RTX 4070 Ti Price :(

[nguyen]

new rumor is that 4070Ti will be 800usd MSRP, at that price the 4070Ti will put nail in 7900XT's coffin LMAO.

 

[wolf]

Your logic truly boggles my mind

As does yours, If you don't understand it yet I have no intention of dumbing it down any further, I've stated it as simple as it gets.

Err, yet again YOU are defending Nvidia's pricing by saying it's all fair AMD WOULD do the same?? Pot kettle, black.

I'm not defending anyone's pricing, it's all shit.

Both of you need to read the words I actually write and not try full in the blanks with your own thoughts.

All new gen pricing is garbage, all these companies are greedy, they all want as much money from you as they can possibly get through whatever means they have at their disposal, and none of them get my praise.

At this rate if we can't at least agree to disagree I see mod intervention coming.

 

[Bomby569]

ahhh, the 21st century when ppl still buy based on label/model, instead of what their budget/wallet allows and fits the perf needed (not wanted).
funny how that all goes out the window when ppl are buying (gpu/cpu) hw...

are "you" also going to go to a landlord and complain you didnt get that 6 room penthouse for the same price you pay right now for a 2 bedroom?
or that you didnt get a 2 door-2 seater-700HP-sportscard for the price of a smart car?

at this rate we'll all be using 1030's (or whatever replaces it) in 2030. Not sure why you fell we should just adapt and be fine with it.

 

[Vya Domus]

As does yours, If you don't understand it yet I have no intention of dumbing it down any further, I've stated it as simple as it gets.

That's cool because I am willing to dumb it down even further just to show how nonsensical your points are.

Nvidia releases the RTX 4080, a card that's roughly 40% faster than the 3080 for 70% more launch MSRP, AMD releases the 7900 XTX, a card that's also roughly 40% faster than the 6900 XT but it's at the same launch MSRP.

And you insist to tell me that they're all the same ? Yeah sure, maybe if you're dyslexic or something.

 

[wolf]

And you insist to tell me that they're all the same ?

Yes they're the same. If you want to ignore my examples and just hang your hat on your own I have nothing to gain from you whatsoever, it appears as though through all this you still either don't grasp my concept or are willfully ignoring it. Either way.

Past and present show that all 3 companies do whatever they want to maximise profit, some are in a position to maximise that further, some aren't, that changes, they don't.

Yet again, this absolutely reaffirms my thoughts on the matter, multiple people are keen to jump in and defend but one company, and I won't defend any of them. I made my choice you made yours. I'm done mate, enjoy your fruitless argument and holding one of 3 mega corporations to a different standard than I would, I can't live like that.unless you have a new concept to talk about, please don't reply to me.

 

[Vya Domus]

Yes they're the same.

That's cool, you're just objectively wrong though.

3 mega corporations to a different standard than I would

I hold each of them to different standards depending on what each of them do, because you know, they're not all the same.

 

[wolf]

That's cool, you're just objectively wrong though

As are you. Are we done yet?

 

[Vya Domus]

As are you. Are we done yet?

You know if you feel like I am annoying you with logic and reason you can always just stop replying.

 

[wolf]

You know if you feel like I am annoying with logic and reason you can always just stop responding.

You seem equally, if not more annoyed by my my logic and reason. I wonder why that is. Such passion to defend AMD. Commendable, you should be on their payroll, I wouldn't do that for free.

 

[Vya Domus]

I wouldn't do that for free.

Oh, I bet.

 

[N/A]

new rumor is that 4070Ti will be 800usd MSRP, at that price the 4070Ti will put nail in 7900XT's coffin LMAO.

7900xt was terribly priced to begin with as stated by many influencers, XTX is the one worth getting if found at MSRP that is. I'm just hoping for 4070 delivering 3080/12 performance at lower power and cost, but it's most likely weaker than 3080 even.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I don't rememeber saying that at all.

I'm not thanking anyone, certainly not AMgreeD for the 7900XT existing as it is, merely pointing out that a 2022 launch 650 USD 7900XT (bearing any name) is pure fantasy.

Oh absolutely no question is grees, my post was responding to someone saying AMD missed an opportunity and should have priced the 7900XT at 650 USD and named it differently, and that us pure fantasy.

When people say things like "the greed camp" I honestly don't know who they mean anymore, it could be any of the big 3, but for some their tolerance for said greed conveniently sits just above what one particular brand demonstrates.

As does yours, If you don't understand it yet I have no intention of dumbing it down any further, I've stated it as simple as it gets.

I'm not defending anyone's pricing, it's all shit.

Both of you need to read the words I actually write and not try full in the blanks with your own thoughts.

All new gen pricing is garbage, all these companies are greedy, they all want as much money from you as they can possibly get through whatever means they have at their disposal, and none of them get my praise.

At this rate if we can't at least agree to disagree I see mod intervention coming.

