Some GPU questions

[vxdiez]

Hi guys!

I hope you can help me choosing my new GPU. Im looking for something that I can keep and can perform well for as many years as possible. I want it to play, pref at 1440p (im getting a new monitor also) and to pair it with a 5600/5600X/5700X CPU.

I have already put my eyes on the RTX 3060ti and the RTX 3070, but im open to new options and I have some questions:

- Is it worth to pay 100€ more for a 3070 before a 3060ti?
- Im worried about the 8gb of VRAM in both cases, do you think that it will be enough for new games in a recent future?
- I have seen a 3070ti for the same price as the 3070, but its a inno3d and I dont know anything about that branch. Do you guys know anything about it? Is it worth to "take the risk" and get it?

As you can see, im a bit lost. Sorry for the long post and thanks in advance!

 

[3x0]

Consider the RX 6700 XT 12GB as it's very close to the 3060Ti or RX 6800 16GB as it's around 3070Ti performance. They're usually cheaper than nV counterparts depending on the local market, and have more VRAM.

 

[P4-630]

- Is it worth to pay 100€ more for a 3070 before a 3060ti?
- Im worried about the 8gb of VRAM in both cases, do you think that it will be enough for new games in a recent future?
- I have seen a 3070ti for the same price as the 3070, but its a inno3d and I dont know anything about that branch. Do you guys know anything about it? Is it worth to "take the risk" and get it?

I use a RTX 2070 Super with a 1440p 165Hz G-Sync monitor, works well for me, haven't had any issues yet because of it's 8GB VRAM..
If you live in a country where you can return the product within 30 days , I'd say you're good to go...

 

[QuietBob]

- Im worried about the 8gb of VRAM in both cases, do you think that it will be enough for new games in a recent future?

Some games can already use more than 8 GB VRAM at 1080p with maximum detail. If your target is 1440p in future titles, I'd definitely suggest a card with a bigger frame buffer.

 

[P4-630]

Some games can already use more than 8 GB VRAM at 1080p with maximum detail. If your target is 1440p in future titles, I'd definitely suggest a card with a bigger frame buffer.

Depends what games you play, and settings ofc...

Which game uses more than 8GB vram @ 1080p?

 

[QuietBob]

Which game uses more than 8GB vram @ 1080p?

Forza 5 and Watch Dogs: Legion go over 8 GB even without RT and MSAA:

 

[P4-630]

Forza 5 and Watch Dogs: Legion go over 8 GB even without RT and MSAA:

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Hmm, I play Forza 5 @ 1440p and high/ultra settings with RT on and MSAA x2, 60fps, didn't had any issues yet.

 

[64K]

Hmm, I play Forza 5 @ 1440p and high/ultra settings with RT on and MSAA x2, 60fps, didn't had any issues yet.

Probably because it doesn't need more than 8 GB VRAM. Some engines allocate more VRAM just because it's there or don't delete old textures from VRAM that aren't needed anymore.

 

[P4-630]

I just checked, I see I don't use MSAA, these are my settings at 1440p, nearly 8GB vram used but at 1440p 60fps for me.

 

[dirtyferret]

inno3d and I dont know anything about that branch

inno3d has been around for a while, kind of a no thrills board partner but legit and capable

Probably because it doesn't need more than 8 GB VRAM. Some engines allocate more VRAM just because it's there or don't delete old textures from VRAM that aren't needed anymore.

this, using 8GB and needing 8GB is two different things

 

[N/A]

there will be a 4070 12GB at around that price, avoid everything else if you can. But I wouldn't count on it lasting very long. for it's essentially a 4060 class. everything got rebranded one tier higher since 3050-3090.

 

[3x0]

 

[Vya Domus]

Some engines allocate more VRAM just because it's there

That's not really true, I don't know why people keep believing this. If the game allocates some memory it's because it will use it at some point, GPUs swap data in and out of VRAM when they run out of memory just as the rest of the system does, the less memory available there is the more chances there are it's going to have to swap memory which will result in horrendous stutter.

or don't delete old textures from VRAM that aren't needed anymore.

That's not true either, that would be a memory leak which would be catastrophic no matter how much memory there is.

- Is it worth to pay 100€ more for a 3070 before a 3060ti?

No, especially on an older gen, it's really not gonna matter down the line.

- Im worried about the 8gb of VRAM in both cases, do you think that it will be enough for new games in a recent future?

It might matter at higher resolutions, I would not buy a new card with 8GB these days.

- I have seen a 3070ti for the same price as the 3070, but its a inno3d and I dont know anything about that branch.

It's fine if you can get a 3070ti for the same money then there is no reason not to.

 

[64K]

That's not really true, I don't know why people keep believing this. If the game allocates some memory it's because it will use it at some point, GPUs swap data in and out of VRAM when they run out of memory just as the rest of the system does, the less memory available there is the more chances there are it's going to have to swap memory which will result in horrendous stutter.



That's not true either, that would be a memory leak which would be catastrophic no matter how much memory there is.


No, especially on an older gen, it's really not gonna matter down the line.


It might matter at higher resolutions, I would not buy a new card with 8GB these days.


It's fine if you can get a 3070ti for the same money then there is no reason not to.

