BOTH this entire 32 years gaming in equal measure both on and off for a year at most and I have Never seen AMD look cartoony compared to Nvidia GPU.

Yep, I agree, been using both ATi/AMD since the 9700Pro day, and with nVidia since the TNT Riva IIRC. And over the years, running sometimes two machines with AMD and nVidia cards, last CF setup was a pair of VEGA64 while at the same time, another rig with 2x SLi'ed GTX Titan, and I'd great fun with both.

As for that comment about AMD cards making games look 'cartoony' made by the other poster, I find that to be, to put it bluntly, utter nonsense. So far, he's the only who's said that, others have commented about performance, AMD's "crappy driver", etc....none has said it made their games look 'cartoony'. Perhaps IF he could provide a screenshot or two of said 'cartoony' looking games actually looking 'cartoony', I'd more inclined to take him seriously.

 

[eidairaman1]

I think by "greed camp" they actually mean themselves. Nobody forces anyone to upgrade every generation, and/or buy into high refresh rate, high resolution gaming, but some people just can't help it.

I mean, if you have extra cash to spend, go for it. If you don't, then just be happy with what you have, and stop complaining (you = general you). Nobody needs a 7900 XTX or 4080 just to play games at any setting.

Come to think of it we don't need to play games at all lolz, its all want

 

[AusWolf]

Come to think of it we don't need to play games at all lolz, its all want

True, but if you do want to game, you can just slap a 1060 in your PC, and enjoy some mid-high detail 1080p graphics. The experience between that and higher resolutions and/or RT is minimal...

Unless the game is so boring that you end up counting polygons, or wondering about how the lights are rendered, or something. In which case, you shouldn't be playing that game at all.

 

[droopyRO]

The days of sub 400USD for an RTX xx60 class are well and truly over, mark my words, the RTX 4060 would most likely be >400USD, more likely than not, closer to mid-400USD to 500USD. Mr Leatherjacket had already made it known by proclaiming Moore's Law is Dead, thus positing nVidia new paradigm shift in pricing policy.

If and only if it were to have RTX 3080 performance i would buy one. But if the 4060 has 3060Ti performance for the same money, yeah ... we will never see another hardware age like the one from about 2005 to 2015 was.

 

[Deleted member 177333]

what planet are you on? used market is just as bad. Used market is guided by the new, if all new stuff is crazy expensive it also inflates used parts

Just gotta keep your eyes open and be patient - not every deal is going to be great as some sellers are trying to recoup losses (don't let them), but they're out there. I picked up a used 2080 Ti a couple years ago with a pre-installed WB for $700 shortly after the 3000 series launched when most 2080 Tis were still going for upwards of $1500. I probably bid on ~50 2080 Tis up to that point before winning that auction. Never gave a shit when I lost, either - I knew what I considered a 2080 Ti to be worth, and wasn't going to pay a cent more.

Picked up my current ROG Strix 3090 with front and back EK WB (around a $300 value) for $1100 several months before the 4000 series launched (I didn't trust NVidia to have decent pricing or supply so didn't bother waiting on the launch), not far removed from seeing them routinely going for $2000-3000.

Just keep your eyes open, know what you're willing to pay and STICK TO IT. Don't budge. People budging on what they consider 'reasonable' is what got us in this mess with the scalping to begin with. When you see people still trying to sell these cards for crazy prices, let 'em rot - I hope people who bought the scalped cards early on and payed out their rear ends for them lose massive money on them in the re-sell.

 

[Neo_Morpheus]

If AMD called the 7900XT a 7800XT and priced it at $650 USD there is zero chance they could meet the demand for that product, it'd be perpetually out of stock, scalped and among other things they'd be accused of a paper launch. Price it like they did... Well we saw what happened. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

That is actually a valid point.

It also doesn't help that I really don't like Nvidia.

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Right..

And paying 1000usd for an AMD card is any different.

As for AMD, I would have to see one in person running in person, something I haven't done because I don't know anyone who runs AMD IRL.

Hi, my name is Neo, proud owner of a RX 6900 XT, nice to meet you.

I'm not worried about being biased, it is my wallet in the end.

The wallet part is a valid point, but the badge displayed (staff member) comes with extra “weight “ hence being biased to the point of exaggerating (making things look cartoony) is not a good image to present.

Get a 3xxx and enjoy all modern games at nice frame rates.

Let me fix that a bit for you “Get a 3xxx or a RX6xxxx and enjoy all modern games at nice frame rates.
Thats why dear leader Jensen keeps charging what he does, the loyalty aka sale is guaranteed.

 

[freeagent]

Hi, my name is Neo, proud owner of a RX 6900 XT, nice to meet you.

Nice to meet you Neo, I see you are in NYC..

Honestly it would be cheaper for me to buy the card to try it rather than to drive to NYC right now

The wallet part is a valid point, but the badge displayed (staff member) comes with extra “weight “ hence being biased to the point of exaggerating (making things look cartoony) is not a good image to present.

