NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Launched at $799 with Performance Matching RTX 3090 Ti

[ARF]

speculation, nothing more

I don't speculate. I work with a scientific database and historical facts

Look at how this game asks for more VRAM and how the 8 GB is dead in it:

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 Founders Edition Review - Energy-Efficient Beast - Ray Tracing & DLSS | TechPowerUp

This is only one title of many more future titles to come.

 

[HaKN !]

speculation, nothing more


nice internet meme, with no foundation in reality, only some negative emotions and financial angst

Dude what are you on about ? Why are you enabling big companies like this lol ? you think they care about you ? Soon the xx50's class gonna cost 500+ usd. This is ruining the gaming scene completly. But sure blame it on people's economy/budget. of course i can afford the 4090 but why would i pay 3k+ for a gpu ? its insane and dumb and people who do this are slowly killing the DIY scene. Look at the CPU scene , its healthy and the price war is good for everybody

 

[Argyr]

I don't speculate. I work with a scientific database and historical facts

Look at how this game asks for more VRAM and how the 8 GB is dead in it:

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NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 Founders Edition Review - Energy-Efficient Beast - Ray Tracing & DLSS | TechPowerUp

This is only one title of many more future titles to come.

majority of gamers are still on 24" 1080p, despite 2K monitors having been affordable for years. number of people gaming on RT enabled 4K is almost immeasurable. Most of the gamers will be fine with lower VRAM for a decade at least

Dude what are you on about ? Why are you enabling big companies like this lol ? you think they care about you ? Soon the xx50's class gonna cost 500+ usd. This is ruining the gaming scene completly. But sure blame it on people's economy/budget. of course i can afford the 4090 but why would i pay 3k+ for a gpu ? its insane and dumb and people who do this are slowly killing the DIY scene. Look at the CPU scene , its healthy and the price war is good for everybody

I'm a realist. There is nothing in my life, from groceries to utility bills that hasn't received a 30% price hike. Why would I demand from the PC hardware manufacturers to be the only manufacturers who don't raise any prices. I just accepted the nature of things. Foaming about it endlessly seems naive to me.

 

[Fluffmeister]

majority of gamers are still on 24" 1080p, despite 2K monitors having been affordable for years. number of people gaming on RT enabled 4K is almost immeasurable. Most of the gamers will be fine with lower VRAM for a decade at least

Exactly, looking at Steam for example 84% of users have 8GB of VRAM or less.

 

[RedelZaVedno]

The title is obviously copied from Nvidia's announcement and about every site out there uses the same title. Some point at the use of DLSS 3.0 others don't.

The thing is that this is the first step in embracing DLSS 3.0 (and latter FSR 3.0 and who knows maybe XeSS 3.0) as a valid way of increasing framerate.
Fake frames? Nope, soon they will just be frames.

Yeah, but in reality when one does frame by frame analysis these reprojected frames are a mess. We had motion reprojection aka DLSS3 equivalent thanks to Carmack and Valve devs in VR since 2017 maybe even longer and noone made a big deal out of it. Everyone in VR knows motion reprojection sucks and should be used only when locked stable 80 or more frames is unattainable. now Ngreedia wants to present it as a holly grail of next gen GPUs.

 

[HaKN !]

I'm a realist. There is nothing in my life, from groceries to utility bills that hasn't received a 30% price hike. Why would I demand from the PC hardware manufacturers to be the only manufacturers who don't raise any prices. I just accepted the nature of things. Foaming about it endlessly seems naive to me.

And this is why we cant have nice things. The tech companies are still earning the same if not more before the pandemic hit the world stage and are now laying people off because they now want the 2020-2022 economy. Price hike or nah , a AD104-400-A1 295 mm² gpu dosent cost 799+ and you know they wont stay at that price either. The biggest consumer single chip so far that i know off (2080Ti/Titan RTX - Die Size754 mm²) didnt cost 3k+ .

 

[Rahnak]

"Performance Matching RTX 3090 Ti"​

Based on what benchmarks? Haven't seen a thing in their presentation to collaborate this claim. All the Jeff was bubbling about was DLSS3 fakery.

TPU forgot to add the fine print. That's only in RT enabled games along with DLSS3.

 

[RedelZaVedno]

And this is why we cant have nice things. The tech companies are still earning the same if not more before the pandemic hit the world stage and are now laying people off because they now want the 2020-2022 economy. Price hike or nah , a AD104-400-A1 295 mm² gpu dosent cost 799+ and you know they wont stay at that price either. The biggest consumer single chip so far that i know off (2080Ti/Titan RTX - Die Size754 mm²) didnt cost 3k+ .