Yes they're the same. If you want to ignore my examples and just hang your hat on your own I have nothing to gain from you whatsoever, it appears as though through all this you still either don't grasp my concept or are willfully ignoring it. Either way.

Past and present show that all 3 companies do whatever they want to maximise profit, some are in a position to maximise that further, some aren't, that changes, they don't.

Yet again, this absolutely reaffirms my thoughts on the matter, multiple people are keen to jump in and defend but one company, and I won't defend any of them. I made my choice you made yours. I'm done mate, enjoy your fruitless argument and holding one of 3 mega corporations to a different standard than I would, I can't live like that.unless you have a new concept to talk about, please don't reply to me.

There's a definite slant to your allegedly unbiased arguing though, so there's that.

You can't retort Amgreedy at someone's ngreedia comments and then turn around and say your not defending a company when you were clearly shaken into action.

I read the whole thread, you are raising fair points, to be fair and most are reasonable, yes AMD or Intel get shity at the top too but, Nvidia is at the top, end Nvidia are bumping prices too high others FOLLOW, but.

They're not what this threads about.

Whataboutism is a shit defense tactic.

And we're here in This thread to talk 4070Ti, and it's price isn't looking great is it.

That's on point.

 

[the54thvoid]

Steve at GN has a pretty good point about stagnation. If a product is 10% better but also 10% more expensive, it is NOT a forwards step. Generationally, a better product should be sold on a value proposition. The 4080 failed at it, massively. The 4090 is the halo (for now) so it doesn't follow the same rules (halos never did). We've yet to see reviews for the 4070ti. At 800 bucks, it's 45% more expensive than the 3070ti. We can use FE pricing to avoid AIB tax. It needs to be more than 45% faster to avoid that same stagnation tag. But a mid-tier card (I'd happily argue that X070ti cards are NOT top end) at 800 bucks is terrible value for money. Frankly, it's shameful from Nvidia.

AMD aren't doing much better with the 7900XT, in fact, it's a piece-of-shit product for it's stupid price. The 7900XTX is reasonably faster than the 4080 (RT excuses aside), and is AMD's halo, so it get's the same pricing freedom as the 4090, but has to be far cheaper as nothing touches that card. I wouldn't buy the 7900XT for more than 700 bucks, tops. The 4070ti, same ballpark, if not cheaper (I think it'll be worse without NV's software implementations).

Neither company is doing anybody (except their shareholders) any favours this generation. So, while y'all bicker about it, I'll sit another round out. And really, I can easily see a future where gaming GPU's become obsolete. 500 bucks? I'll go buy a PS5 and play games right now on a 55" screen. Better I'll go play games a year or more before they reach PC.

Nvidia and AMD are pricing hobbyists out of the very market they're trying to sell to.

 

[Neo_Morpheus]

new rumor is that 4070Ti will be 800usd MSRP, at that price the 4070Ti will put nail in 7900XT's coffin LMAO.

I’m confused, its the 4070ti that much faster than the 7900xt to make such a bold statement?

 

[TumbleGeorge]

4070 ti. At 800 bucks

Yes fear MSPR of this card is $500 to 600 FE/custom models. Those prices because inflation. If inflation doesn't exist with $100-150 less.

 

[Vya Domus]

I’m confused, its the 4070ti that much faster than the 7900xt to make such a bold statement?

4070ti has 78% of the shaders that the 4080 has, so roughly 78% of the performance, these things scale pretty linearly. This means the 4070ti will be somewhere around a 3080ti. Which hilariously will be pretty much the same price, possibly the 4070ti will be even more expensive at launch, oh and it also has 12 GB of VRAM.

 

[StaticVapour]

I'm confused with current GPU market anyways, I don't know what I should pick if all I basically want is good looking and more-than-playable (stable) VR experience in any VR game. Naturally normal flatscreen games should run well.. used xx70 series from NVIDIA is expensive, so is AMD equivalent

 

[Neo_Morpheus]

4070ti has 78% of the shaders that the 4080 has, so roughly 78% of the performance, these things scale pretty linearly. This means the 4070ti will be somewhere around a 3080ti. Which hilariously will be pretty much the same price, possibly the 4070ti will be even more expensive at launch, oh and it also has 12 GB of VRAM.

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So it might be slower than the 7900xt, yet priced either the same or higher?

Then i am still confused as to how this GPU will be the final nail on the 7900xt coffin, per the other poster .

 

[Bomby569]

So it might be slower than the 7900xt, yet priced either the same or higher?

Then i am still confused as to how this GPU will be the final nail on the 7900xt coffin, per the other poster .

any AMD gpu that performs about the same (and ignoring DLSS and RTX) as any Nvidia card and costs about the same is destined to see the Nvidia one outsell them 10/1, and i'm being optimistic here

 

[Waldorf]

@Bomby569
because ppl act like different when its about hw.
they don't "protest in front of other businesses", whining about the fact that they cant "afford" their product.

lets say you have 30/50/+100K in E/$ to spend on a car, are you then going to Lambo, saying they are greedy and need to lower their prices,
so that you can buy their SUV?
right...

completely ignoring the fact that if everyone (here) would make +1M/year (income),
there wouldn't be anyone complaining about the price, as ppl would just buy it.