It is true though. The most extreme example I can recall is Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare reviewed here on TPU. It ran fine on a card with 3 GB VRAM. A member here reported that it was using 11 GB VRAM on his Titan X.

 

[vxdiez]

I would love to thank you all 1 by 1 for your answers

Reading all your answers and watching the video @3x0 posted, I think I got my 2 finalists. 3060ti and 6700XT.

- 3060ti (Gigabyte Gaming OC 520€):​

• PROS:
  • Nvidia Features (DLSS + Drivers)
  • I think Gigabyte is a good branch
• CONS:
  • 8gb VRAM
  • More expensive (60€ more than the 6700XT)
  • Less FPS (not a lot)

- 6700XT (XFX SPEEDSTER CORE Gaming 460€):​

• PROS:
  • Cheaper
  • Better performance
  • 12gb VRAM
• CONS.
  • I dont know a lot about XFX
  • AMD Features + Drivers.

My biggest concern about the 6700XT are the drivers and not having DLSS, I have a friend that recently bought an AMD and he is having some troubles with the drivers update and those things. I have always heard that the NVidia drivers are better and that DLSS is way better than FSR.

With all this in mind, and knowing that im pairing the GPU with a 3600X/3700X CPU and I want to play at 1440p, wich one would you recommend me?

Thanks again for all your help!

 

[3x0]

DLSS is marginally better than FSR 2.0, you won't notice the difference during gameplay unless you pause and look very closely. It all depends what games you play and the specific implementation of DLSS or FSR in that game. As for drivers, most of the trouble is being reported by people running multi monitor setups. They have fixed some of the reported issues but not all.

My choice would be to go for RX6700XT and spend the extra 60e on a better monitor if possible than the one you were planning on buying.

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

he included "raytracing as an other Nvidia excluisive" feature.
It is not an "Nvidia exclusive feature" it's a "DX12 feature". RTX has ruined the thought raytracing being part of the DX12 A.P.I.

 

[3x0]

he included "raytracing as an other Nvidia excluisive" feature.

He said "even when factoring raytracing performance and other nVidia exclusive features", not that raytracing is nV exclusive.

 

[phanbuey]

DLSS is marginally better than FSR 2.0, you won't notice the difference during gameplay unless you pause and look very closely. It all depends what games you play and the specific implementation of DLSS or FSR in that game. As for drivers, most of the trouble is being reported by people running multi monitor setups. They have fixed some of the reported issues but not all.

My choice would be to go for RX6700XT and spend the extra 60e on a better monitor if possible than the one you were planning on buying.

I want FSR to be good, but when I try it it's pretty bad in everything except cyberpunk (that implementation is quite good now).

Out of the 4 games that have FSR - 3 are basically unusable and 1 is great.

6700XT still slaps for the money though, I recommend that card in almost all scenarios below $600.

 

[N/A]

You don't catch the drift of the video. None of the choices are good, the best value Nvidia is still stuck at 2 year old MSRP, this is a terrible value indeed. but if you really really need a card get a 6600.

 

[BlaezaLite]

I've never used FSR, despite having AMD. Don't see it as being necessary to be honest. I'd recommend the 6700/XT too.

 

[vxdiez]

Well guys, a new player has come to the game xD

I was waiting because I was choosing the other components of my new PC, and today I've seen a RX6800 for 550€ (90€ more expensive than the 6700XT. Do you think that it is worth those 90€?

Here is the link of the 6800, it is in Spanish, so maybe you dont understand anything, or maybe you can translate it. Do you see anything particular about that GPU?

https://www.pccomponentes.com/sapphire-pulse-amd-radeon-rx-6800-16gb-gddr6

Thanks again for all your help!

Edit: added link

 

[3x0]

For 20% more money (460 vs 550) you get ~25% more performance. I don't see the link, so I don't know which model exactly are you referring to

 

[tabascosauz]

Well guys, a new player has come to the game xD

I was waiting because I was choosing the other components of my new PC, and today I've seen a RX6800 for 550€ (90€ more expensive than the 6700XT. Do you think that it is worth those 90€?

Here is the link of the 6800, it is in Spanish, so maybe you dont understand anything, or maybe you can translate it. Do you see anything particular about that GPU?

Thanks again for all your help!

If you want a GPU you can stick with, the other GPUs choices don't even come close to the RX6800. Basically a slightly faster 3070 Ti that doesn't have to worry about VRAM in the future (which is what the 3070 Ti should have been). Barring the current controversy about the December drivers (and no one knows the true cause), RX6000 drivers are mature enough at this time that Nvidia "driver advantage" doesn't mean much.

550EUR seems roughly around the price where I last saw RX6800 here in Canada. Doesn't seem like a screaming deal, but 6800/6800XT/6900XT/6950XT have been disappearing from the market.

I'd pick up a 6800 in a heartbeat over the 3060Ti/3070/3070Ti or 6700XT/6750XT.

 

[GerKNG]

- Is it worth to pay 100€ more for a 3070 before a 3060ti?
- Im worried about the 8gb of VRAM in both cases, do you think that it will be enough for new games in a recent future?
- I have seen a 3070ti for the same price as the 3070, but its a inno3d and I dont know anything about that branch. Do you guys know anything about it? Is it worth to "take the risk" and get it?

no.
yes.
yes.