Ryzen 5 5600 (Non X) Temperature

[mekro1009]

Hello,

What are Ryzen 5 5600 (Non X) Normal Temperatures?

I just upgraded from a Ryzen 5 2600 to a 5 5600.

With the 2600 my temps when idle were between 30-35C but i did not pay attention to what it used to be while gaming. But now after upgrading to the 5600 with just my browser, steam, ICUE and Dragon Center opened my temps would stay between 48-55C sometimes it would randomly spike to 60C for like a second or 2 and when gaming (I tried phasmophobia, Darktide, BF2042 and MW2 to check the temps) it would stay between 55-62C sometimes it jumps to 65.

Is this normal because of the Ryzen 5 5600 heat density? i don't use the stock cooler it came with, i'm using the AIO Cooler Master masterliquid ML240L v2 240mm on the front side of my case.

Should i reinstall the AIO and/or re-apply thermal paste?

 

[HD64G]

5600 (stock@75-80W) is hotter than 2600 (stock@75-80W), even the 2600X (limited to 95W instead of 126W using PBO) just because of 7nm vs 12nm. I have both, used them with the same cooler and know that well enough. 5600 though can use curve optimised to reduce voltage and keep temps lower that allows higher clocks for multithreaded apps. Check that post.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Should i reinstall the AIO and/or re-apply thermal paste?

Yes. You likely need to reseat and repaste your cooling solution, making sure that the heatplate is tight and flat on the CPU IHS. The 5600 should not be running that hot, especially with an AIO.

 

[mekro1009]

Yes. You likely need to reseat and repaste your cooling solution, making sure that the heatplate is tight and flat on the CPU IHS. The 5600 should not be running that hot, especially with an AIO.

Thank you for the reply!
I just checked my temps again with just Steam, Dragon Center, Icue and browser on and it's now sitting between 38c-43c sometimes it spikes to 45. It used to be 48-55C. Are these temperatures still normal? Or should they still be lower?

 

[lexluthermiester]

Thank you for the reply!
I just checked my temps again with just Steam, Dragon Center, Icue and browser on and it's now sitting between 38c-43c sometimes it spikes to 45. It used to be 48-55C. Are these temperatures still normal? Or should they still be lower?

No, you're good. Those are reasonable temps. To get into the 60's for that CPU was odd. Mid to high 40's and low 50's is about what you should expect from that CPU with a properly mounted AIO.

BTW, Welcome to TPU!

 

[mekro1009]

No, you're good. Those are reasonable temps. To get into the 60's for that CPU was odd. Mid to high 40's and low 50's is about what you should expect from that CPU with a properly mounted AIO.

BTW, Welcome to TPU!

Thanks for the help! What a relief

BTW, Welcome to TPU!

Thank you!

 

[Chrispy_]

Yeah, Zen3's boost has as much more aggressive "rush to idle" behaviour than Zen+ so it gets hotter, faster, to finish whatever it's doing quicker.

Resting temps for me on a 5800X with a dual-radiator custom loop and no GPU are still 15C above ambient. As long as your 5600X isn't bouncing off the throttle limit at 90C you're good. Even with an AIO, 75-85C isn't uncommon, there's just a lot of heat coming from a very small patch of silicon on the single-die Zen3 models.

 

[mekro1009]

Yeah, Zen3's boost has as much more aggressive "rush to idle" behaviour than Zen+ so it gets hotter, faster, to finish whatever it's doing quicker.

Resting temps for me on a 5800X with a dual-radiator custom loop and no GPU are still 15C above ambient. As long as your 5600X isn't bouncing off the throttle limit at 90C you're good. Even with an AIO, 75-85C isn't uncommon, there's just a lot of heat coming from a very small patch of silicon on the single-die Zen3 models.

Thank you for the reply!

I was getting really worried about this Temperature change.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Even with an AIO, 75-85C isn't uncommon, there's just a lot of heat coming from a very small patch of silicon on the single-die Zen3 models.

I've never seen that. For a good AIO, even a 5900X shouldn't be topping 75C, if it is, there's something not right in the setup.