@Neo_Morpheus
i would get Nv just for the fact that i want shadowplay.
ignoring the driver crap i have seen years ago, as i havent used red gpus since 2007.

 

[Dan.G]

I would be very happy if I could get an RTX 4050 for less than 299 Eu (assuming it offers at least 30% performance increase over my current 1660 Ti)
I'll probably upgrade when RTX 6030 comes out

 

[shovenose]

So it might be slower than the 7900xt, yet priced either the same or higher?

Then i am still confused as to how this GPU will be the final nail on the 7900xt coffin, per the other poster .

Some people in this thread are doing mental gymastics to turn their opinions into facts.

If the 4070Ti competes with the 7900XT AMD should drop the price of their card to, let's say, $849 to start with and maybe $799 soon-ish down the road. But anything less than that, well the price won't make a huge difference in the sales and they may as well keep the margins because even when AMD is the far better performance per dollar option (basically the entire RX 6000 series post crypto) the market has shown that NVIDIA still gets the sales.

True, but if you do want to game, you can just slap a 1060 in your PC, and enjoy some mid-high detail 1080p graphics. The experience between that and higher resolutions and/or RT is minimal...

Unless the game is so boring that you end up counting polygons, or wondering about how the lights are rendered, or something. In which case, you shouldn't be playing that game at all.

But maybe some people enjoy pretty graphics. I personally got tired of GTA 5 but now that I have a 4K monitor and an RX 7900XT I've got into it again. It's really not that ugly of a game despite its age when you crank up the settings as high as they go Also MSFS2020 is far more enjoyable now that it's not a powerpoint presentation like it was on my old GPU at 4K. When I played at 1080P my old GPU was fine but the world and planes just weren't so beautiful and the immersion was lost.

 

[nguyen]

Steve at GN has a pretty good point about stagnation. If a product is 10% better but also 10% more expensive, it is NOT a forwards step. Generationally, a better product should be sold on a value proposition. The 4080 failed at it, massively. The 4090 is the halo (for now) so it doesn't follow the same rules (halos never did). We've yet to see reviews for the 4070ti. At 800 bucks, it's 45% more expensive than the 3070ti. We can use FE pricing to avoid AIB tax. It needs to be more than 45% faster to avoid that same stagnation tag. But a mid-tier card (I'd happily argue that X070ti cards are NOT top end) at 800 bucks is terrible value for money. Frankly, it's shameful from Nvidia.

AMD aren't doing much better with the 7900XT, in fact, it's a piece-of-shit product for it's stupid price. The 7900XTX is reasonably faster than the 4080 (RT excuses aside), and is AMD's halo, so it get's the same pricing freedom as the 4090, but has to be far cheaper as nothing touches that card. I wouldn't buy the 7900XT for more than 700 bucks, tops. The 4070ti, same ballpark, if not cheaper (I think it'll be worse without NV's software implementations).

Neither company is doing anybody (except their shareholders) any favours this generation. So, while y'all bicker about it, I'll sit another round out. And really, I can easily see a future where gaming GPU's become obsolete. 500 bucks? I'll go buy a PS5 and play games right now on a 55" screen. Better I'll go play games a year or more before they reach PC.

Nvidia and AMD are pricing hobbyists out of the very market they're trying to sell to.

4070Ti are AIB only, so if Nvidia can enforce 800usd for base models (like Asus TUF) and 850-900usd for premium SKUs, that's still pretty palatable compare to the pos 7900XT

As for console, paying 70usd for shitty sub 10h games is not that great of an idea, in the long run you would just pay about the same money but getting much worse gaming experience along the way anyways.

Btw when GPU price are stagnant, you can sell your old GPU at better price too, so maybe sell your 2080Ti for 350usd and get the 4070Ti? If everything were normal, used 2080Ti should be selling at 200usd

 

[TumbleGeorge]

4070Ti are AIB only, so if Nvidia can enforce 800usd for base models (like Asus TUF) and 850-900usd for premium SKUs, that's still pretty palatable compare to the pos 7900XT

As for console, paying 70usd for shitty sub 10h games is not that great of an idea, in the long run you would just pay about the same money but getting much worse gaming experience along the way anyways.

Console save much more than price only for graphic card. In fact save price of all internal and external parts of PC, include PC monitor. Also save via smaller power consumption via electricity bills.

 

[Neo_Morpheus]

i would get Nv just for the fact that i want shadowplay.
ignoring the driver crap i have seen years ago, as i havent used red gpus since 2007.

Valid point. But ReLive is supposed to be good on the new ones thanks to AV1.
I personally don't use either .

Drivers wise, that stopped being an issue a while ago.