4080ti or 4080 super: when?

[nguyen]

I can easily get 200-300 fps using high/ultra settings at 1440p in most games, or i will gladly lower settings further to optain it.

AMD have headroom to drop price, they always does this over time.

More and more games run better on AMD, because AMD is used in consoles.

PC games with Nvidia gimping tech tends to run better on Nvidia, but will Nvidia pay game devs forever? Or will dev's simply prefer to code for the hardware used in consoles; AMD tech.

Many games run better on AMD now. 7900 XTX stomps on 4090 in games like MW2/Warzone2 which millions of people play, just to name one.

4090 have terrible perf/dollar.

4090 is still faster in Warzone2, which btw is only #9 most played on Steam currently, millions players? yeah right

Sure if you like to play at 200FPS+ in single player game, go ahead, but that's just stupid .

Maybe AMD is trying to scurry off entirely to console, they keep losing in PC games, despite being in consoles since PS3/XB360?

 

[the54thvoid]

Right folks - enough trolling. Was about to reply-ban a member then realised it IS an Nvidia thread about which Nvidia card to possibly wait for.

No more AMD versus NV BS, please.

 

[Chomiq]

I can easily get 200-300 fps using high/ultra settings at 1440p in most games, or i will gladly lower settings further to optain it.

AMD have headroom to drop price, they always does this over time.

More and more games run better on AMD, because AMD is used in consoles.

PC games with Nvidia gimping tech tends to run better on Nvidia, but will Nvidia pay game devs forever? Or will dev's simply prefer to code for the hardware used in consoles; AMD tech.

Many games run better on AMD now. 7900 XTX stomps on 4090 in games like MW2/Warzone2 which millions of people play, just to name one.

4090 have terrible perf/dollar.

And yet AMD is still behind in adoption rate by gamers, explain?

As someone said, if you can afford 4080 Ti it probably means you can afford the 4090. Supers were one off.

 

[nguyen]

Jup, I also vote for just grab the 4090 now, which pretty much will stay being the best GPU money can buy for at least another year.

 

[Chrispy_]

Do you have a monitor and games that you actively NEED a $1300 GPU right now?

If not, don't buy. The rate of depreciation of something like the 4080 is going to be record-breaking. They're sat unsold on store shelves worldwide with pricing that barely even works in a vacuum, let alone the real world. Significant price drops are almost a given, at some point between now and when the rest of the 40-series and 7000-series GPUs have launched.

1. Buy the monitor you want. That will be a solid investment that's good for several years
2. Then, buy the sweet-spot GPU that covers the most demanding game you want to play at the monitor's resolution. Don't overthink this, you'll be replacing it in 3 years or so anyway.
3. Enjoy your game(s)
4. Crack open a cold beer, take a deep slurp, and smack your lips in satisfaction of a job well done.

 

[AnotherReader]

If not, don't buy. The rate of depreciation of something like the 4080 is going to be record-breaking. They're sat unsold on store shelves worldwide with pricing that barely even works in a vacuum, let alone the real world. Significant price drops are almost a given, at some point between now and when the rest of the 40-series and 7000-series GPUs have launched.

I agree. Significant price drops are already being seen on at least one new GPU: the 7900 XT. It is available for as low as $ 1055.5 here which works out to about 782 USD.

 

[ir_cow]

1660 Super review: https://www.techradar.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1660-super

There was apparently a 1660 Super and a 1660Ti with the Ti being the more performant card.

These are not Pascal (10 series) but actually Turing (20 series). Just some Nvidia marketing magic.

 

[gffermari]

Funny you think many people care about RT perf. It's pretty much useless unless you buy a 4090 for 1440p RT gaming, and STILL accept dips below 100 fps. Or use DLSS/FSR to run the game at even lower resolution. RT destroys performance no matter what brand you use. Only the most expensive milking cards will be able to do RT at all, and not for long.