 

[eidairaman1]

Thank you for the reply!
I just checked my temps again with just Steam, Dragon Center, Icue and browser on and it's now sitting between 38c-43c sometimes it spikes to 45. It used to be 48-55C. Are these temperatures still normal? Or should they still be lower?

Yes they are normal...

 

[freeagent]

15c above ambient for a custom loop is not what I would have expected. I don't even do 15c above ambient with my 5900X with an air cooler, more like 5-6c for idle.

I don't think its the rush to boost that makes it warm, a combination of cooling that is not tuned for the process node, and the node itself is just warmer at the top end then its predecessor, in conjunction with the increase in clock speed..

 

[Bill_Bright]

Ambient (room) temperatures play a HUGE role in computer, and especially idle temps. So does case cooling. Contrary to what many want us to believe, air cooling (even OEM air coolers) when properly mounted, are quite adequate at keeping their CPUs sufficiently cooled, AS LONG AS the case interior is not blanketed with layer of heat trapping dust and there is an adequate supply of cool air flowing through the case. And, of course, it is the users responsibility to set up case cooling, mount the cooler (with a proper layer of TIM) and keep the interior clean.

now sitting between 38c-43c sometimes it spikes to 45.

There are some who would kill to have the temps spike "only" to 45°C.

Even with an AIO, 75-85C isn't uncommon

I agree with Lex on this one. I have never seen that - at least not with a properly cooled computer case. Idle temps that high may not be "uncommon", but they are not "common" either. And certainly not acceptable. If those are idle temps, the thought of what those temps might hit when the system is taxed scares me.

 

[freeagent]

My 5600X boosting to 4800 with a little Ultra120 Extreme Rev.4 idles at 25c in a big Define R4 in a 69f space

Say that fast 5 times

 

[DR4G00N]

Your temperatures look completely normal for that cooler. My 5600 @ 4.65GHz CO -30 sit's around 55c (16c ambient) running Cinebench R23 with my custom loop.

 

[mekro1009]

Ambient (room) temperatures play a HUGE role in computer, and especially idle temps. So does case cooling. Contrary to what many want us to believe, air cooling (even OEM air coolers) when properly mounted, are quite adequate at keeping their CPUs sufficiently cooled, AS LONG AS the case interior is not blanketed with layer of heat trapping dust and there is an adequate supply of cool air flowing through the case. And, of course, it is the users responsibility to set up case cooling, mount the cooler (with a proper layer of TIM) and keep the interior clean.


There are some who would kill to have the temps spike "only" to 45°C.


I agree with Lex on this one. I have never seen that - at least not with a properly cooled computer case. Idle temps that high may not be "uncommon", but they are not "common" either. And certainly not acceptable. If those are idle temps, the thought of what those temps might hit when the system is taxed scares me.

Thanks for the reply!

I forgot to mention my ambient temperature, I wouldn't know exactly at the moment but I live in a tropical country, Dominican Republic to be specific, it gets really hot here most of the time. My case currently has 5 Fans, one on the rear, one on the top, one on the bottom and 2 on the AIO on the front. But I think my case is not that good with airflow, specially the front side of it. I have the NZXT H510 case, I was just really worried about the temperature because I have never seen these kind of change before. and previous upgrades.

I made sure the heatsink was nicely spread and that my AIO was very tight. But reading you guy's comments I feel very much relieved.

I would love to know any case, fans, liquid or air cooler recommendations though!

 

[Chrispy_]

I've never seen that. For a good AIO, even a 5900X shouldn't be topping 75C, if it is, there's something not right in the setup.

5900X is easier to cool than a 5600 though; The 142W PPT is divided between two CCDs so the most power going through an individual die is typically under 65W (~15W or so for the IO die)
Even the non-X single-CCD Ryzens are getting 88W PPT, of which typically ~75W will be going through the single die. It's not a huge difference in absolute terms, but we're talking 15% higher wattage through the same area of silicon. The 5800X is the real problem chid because that's trying to cool almost 130W in the same area.