I agree 100%. Ngreedia and AMD got addicted to +60% profit margins and refuse to accept the reality that global economy is a shitshow atm and will ony get worse down the road. This shortsightedness can easily kill PC gaming as ppl will migrate to consoles and cloudgaming. Wait, maybe that has been AMD's and Ngreedia's plan all along. Move plebs to consoles/cloud and sell $3000 super high margin products only to people with more money than brain.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Once you get past "want and need" it's pretty much simplified
Unless hardware out and out dies I have no need so I kept miners policies active seeing prices are still inflated past my what the hell level.

 

[HaKN !]

Wait, maybe that's the AMD's and Ngreedia's plan. Move plebs to consoles and sell $3000 super high margin products to people with more money than brain.

Uffff couldnt have said that better " More money than brain "

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Think the saying is, more dollars than sense

 

[Argyr]

And this is why we cant have nice things. The tech companies are still earning the same if not more before the pandemic hit the world stage and are now laying people off because they now want the 2020-2022 economy. Price hike or nah , a AD104-400-A1 295 mm² gpu dosent cost 799+ and you know they wont stay at that price either. The biggest consumer single chip so far that i know off (2080Ti/Titan RTX - Die Size754 mm²) didnt cost 3k+ .

have you taken production costs into account? What would be an acceptable price hike to you? please don't tell me you expect Nvidia or AMD to produce for the same prices or less (as prev gen)

Die size? I'm not an expert, but isn't it more costly and technologically demanding to make smaller chips with more shit on them? Silicon is the cheapest component in the whole process, what matters is what's on it, and how complicated the design is. correct me if I'm wrong

 

[HaKN !]

Hi,
Think the saying is, more dollars than sense

Sorry, English is not my native language

 

[ARF]

majority of gamers are still on 24" 1080p

Our target should be to open their eyes, so that they finally upgrade. It is not 2010, it is 2023 and counting.

 

[Dave65]

The worst thing about the 4070 Ti is that reviewers will ... praise the card because in terms of the bang for the buck is a ton better than RTX 4080 and a little bit better than RTX 4090 and people will read it as, "OK, inflation and sh*t but the card is the "best" RTX 40 series card, so, sigh, let's go get it".

As a result it will ... sell out, NVIDIA will realize people are OK with the new pricing which means PC gaming has taken a huge hit and future GPUs will never cost less, only more. And AMD is seemingly happy to oblige and price their cards accordingly. Gone are the days of actual competition in the GPU market.

2023 onward promises to become even worse for PC gaming than 2021/2022 were even with COVID and mining.

@W1zzard

I sure hope you will not praise the card or its pricing. I know it's power efficient, I know it can be faster than RTX 3090 Ti in select RT titles.

It's bloody expensive/overpriced for what people used to get for decades. NVIDIA has lost their mind. Please talk about that loudly. It's not a new norm. It's a daylight robbery. This is a tiny chip, much smaller than 3060 Ti.

Nvidia always gets a pass for shit.. Look at Gamers Nexus, their disappointment 2022 didn't even mention the 4090 plug fires..

 

[Argyr]

I agree 100%. Ngreedia and AMD got addicted to +60% profit margins and refuse to accept the reality that global economy is a shitshow atm and will ony get worse down the road. This shortsightedness can easily kill PC gaming as ppl will migrate to consoles and cloudgaming. Wait, maybe that has been AMD's and Ngreedia's plan all along. Move plebs to consoles/cloud and sell $3000 super high margin products only to people with more money than brain.

or maybe, just maybe, these extremely powerful and complicated modern GPU's can't be produced cheaply anymore? Wouldn't we have more companies doing GPU's if it were cheap and easy to manufacture?

 

[ARF]

Nvidia always gets a pass for shit.. Look at Gamers Nexus, their disappointment 2022 didn't even mention the 4090 plug fires..

Does nvidia sponsor GN, so that GN shuts its mouth over the teething issues?

or maybe, just maybe, these extremely powerful and complicated modern GPU's can't be produced cheaply anymore? Wouldn't we have more companies doing GPU's if it were cheap and easy to manufacture?

lol, the yachts and private jets are never enough...

 

[HaKN !]

have you taken production costs into account? What would be an acceptable price hike to you? please don't tell me you expect Nvidia or AMD to produce for the same prices or less (as prev gen)

Die size? I'm not an expert, but isn't it more costly and technologically demanding to make smaller chips with more shit on them? Silicon is the cheapest component in the whole process, what matters is what's on it, and how complicated the design is. correct me if I'm wrong

The smaller the die size , the cheaper the product gets. Nvidia can take a defective AD102-300-A1 (4090) chip and turn into a 4070Ti(4060). The smaller the node gets EG 4Nm vs lets say 7nm, the more stuff they can put in it. Bottom line is the price for that card is insane ! The GTX 1080Ti (Die Size471 mm²) was 699 at launch. Price hike or not , they can make the AD104-400-A1 almost in every scenario possible. Even the AD103 defective cores can be made to AD104. Hell even RTX 4080 is not a Full AD103 chip..... Just like the RTX 4090, Both chips are Technically defective chips and still overcharge for them.

or maybe, just maybe, these extremely powerful and complicated modern GPU's can't be produced cheaply anymore? Wouldn't we have more companies doing GPU's if it were cheap and easy to manufacture?