2080 Ti is weak as hell for RT gaming. My 3080 Ti barely does 1080p RT on high settings. POINTLESS. RT was 100% pointless on 2000 series, way too slow.

RT = Useless gimmick feature. It will matter in 5+ years, maybe.

For now, it's just a gimping tech, that will make cards obsolete faster. Consoles did not adopt it, they run software RT. So it's propietary Nvidia gimping tech on PC. Nvidia pay on PER GAME basis to get it implemented, just like PhysX back in the days. No money for devs = No RT. Sad but true.

It makes next to zero difference in actual gaming, because you won't really notice the difference when you ACTUALLY PLAY instead of standing still. However framerate will be 100-200% lower.
In some games, RT ON actually looks worse as well.

7900XTX beats 4080 by 5% in 1440p and overclocking headroom is much bigger as well, 10% can be gained.

1440p is still the sweet spot and especially now with 300-400 Hz IPS panels. I will take 200+ fps any day over 50-100 fps at 4K .. or 20-40 fps with RT ON - LMAO...

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What the hell is all that???!!! Looool.

RT is not a gimmick, either you like it or not.
The 2080Ti is capable of using the feature only combined with DLSS.

On topic, when I pay 1000+£ for a gpu, yes I want Raster and RT and DLSS and NVenc and CUDA and everything.
AMD cannot price their gpus at this level when RT performance is garbage, there’s no CUDA alternative, there’s no nvenc alternative etc. Yes FSR is competitive (I don’t see difference to DLSS 2 in most titles), the 7900s only have AV1, the 6000s??

So, to sum up.
4080Ti at 1199£, 4080 at 999£.
I wanted to be 899 but it will cannibalise the 4070Ti and the green team does not want to reduce the price on the latter. It sells quite the numbers anyway.
All will remain expensive even after the price cuts and the introduction of the new cards.

And I’m still in the dilemma 4070Ti or used 3090 or wait for 999£ 4080?

 

[tabascosauz]

I agree. Significant price drops are already being seen on at least one new GPU: the 7900 XT. It is available for as low as $ 1055.5 here which works out to about 782 USD.

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Unfortunately, the brick and mortar stores basically missed the memo. Amazon.ca has always been generous with pricing the Navi31 cards but it's extremely unreliable and inconsistent so it's hard to use it to gauge pricing, and so far I haven't seen any AIB cards (read: actually capable coolers) follow suit.

If they fix the outstanding smorgasbord of multi-monitor issues, then $1055cad looks fine.

The 4080's price is a little wonky here; +60% price for +25% performance over 4070 Ti......suddenly the 4090 doesn't look so bad

 

[N/A]

4080 is not even the fully enabled AD103 so what is this other than a super, like the 2080 super. So I'm guessing mid summer drops. and Ti sooner.

 

[gffermari]

4080 is not even the fully enabled AD103 so what is this other than a super, like the 2080 super. So I'm guessing mid summer drops. and Ti sooner.

The full 103 die has 10240 SUs.
If it’s a super, it’s ok. If it’s a Ti, that’s a failure because it’s miles behind the already cut down 102 of the 4090.

Unless we get super and Ti this time…..lol

 

[GeneticWeapon]

There is too big of a performance gap between the 4080 > 4090 for there not to be a 4080Ti, but that card will come after the NV midrange skews. It won't be soon.

 

[A&P211]

There is too big of a performance gap between the 4080 > 4090 for there not to be a 4080Ti, but that card will come after the NV midrange skews. It won't be soon.

I do think there will be a 4080ti but I'm guessing its another 6+months away, the 4080 only came out in November.

 

[80251]

Since no price nvidia cuts are going to be forthcoming I guess I'll be waiting even longer. At least I have a few older games to keep me going on my 1080ti. I have an Asus pg279 so I'm kinda locked into Nvidia and Gsync. The xx80 series for over a thousand bones is just ludicrous.