With Zen3, the issue is rarely "too much heat overwhelming the cooling", it's more that the heat density in the die is overwhelming the thermal transfer of the solder, IHS, and cooler baseplate. Whenever a Zen3 CPU is saying it's hot, you'll often find that the air coming off the heatsink or radiator is cool or lukewarm; Unmounting the cooler to check the mounting pressure and inspect the thermal paste is a step I've done many times on many builds when I see high temperatures, but it's never been that - it's simply that Zen3 is subject to hotspots in the die, and some motherboards exacerbate the issue by applying very aggressive voltage curves by default.

Nine times out of ten, I can get Zen3 temperatures down by 10-20C by simply going to curve optimiser and setting a -10 offset on all cores. No other changes required and cooling/fan curves/PBO/PPT/TDC/EDC all left as they were. I'm not sure if -10 CO offset is guaranteed stable on lower-bin CPUs like the vanilla 5600 but I've never had -10 cause instability on 5800X/5900X/5950X and in my own rig I run per-core offsets ranging from 15 to 26 based on HWInfo and some stress testing to find the limits.

A tuned system with optimised voltages can run a single-CCD Zen3 CPU at relatively low temperatures even when beyond max advertised boost on all cores.
At the same time, there are countless threads around the web proving that these chips can get hot, even with decent cooling. It's likely all down to variance between boards and BIOSes. Manufacturers playing it safe will likely just pump up the voltage to ensure it's fast and stable.

 

[freeagent]

5900X is easier to cool than a 5600 though; The 142W PPT is divided between two CCDs so the most power going through an individual die is typically under 65W (~15W or so for the IO die)

They are both easy to cool, even my X3D is. Heck I could fold on my GPU and run WCG on a tuned X3D or a stock 5900X with no fans on my cooler. 5900X is only hot when you put a spicy tune on it and load it up with something heavy. 5600X is only hot with a high static clock and a hard load. Heck I could run 5900X at 185w PPT semi passive. Might get a bit warm though, cant remember.

 

[Bill_Bright]

I would love to know any case, fans, liquid or air cooler recommendations though!

Typically you want a "flow" of cool air through the case. Most commonly, this means intakes in front and exhaust out the back. With bottom and top mounted fans, you typically want bottom to top flow. You typically do NOT want fans fighting each other. So you would not want front and rear fans as intakes.

That said, anything any of us can tell you is just a suggestion for a place to start. Every setup is different and the only way to determine what is best for you is through trial and error. That means you needs to be monitoring your temps with a decent hardware monitor. I use and recommend Core Temp to monitor CPU temps in real time. Under Options > Settings > Notification Area, I have mine set to display "Highest temperature" only.

Try configuring your fans in the most logical manner. Then watch your temps. That is now your baseline. If you turn a fan around or make some other change, see if temps improve, don't change, or get worse.

 

[AlienIsGOD]

another 5600 non x user here is 43c idle with room temp of 23-24c and gaming load 54c avg? cinebench all core test maxxed temps out at 60c. Just a quick chime in would be cool, def not trying to highjack the thread

 

[lexluthermiester]

5900X is easier to cool than a 5600 though

That makes no sense at all. 12 cores instead of 6. Sorry, but that's just not how physics works.

 

[Mr.Scott]

Idle temp don't mean crap. Your load temps are fine. That's all that counts.

 

[mekro1009]

Typically you want a "flow" of cool air through the case. Most commonly, this means intakes in front and exhaust out the back. With bottom and top mounted fans, you typically want bottom to top flow. You typically do NOT want fans fighting each other. So you would not want front and rear fans as intakes.

That said, anything any of us can tell you is just a suggestion for a place to start. Every setup is different and the only way to determine what is best for you is through trial and error. That means you needs to be monitoring your temps with a decent hardware monitor. I use and recommend Core Temp to monitor CPU temps in real time. Under Options > Settings > Notification Area, I have mine set to display "Highest temperature" only.

Try configuring your fans in the most logical manner. Then watch your temps. That is now your baseline. If you turn a fan around or make some other change, see if temps improve, don't change, or get worse.

Yes no worries with how i have it setup. They are not fighting eachother. I set it so the front and the bottom one take in the air and have it exit the top and rear one. But i'll try configuring my fans and see if it makes a change.

