AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D

[THU31]

Would the core parking issue also happen with the Bitsum Highest Performance plan that comes with Process Lasso?

 

[Klemc]

I backflashed my B650E-E with 1406 BIOS update from today, CPU will come tomorrow, neat.

BIOS 1406
2023/04/07
"1. Update AGESA version to ComboAM5PI 1.0.0.6
2. Please make sure to update to BIOS 1406 for better compatibility with the Ryzen™ 7000X3D series processor.
3. TPM 2.0 security update

 

[W1zzard]

Would the core parking issue also happen with the Bitsum Highest Performance plan that comes with Process Lasso?

Process Lasso assigns affinities manually, that always works.

 

[HD64G]

Since I have seen some people here posting about the high idle power draw of Ryzen CPUs, let's see if it is as much as they think. Below there is a total system power draw in idle state (borrowed from guru3d.com since our @W1zzard doesn't have those metrics in his reviews).

So, who sees 3-7W difference between 2 cpus in idle state as important as double the power draw when pushed or in gaming?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Since I have seen some people here posting about the high idle power draw of Ryzen CPUs, let's see if it is as much as they think. Below there is a total system power draw in idle state (borrowed from guru3d.com since our @W1zzard doesn't have those metrics in his reviews).
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I pay like 35 cents a Kilowatt hour and couldn't care less about it.... Maybe if I paid a dollar that'd be different lol.

 

[Klemc]

New Agesa 1406 (bios number of today, Asus) ?

 

[THU31]

Since I have seen some people here posting about the high idle power draw of Ryzen CPUs, let's see if it is as much as they think. Below there is a total system power draw in idle state (borrowed from guru3d.com since our @W1zzard doesn't have those metrics in his reviews).

So, who sees 3-7W difference between 2 cpus in idle state as important as double the power draw when pushed or in gaming?

That's why I don't understand this video -

Many sites are reporting idle power usage at a similar level as Intel. And single-threaded power usage is very low.

You can also see that with APUs, which are tested without a graphics card.

But somehow for this guy Ryzen CPUs idle at over 50 W (CPU power only).

 

[trieste15]

Process Lasso assigns affinities manually, that always works.

And good news is that the latest version has CPU Sets, a "softer" version of CPU affinities.

 

[W1zzard]

And good news is that the latest version has CPU Sets, a "softer" version of CPU affinities.

TIL

CPU Sets - Win32 apps

CPU Sets provide APIs to declare application affinity in a 'soft' manner that is compatible with OS power management.

learn.microsoft.com

 

[Godrilla]

Microcenter still has dozens of the 7800X3D in stock in all stores. If they don't sell out within a week from launch then I will be the first to say that there will probably be a price cut within a few months. Maybe there is a cap how much people are willing to pay for a 8 cores cpu in 2023 dedicated for gaming even if it comes out on top at 1080p. This time gamers have so many choices besides just i9s, i7s and i5s there is the Ryzen 7 7700X and even anyone on the am4 still the 5800X3D which is selling as low as $299. Also the 7950X3D is pretty much restocked everywhere including Newegg. This is what competition looks like unlike the gpu market!

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Microcenter still has dozens of the 7800X3D in stock in all stores. If they don't sell out within a week from launch then I will be the first to say that there will probably be a price cut within a few months. Maybe there is a cap how much people are willing to pay for a 8 cores cpu in 2023 dedicated for gaming even if it comes out on top at 1080p. This time gamers have so many choices besides just i9s, i7s and i5s there is the Ryzen 7 7700X and even anyone on the am4 still the 5800X3D which is selling as low as $299. Also the 7950X3D is pretty much restocked everywhere including Newegg. This is what competition looks like unlike the gpu market!

Why would anyone going to Microcenter buy one with these deals.

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[dir_d]

Those are amazing deals

 

[Godrilla]

Why would anyone going to Microcenter buy one with these deals.