 

[tussinman]

9 months? I can't wait that long...

They don't even have a release date for the 4070 and 4060 so I'd imagine a 4080 ti is still a long way off.

 

[GeneticWeapon]

The xx80 series for over a thousand bones is just ludicrous.

My last graphics card upgrade was 5 years ago. The card? a 2080ti, and it was $1200 dollars. So for me, dropping $1200 dollars again 5 years later for a 4080 was just not a big deal. People are insisting that graphics cards have just become expensive, but they've been expensive for a long time. Less than a year ago, my roommate paid $1100 dollars for a 6950 XT, so all of the nail-biting over the 4080's $1200 MSRP is just nonsensical to me.

 

[Hecate91]

Since no price nvidia cuts are going to be forthcoming I guess I'll be waiting even longer. At least I have a few older games to keep me going on my 1080ti. I have an Asus pg279 so I'm kinda locked into Nvidia and Gsync. The xx80 series for over a thousand bones is just ludicrous.

The 1080Ti is still a great GPU 6 years later, and anything with that level of price to performance isn't going to happen with the RTX 4000 series, since Jensen wants 60% margins on gaming cards.
And the people insisting the 4080 being $1200 isn't a big deal, just a reminder that the 3080 10GB launched at $699, and the 3080 12GB launched at $799. The 4080 being $1200 is just an upsell to get people to buy the RTX 4090. There isn't any room in the product stack for a 4080Ti unless Nvidia cuts prices on the 4080.

 

[Chrispy_]

Since no price nvidia cuts are going to be forthcoming I guess I'll be waiting even longer. At least I have a few older games to keep me going on my 1080ti. I have an Asus pg279 so I'm kinda locked into Nvidia and Gsync. The xx80 series for over a thousand bones is just ludicrous.

You know what's a really great match for an Asus PG279Q?

An RTX 3080 10GB for ~$400 on ebay.

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It's probably impulse buy territory for you, given that you can probably get $150 back for your 1080Ti, and you should be able to sell the 3080 on for at least a couple hundred bucks when you get itchy feet again.

 

[80251]

On current pricing, if you're willing to stump up the extra money for a 4080ti version (that would be $200 more than the 4080), why not just get a 4090? It makes ball-breakingly no financial sense to consider spending what would be around $1400, and ignore the top dog 4090, unless of course you want to wait (possibly forever) for the 4090ti.

Nope, logic says, if you have the cash for something more than a 4080, buy a 4090.

According to pcpartpicker.com the cheapest 4090 that would fit in my case is $1819.98, which would mean nearly $2k out the door. That's what used to be Titan territory and that's a little rich for my blood.

 

[Deleted member 211755]

Just for the record there is a 1060 Super.

Yeah I have it - it's called GTX 1660 hahaha

Hmmm 4080... too expensive for me.
Waiting on a 4070 to come out.

 

[the54thvoid]

According to pcpartpicker.com the cheapest 4090 that would fit in my case is $1819.98, which would mean nearly $2k out the door. That's what used to be Titan territory and that's a little rich for my blood.

Damn shame - right now on UK NV store the 4090 is on sale at base MSRP (£1599).

 

[Assimilator]

If they fix the outstanding smorgasbord of multi-monitor issues, then $1055cad looks fine.

I don't understand how AMD are able to f**k this up with EVERY. NEW. MICROARCHITECTURE. Go and read Wizz's day one reviews of RDNA, RDNA2 and RDNA3 cards and in every conclusion he calls out high multi-monitor power draw. AMD obviously knows it's a problem because they always eventually fix it with later drivers, but the fact that they apparently cant be a**ed to make it work pre-emptively just pisses me off to no end. It's such a simple thing, yet so easily demonstrates the gulf in difference between NVIDIA's and AMD's approaches to quality that it makes me incredibly reluctant to spend money on an AMD GPU. (Not to mention that with triple monitors and energy prices being what they are, an AMD GPU will objectively cost me more money in the long term.)