Thanks for the info!

 

[Chrispy_]

They are both easy to cool, even my X3D is. Heck I could fold on my GPU and run WCG on a tuned X3D or a stock 5900X with no fans on my cooler. 5900X is only hot when you put a spicy tune on it and load it up with something heavy. 5600X is only hot with a high static clock and a hard load. Heck I could run 5900X at 185w PPT semi passive. Might get a bit warm though, cant remember.

You're in Canada with an open bench, OP is in the Caribbean with an extremely restrictive case suffocating his AIO.

Silicon lottery is a thing, even within the same SKU, and the vanilla 5600 is almost the lowest-binned silicon AMD sells, likely at the edge of the wafer and needing extra voltage. Motherboard defaults and PBO settings play a huge part in how much heat a CPU generates, not all boards are equal - not by a long shot, and many boards default to "too much voltage and aggressive voltage curve" because they'd rather have hot CPUs than unstable systems.

The fact that my or your CPU run cool is irrelevant; OP is in a hot place with a hot case and his temps are still fine. Not as cool as yours or mine, but that's not the point.

@mekro1009 - does removing the right side panel (H510 front intake vents) have any impact on temperatures?

 

[mekro1009]

You're in Canada with an open bench, OP is in the Caribbean with an extremely restrictive case suffocating his AIO.

Silicon lottery is a thing, even within the same SKU, and the vanilla 5600 is almost the lowest-binned silicon AMD sells, likely at the edge of the wafer and needing extra voltage. Motherboard defaults and PBO settings play a huge part in how much heat a CPU generates, not all boards are equal - not by a long shot, and many boards default to "too much voltage and aggressive voltage curve" because they'd rather have hot CPUs than unstable systems.

The fact that my or your CPU run cool is irrelevant; OP is in a hot place with a hot case and his temps are still fine. Not as cool as yours or mine, but that's not the point.

@mekro1009 - does removing the right side panel (H510 front intake vents) have any impact on temperatures?

I took my side panel off and left it for a couple of minutes and temperature is the same which was between 38c and 42c.

Before this I changed my power plan settings to power saving mode and decreased my temps to 34C.

You're in Canada with an open bench, OP is in the Caribbean with an extremely restrictive case suffocating his AIO.

Silicon lottery is a thing, even within the same SKU, and the vanilla 5600 is almost the lowest-binned silicon AMD sells, likely at the edge of the wafer and needing extra voltage. Motherboard defaults and PBO settings play a huge part in how much heat a CPU generates, not all boards are equal - not by a long shot, and many boards default to "too much voltage and aggressive voltage curve" because they'd rather have hot CPUs than unstable systems.

The fact that my or your CPU run cool is irrelevant; OP is in a hot place with a hot case and his temps are still fine. Not as cool as yours or mine, but that's not the point.

@mekro1009 - does removing the right side panel (H510 front intake vents) have any impact on temperatures?

Wait i just re-read the ''H510 FRONT intake vents''. Mine cannot be removed, only the sides. I believe only the H510 Flow has the removable front panel. For the airflow of the front of mine is just a few holes on the side of the case. Unless i drill out the rivets but that would take the top metal part too.

 

[freeagent]

You're in Canada with an open bench, OP is in the Caribbean with an extremely restrictive case suffocating his AIO.

Silicon lottery is a thing, even within the same SKU, and the vanilla 5600 is almost the lowest-binned silicon AMD sells, likely at the edge of the wafer and needing extra voltage. Motherboard defaults and PBO settings play a huge part in how much heat a CPU generates, not all boards are equal - not by a long shot, and many boards default to "too much voltage and aggressive voltage curve" because they'd rather have hot CPUs than unstable systems.

The fact that my or your CPU run cool is irrelevant; OP is in a hot place with a hot case and his temps are still fine. Not as cool as yours or mine, but that's not the point.

@mekro1009 - does removing the right side panel (H510 front intake vents) have any impact on temperatures?

Whoops, I somehow missed his location..

I don’t have an open bench, but I get your point