You missed in another thread where I said I might try one.

I know what works for me, which is why I said what I did.

 

[Bomby569]

you guys should by 3000 and 6000 series and you aren't clearly doing enough. We need that crap to sell out.

 

[wolf]

They're all greedy but I think it's pretty clear who is the greediest of them all and by a lot.

It's not clear to me at all, in fact I think Intel and AMD are just as greedy if not greedier, but when not currently in the position of outright market leader we just see less evidence of it, because they can't get away with it, history has shown this trend to hold. There's only so much you can get away with playing second or third fiddle.

 

[Fluffmeister]

It's not clear to me at all, in fact I think Intel and AMD are just as greedy if not greedier, but when not currently in the position of outright market leader we just see less evidence of it, because they can't get away with it, history has shown this trend to hold. There's only so much you can get away with playing second or third fiddle.

Exactly, cards like the poncy 7900 XT and 7900 XTX aren't disruptive to the market at all, if anything they are just riding on Nvidia's coattails.

 

[Neo_Morpheus]

Exactly, cards like the poncy 7900 XT and 7900 XTX aren't disruptive to the market at all, if anything they are just riding on Nvidia's coattails.

Well, i would say that 300 bucks in my pocket are more disruptive than they being in dear leader jensen pockets.

 

[wolf]

True, but if you do want to game, you can just slap a 1060 in your PC, and enjoy some mid-high detail 1080p graphics. The experience between that and higher resolutions and/or RT is minimal...

Unless the game is so boring that you end up counting polygons, or wondering about how the lights are rendered, or something. In which case, you shouldn't be playing that game at all.

Consider also that some people get other things out of video games than you might. Immersion being one for sure,and sitting very close to a large high refresh rate 4k OLED is quanitifably more immersive than say a 24" 1080p monitor, and of course there VR. I know I derive a hec of a lot of entertainment value from experimenting and playing around with graphical features and technologies, tweaking the games and hardware themselves too. I'm not sure anyone is qualified to tell me that's not valid enjoyment (not that you are necessarily).

 

[Vya Domus]

but when not currently in the position of outright market leader we just see less evidence of it, because they can't get away with it

It's nonsensical to hypothesize who would be greedier if they had the chance to do it, I can only look at things as they stand right now.

 

[wolf]

It's nonsensical to hypothesize who would be greedier if they had the chance to do it, I can only look at things as they stand right now.

History has already showed what happens (when AMD had a lead) and even without the lead in recent times what they can and actually do, it's not a hyptotheis at all. You can call it whatever you want to call it, I say for certain they're just as greedy if not more, and that debating it is pointless. My bar for corporate greed is very low, all 3 major players have somersaulted so far over it that it's not a deciding factor in my purchases, as it seems to be for others who appear to consider one brands greed level, which is a moving target, the acceptable level.

 

[TumbleGeorge]

New rumor for 4070 ti MSPR - $799
$100 below previous expectations.

 

[Vya Domus]

History has already showed what happens (when AMD had a lead) and even without the lead in recent times what they can and actually do, it's not a hyptotheis at all. You can call it whatever you want to call it, I say for certain they're just as greedy if not more, and that debating it is pointless. My bar for corporate greed is very low, all 3 major players have somersaulted so far over it that it's not a deciding factor in my purchases, as it seems to be for others who appear to consider one brands greed level, which is a moving target, the acceptable level.

I don't recall AMD ever increasing the prices generation to generation for the same class of card by almost 70%. So yes, it is absolutely just a hypothesis unless it actually happens. I have to remind you of the context here where AMD did not increase prices at all, this generation.

 

[Bomby569]

I don't recall AMD ever increasing the prices generation to generation for the same class of card by almost 70%. So yes, it is absolutely just a hypothesis unless it actually happens.

have you ever looked to AMD's market share? if they did that they would close shop. Again, it's not because they are better, it's because they can't.

 

[Vya Domus]

have you ever looked to AMD's market share? if they did that they would close shop. Again, it's not because they are better, it's because they can't.

Again, just hypothetical "if this and that" which doesn't mean anything. I personally think that if AMD were to have a larger market share, they would sell their cards for free, in fact, they'd also send you a pound of cocaine with each purchase. But that's just a hypothesis which is as believable as yours as far as I am concerned.

 

[wolf]

I don't recall AMD ever increasing the prices generation to generation for the same class of card by almost 70%. So yes, it is absolutely just a hypothesis unless it actually happens. I have to remind yourself of the context here where AMD did not increase prices at all, this generation.

The second from top sku absolutely has had a massive price increase, and it's even more cut down relative to last gen with said massive price increase to boot, and may I remind you and everyone that corporate greed isn't limited to the examples of your choice.

This definitely reaffirms my thoughts on the matter.