I'd really like to see an editorial from Wizz calling AMD out for this. Once is a mistake, twice is a problem, three times is a f**kup that should not be allowed to be repeated. Apparently AMD are too incompetent to fix this themselves, so maybe some negative publicity will work.

Oh,. and say what you want about Raja Koduri (and I've given him endless s**t), but at least multi-monitor power-consumption worked correctly on Vega. That's the lowest of bars and three generations of RDNA can't get over it.

 

[tabascosauz]

I don't understand how AMD are able to f**k this up with EVERY. NEW. MICROARCHITECTURE. Go and read Wizz's day one reviews of RDNA, RDNA2 and RDNA3 cards and in every conclusion he calls out high multi-monitor power draw. AMD obviously knows it's a problem because they always eventually fix it with later drivers, but the fact that they apparently cant be a**ed to make it work pre-emptively just pisses me off to no end. It's such a simple thing, yet so easily demonstrates the gulf in difference between NVIDIA's and AMD's approaches to quality that it makes me incredibly reluctant to spend money on an AMD GPU. (Not to mention that with triple monitors and energy prices being what they are, an AMD GPU will objectively cost me more money in the long term.)

I'd really like to see an editorial from Wizz calling AMD out for this. Once is a mistake, twice is a problem, three times is a f**kup that should not be allowed to be repeated. Apparently AMD are too incompetent to fix this themselves, so maybe some negative publicity will work.

Oh,. and say what you want about Raja Koduri (and I've given him endless s**t), but at least multi-monitor power-consumption worked correctly on Vega. That's the lowest of bars and three generations of RDNA can't get over it.

The idle power and the flickering/blackscreening are all part of the same larger problem regarding how AMD manages its GDDR6 and memory controllers. AMD has only ever experimented by adjusting VRAM clock. Until they address fundamental issues - why the competition "needs" less memory clock and bandwidth to drive the same monitors, or why GCN/RDNA intermediate memory states already exist but are inaccessible at idle - things will not change.

It looks like Vega and VII only dodged a bullet due to some characteristic of HBM or its controllers, so I wouldn't give them credit for that.

In any case, for multi monitor power 4070 Ti, 4080 and 4090 have been more of the same as 30 series (read: decent), so at least no problem in the context of the thread.

It's hard to test any of this comprehensively; the monitor combinations are endless. w1zz tests with 1 x 4K60 and 1 x 1440p60 panel - I get about half his idle power numbers with either 2 x 1440p165 or 1 x 1440p165 and 1440p60 monitors, idle at 9W on dual monitors and 5W on a single monitor. On 3070 Ti my power draw matched w1zz's pretty closely.

 

[Chrispy_]

Damn shame - right now on UK NV store the 4090 is on sale at base MSRP (£1599).

Stunt pricing, as an attempt to provide "evidence" for the MSRP. I'm guessing the official Nvidia UK store gets maybe 50 units a month because I've had email alerts turned on and never once managed to see it in stock at the MSRP

It's perpetually out of stock and of the top 5 retailers in the UK, only Amazon has the FE, for £2000 (likely an EU import anyway) and the only 4090 I can see at MSRP is this Palit Gamerock which is only at £1599 as part of a today-only promotional discount. MSRP for that model is £1719.

 

[the54thvoid]

Stunt pricing, as an attempt to provide "evidence" for the MSRP. I'm guessing the official Nvidia UK store gets maybe 50 units a month because I've had email alerts turned on and never once managed to see it in stock at the MSRP

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It's perpetually out of stock and of the top 5 retailers in the UK, only Amazon has the FE, for £2000 (likely an EU import anyway) and the only 4090 I can see at MSRP is this Palit Gamerock which is only at £1599 as part of a today-only promotional discount. MSRP for that model is £1719.

It was up when I posted, had been for an hour.