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Get it now! Find over 30,000 products at your local Micro Center, including the AMD Ryzen 7 7700X, MSI B650-P Pro WiFi, G.Skill Flare X5 Series 32GB DDR5-6000 Kit, Computer Build Bundle

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True plus this one is better AMD Ryzen 9 7900X, ASUS B650E-F ROG Strix Gaming WiFi, G.Skill Flare X5 Series 32GB DDR5-6000 Kit, Computer Build Combo$862.96 SAVE $262.97
$599.99 compared to the i7 because of the z690 motherboard and is not upgradable to next gen.
The socket upgradbility definitely has a hidden advantage. It's like even if the prices match at $599 you take away a few points for z690/790 being a dead socket as some have called it.
Today you can build a enthusiast level PC for around $2k even with any of the 3 above combos paired with the 7900 xtx or even high end paired with 6950XT selling al low as $599 with cpu Combo. Also flash drives are in a freefall like the 990 pro fell to $136 on Samsung's website for 2 terabyte nvme ssd ( code SSD990LCS). While the gpu market is shyte now mostly every other component came down in price to offset the crazy prices except for some last gen deals like 6950XT.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

True plus this one is better AMD Ryzen 9 7900X, ASUS B650E-F ROG Strix Gaming WiFi, G.Skill Flare X5 Series 32GB DDR5-6000 Kit, Computer Build Combo$862.96 SAVE $262.97
$599.99 compared to the i7 because of the z690 motherboard and is not upgradable to next gen.
The socket upgradbility definitely has a hidden advantage. It's like even if the prices match at $599 you take away a few points for z690/790 being a dead socket as some have called it.
Today you can build a enthusiast level PC for around $2k even with any of the 3 above combos paired with the 7900 xtx or even high end paired with 6950XT selling al low as $599 with cpu Combo. Also flash drives are in a freefall like the 990 pro fell to $136 on Samsung's website for 2 terabyte nvme ssd ( code SSD990LCS). While the gpu market is shyte now mostly every other component came down in price to offset the crazy prices except for some last gen deals like 6950XT.

Just saying whether someone prefers AMD or Intel there are bundles that cost barely more than just a 7800X3D at microcenter making it a pretty hard sell.

 

[Vario]

Personally, I'd have bought the 7800X3D but it just wasn't available in September when I was building, and waiting wasn't an option as my old machine was very unstable and I needed a working computer. Looks like a great product and remarkably efficient, as my 12900KS pulls mid-upper 200 watts alone during games.

 

[VeryGamer]

Thx for the review,
regarding the benchmark i am happy to see battlefield 5 still included to this day as it is a multiplayer game that requires great cpu power and scales without apparent limitations
however it scales a lot based on the map,position and clutter around so it would be beneficial to understand what kind of game setting was used. As an example the training ground gives a stable 30% fps improvement over any online map, the online Iwo Jima map gives around 20-40% improvement over online Operation Underground.
I understand that the point is to compare different cpus but with these processors that aim at the most competitive people, buying this is often the reason to then change gpu or monitor to a 360hz or even future 500hz and giving a real world scenario is useful. As an example in your review the 7950x3d scored a max 360fps in the title, however other benchmarks show online Iwo Jima giving more than 500fps.
I hope you can see what i'm trying to say.

 

[wheresmycar]

Personally, I'd have bought the 7800X3D but it just wasn't available in September when I was building, and waiting wasn't an option as my old machine was very unstable and I needed a working computer. Looks like a great product and remarkably efficient, as my 12900KS pulls mid-upper 200 watts alone during games.

no problem, you can still purchase one to fill the void and pass it on as a good gesture (not clapping, just jumping to catch something lol). What a wonderful story for the grandkids "i have lived in the age of emergence, i was there for the second coming of the X3D, we shook hands and said our farewells - an honour. the eternal blessing, it shall not be forgotten"

 

[Taraquin]

I find it interesting that 7800X3D outperforms the simulated 7800X3D. The disable ccx1 performed 1% above 7950X3D stock, prefer cache 2.2%, while 7800X3D did 5.7% higher. Maybe added latency? Other things?

 

[Klemc]

I find it interesting that 7800X3D outperforms the simulated 7800X3D. The disable ccx1 performed 1% above 7950X3D stock, prefer cache 2.2%, while 7800X3D did 5.7% higher. Maybe added latency? Other things?