 

[Bomby569]

Again, just hypothetical "if this and that" which doesn't mean anything. I personally think that if AMD were to have a larger market share, they would sell their cards for free, in fact, they'd also send you a pound of cocaine with each purchase. But that's just a hypothesis which is as believable as yours as far as I am concerned.

their market share isn't hypothetical and that's what drives their price policy. It's economics not futurology

they sell cheaper and they still get crushed by Nvidia, how is this not related to their price policy? how could they ever increase their prices?

 

[Vya Domus]

The second from top sku absolutely has had a massive price increase

No it didn't.

6900 XT was 999$ at launch vs 7900 XT (899$) and the 6950 XT, which I suppose is the equivalent of the 7900 XTX (999$) for the moment, was 1099$. You can argue that it's just naming but no matter how you spin it they did not increase prices in any way that can even be remotely considered "greedy" or comparable to what Nvidia did.

May I remind everyone that Nvidia is about to launch a xx70ti card for 800-900 bucks ? It's crazy to me you guys are even arguing about this.

 

[wolf]

No it didn't.

6900 XT was 999$ at launch vs 7900 XT (899$) and the 6950 XT, which I suppose is the equivalent of the 7900 XTX (999$) for the moment, was 1099$. You can argue that it's just naming but no matter how you spin it they did not increase prices in any way that can even be remotely considered "greedy" or comparable to what Nvidia did.

The 6900XT at 999 USD was the top chip AMD had to offer, they cut down an sku they called the 6800XT that they offered at 649 USD USD or was it 679? Either way, it changes the equation very little. Now the top chip is 999 again, and the second most top chip, further cut down relative to the 6900XT/6800XT relationship, is 899 USD. = Massive price increase.

If your perspective is different, it again reaffirms my thoughts on the matter, which I've made clear. AMD's greed for some appears to be the acceptable level and others aren't.

You can argue that it isn't and that nvidia is greedier till the cows come home mate, I see what I see and I know what I know, this is but one example of the greed and playing the corporate/shareholder/profits game and I will not give them a pass or put them on a pedestal for it.


I've seen plenty more over the past two decades from everyone that makes me not consider the company's "greed" as a purchase factor.

Your perspective clearly is different, and you will also appear to argue that point passionately, but your words are absolutely lost on me, and I'm not alone. Stop defending billion dollar corporations.

 

[Waldorf]

ahhh, the 21st century when ppl still buy based on label/model, instead of what their budget/wallet allows and fits the perf needed (not wanted).
funny how that all goes out the window when ppl are buying (gpu/cpu) hw...

are "you" also going to go to a landlord and complain you didnt get that 6 room penthouse for the same price you pay right now for a 2 bedroom?
or that you didnt get a 2 door-2 seater-700HP-sportscard for the price of a smart car?

 

[Vya Domus]

The 6900XT at 999 USD was the top chip AMD had to offer, they cut down an sku they called the 6800XT that they offered at 649 USD USD or was it 679? Either way, it changes the equation very little. Now the top chip is 999 again, and the second most top chip, further cut down relative to the 6900XT/6800XT relationship, is 899 USD. = Massive price increase.

You don't know what the 7800 XT or whatever will be called is going to be priced, there was no 899$ option with the 6000 series but you insist to compare it to the 6800XT for some reason. I somehow doubt the 7800XT is going to be considerably more expensive than the 6800 XT was but we'll see.

But anyway can you explain to me how better performance at the same price point is worse and greedy in your view ? Your logic truly boggles my mind.

Stop defending billion dollar corporations.

Ironic, we're on a thread that's technically about how crazy expensive an upcoming Nvidia card is going to be and you're here trying to argue that "they're all greedy and it's all the same". Hmm, I wonder who is really trying to defend the billion dollar company here.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

The 6900XT at 999 USD was the top chip AMD had to offer, they cut down an sku they called the 6800XT that they offered at 649 USD USD or was it 679? Either way, it changes the equation very little. Now the top chip is 999 again, and the second most top chip, further cut down relative to the 6900XT/6800XT relationship, is 899 USD. = Massive price increase.

If your perspective is different, it again reaffirms my thoughts on the matter, which I've made clear. AMD's greed for some appears to be the acceptable level and others aren't.

You can argue that it isn't and that nvidia is greedier till the cows come home mate, I see what I see and I know what I know, this is but one example of the greed and playing the corporate/shareholder/profits game and I will not give them a pass or put them on a pedestal for it.


I've seen plenty more over the past two decades from everyone that makes me not consider the company's "greed" as a purchase factor.

Your perspective clearly is different, and you will also appear to argue that point passionately, but your words are absolutely lost on me, and I'm not alone. Stop defending billion dollar corporations.

Err, yet again YOU are defending Nvidia's pricing by saying it's all fair AMD WOULD do the same?? Pot kettle, black.