If INTEL!!!! Out of all the companies says that Moore's Law is not dead, somethings wrong dont you think ? They just wanna steal as much as they can as fast as they can

 

[Argyr]

Does nvidia sponsor GN, so that GN shuts its mouth over the teething issues?



lol, the yachts and private jets are never enough...

Because the cable issue was 95% user error and not a major manufacturing error such as the XTX vapor chamber thing? Wise of GN for not mentioning it, it's overblown by bored, whiny internet people. Anyone not bashing Nvidia 24/7 is sponsored now? who would even say that GN is sponsored by anyone, jeez.

 

[HaKN !]

Because the cable issue was 95% user error and not a major manufacturing error such as the XTX vapor chamber thing? Wise of GN for not mentioning it, it's overblown by bored, whiny internet people. Anyone not bashing Nvidia 24/7 is sponsored now? who would even say that GN is sponsored by anyone, jeez.

Please stop being a fanboy. They dont care about you. If AMD did this and to a extent they do, ive would say the same thing.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

The smaller the die size , the cheaper the product gets. Nvidia can take a defective AD102-300-A1 (4090) chip and turn into a 4070Ti(4060). The smaller the node gets EG 4Nm vs lets say 7nm, the more stuff they can put in it. Bottom line is the price for that card is insane ! The GTX 1080Ti (Die Size471 mm²) was 699 at launch. Price hike or not , they can make the AD104-400-A1 almost in every scenario possible. Even the AD103 defective cores can be made to AD104. Hell even RTX 4080 is not a Full AD103 chip..... Just like the RTX 4090, Both chips are Technically defective chips and still overcharge for them.

Die size is not the only thing determining fab costs, if that were the case than we would see very different wafer prices in the industry, but its just not the case. 5nm/4N is expensive AF, no way to shake that. GTX1080 was on 16nm and that process was dirt cheap relative to fab costs at <10nm today. Fab costs have gone up exponentially as nodes have gotten smaller, and TSMC has been announcing price increases the last couple years, and just did again recently.

 

[Argyr]

Please stop being a fanboy. They dont care about you. If AMD did this and to a extent they do, ive would say the same thing.

still can't get over it... why would you say that about Tech Jesus? He's a good guy. You're too emotional to think straight.

 

[RedelZaVedno]

or maybe, just maybe, these extremely powerful and complicated modern GPU's can't be produced cheaply anymore? Wouldn't we have more companies doing GPU's if it were cheap and easy to manufacture?

Ngreedia's profit margin tells the different story. They hit 65%, all time high, before mining bust and AMD is no different. It's greed not the cost of dies that's hiking the prices.

 

[HaKN !]

Die size is not the only thing determining fab costs, if that were the case than we would see very different wafer prices in the industry, but its just not the case. 5nm/4N is expensive AF, no way to shake that. GTX1080 was on 16nm and that process was dirt cheap relative to fab costs at <10nm today. Fab costs have gone up exponentially as nodes have gotten smaller, and TSMC has been announcing price increases the last couple years, and just did again recently.

Is that artificial price hike or ? I mean get billions from all sorts of goverments. But nice to hear from someone whos working with this stuff

You're too emotional to think straight.

Says the guy who's defending a multi billion dollar company. its insane to me. And btw , i didnt mention Steve(Gamer's Nexus) But sure make stuff up

 

[ARF]

Because the cable issue was 95% user error and not a major manufacturing error such as the XTX vapor chamber thing? Wise of GN for not mentioning it, it's overblown by bored, whiny internet people. Anyone not bashing Nvidia 24/7 is sponsored now? who would even say that GN is sponsored by anyone, jeez.

The cable issue is due to the terrible card design. Instead of making a longer PCB and a connector on the far right, they made the opposite - very short PCB and connector in the middle.
If you look at your ATX case and the cable management, you will see that it is the design choice which led to this "cable issue".

Die size is not the only thing determining fab costs, if that were the case than we would see very different wafer prices in the industry, but its just not the case. 5nm/4N is expensive AF, no way to shake that. GTX1080 was on 16nm and that process was dirt cheap relative to fab costs at <10nm today. Fab costs have gone up exponentially as nodes have gotten smaller, and TSMC has been announcing price increases the last couple years, and just did again recently.

RTX 4070 Ti is too slow for this market tier.
Look, if RTX 4080 was 5-10% within RTX 4090, and RTX 4070 Ti was then 5-10% within RTX 4080, it would be better.
Now RTX 4070 Ti will be around 60% the performance of RTX 4090 ! Not ok.