79x0 is not designed to work like 7800, logic.

 

[Taraquin]

79x0 is not designed to work like 7800, logic.

Yeah sure, but I find it interesting that the true 1ccd outperform the simulated one by such a margin. I would expect worse efficiency, but not that much of a performance-difference.

 

[THU31]

Yeah sure, but I find it interesting that the true 1ccd outperform the simulated one by such a margin. I would expect worse efficiency, but not that much of a performance-difference.

I think you should look at the individual benchmark scores side by side from the simulated review and the actual review.

You will see that it must be an issue of some kind. Your stated average is not really relevant. In most cases, the 7950X3D with one CCD disabled produces a lower framerate than stock or when set to prefer cache. Lower than the 7800X3D as well.
But in those games where disabling the second CCD produces a higher framerate, the 7800X3D is also slower than simulated.

Maybe it's clock speeds? We don't actually know what the clock speeds are in individual games. This is what I hate about the whole "boost" thing. I never liked it. In the past every CPU had a fixed frequency and all comparisons were clear. But now you never know.
That's why I still set all my components to a fixed frequency. I don't trust automation, I don't trust schedulers, I always want to be certain what my hardware is doing.

If you set the 7950X3D with one CCD disabled and the 7800X3D to a fixed 4.8 GHz, in theory they should perform the same. I would actually like to see that comparison.

 

[Ikaruga]

Thank you for the review.

Tinkering with the 7800x3D since two days ago, and I really like how efficient it is and how easy is to keep it cool, but (after much consideration) I still like my 7900x3D more.
I know this is against the general consensus of the interwebs, and most of the reviewers would disagree, but it was not much more expensive than the 7800x3D (here, in the EU) and as a poweruser, this is my honest opinion, because it offers the best of both worlds, good gaming performance and a medium-high productivity performance. With the 7900x3D, I basically have two kinds of CPU in my system.
I just set "prefer frequency" in the BIOS (so the OS, Steam, drivers and everything runs on CCD1), and I make shortcuts to run my games on CCD0. The 7900x3D boosts higher on the CCD0 and also has more cache per core, and (at high resolutions,) 95 out of 100 games run just as fine with 6 cores as how they would with 8, so nothing is lost.

That being said, the 7800x3d is a damn fine gaming CPU, and no issues so far with the latest BIOS, except the PPM provisioning issue, what I also ran into.

The bottom line: Well done AMD, well done.

 

[gffermari]

I don't know for how long AMD can keep releasing gaming CPUs that they are so far behind in any other tasks.
I love my 5800X3D but I would sacrifice a bit of its gaming performance for 2/4, lets say, additional cores/threads.

It's probably the worst cpu of the lineup, the 7900X3D, on nearly every aspect but for me it would be the perfect cpu.
I think AMD should shift the 7900X3D level to x800 naming level.

 

[dir_d]

I don't know for how long AMD can keep releasing gaming CPUs that they are so far behind in any other tasks.
I love my 5800X3D but I would sacrifice a bit of its gaming performance for 2/4, lets say, additional cores/threads.

It's probably the worst cpu of the lineup, the 7900X3D, on nearly every aspect but for me it would be the perfect cpu.
I think AMD should shift the 7900X3D level to x800 naming level.

I don't really get what you are trying to say. The x3d processors are specific workload processors, they just happen to be good at gaming as well. The price between the x900x3d and the 7800x3d let's you look at your specific workload and then you can choose which processor to go after for the money.

 

[gffermari]

I mean that the competition provides a very good balance between gaming and MT performance at all levels.
While AMD provides a competitive combination only when you get a 7900X3D and a 7950X3D.
The 7800X3D may be the king in gaming but I don't think its successor can do the same and get favourable reviews.

We have accepted that the x600 level of Intel CPUs perform better or way better in apps than the x800 of AMDs.
There was a time where the Intels x600 were battling the AMDs x600...

It's good to be the gaming and efficiency King but you have to be close at more aspects than that. Not performing better but close enough.