Official NVIDIA RTX 4070 Performance Claims Leak Online

[Why_Me]

The only 4000 series card that has any “value”, and it’s difficult to say when then card is very expensive, is the 4090.

The 4080 downward offer nothing that wasn’t or is already available price to performance wise. I mean unless you want deep learning picture degradation super sampling 3, DLPDSS 3 for short.

RTX 3080 10GB MSRP: $700
RTX 3080 Ti 12GB MSRP: $1200
RTX 4070 Ti 12GB MSRP: $800
RTX 4070 12GB MSRP: $600

 

[oxrufiioxo]

The only 4000 series card that has any “value”, and it’s difficult to say when then card is very expensive, is the 4090.

The 4080 downward offer nothing that wasn’t or is already available price to performance wise. I mean unless you want deep learning picture degradation super sampling 3, DLPDSS 3 for short.

As much as I dislike the 4080 it still offers 30% more performance than the 1500 usd 3090 at 300 usd discount it's also much better in comparison to the 3080ti/3080 12GB when they launched. It really only looks bad vs the launch price of the 3080 10G which was make believe for the majority of its life but even then its much better than the 2080ti vs the 1080ti everyone wants to compare it to generation wise. I still wouldn't buy it over a 4090 but for anyone who can't come up with an extra 400 usd or lives in a country where the price difference is much higher it's fine not good not bad.

I dislike the 4070ti as well but at least it generally offers 3090ti performance at 1440p it kinda sucks for 4k making it not something I would buy but in the current market vs a new 3080 it's still the much better buy now if you like the similarly stupidly priced 7900XT more good for you that's really the only alternative for a new gpu.

Anyone who hasn't used DLSS3 in person opinion really doesn't matter it's a pretty neat technology and especially for it being first generation technology is really impressive would I buy a card for it hell no but at least in CP2077 and Witcher 3 NG it's pretty awesome. It does suck in Spiderman though but less so than DLSS1 did when it came out and way better than FSR1 as well. I really wish Nvidia could have supported it in 30 series cards but that still wouldn't have made any different to me I still would have grabbed a 4090 anyway just for the general performance increase over my overpriced 3080ti

Again people love to complain and I've done my fair share about all these cards but this isn't anything new unless the 4090 was 500 usd people would still cry life goes on though. I can hear it now "in my day a GTX 580 was 499, I'm not spending a dime over that" lmao.

RTX 3080 10GB MSRP: $700
RTX 3080 Ti 12GG MSRP: $1200
RTX 4070 Ti 12GB MSRP: $800
RTX 4070 12GB MSRP: $600

At least try to come up with a good argument other than power consumption lmao you post these in every article over and over nobody cares. Everyone here has seen the reviews you don't need to be a tech parrot just repeating themselves.

 

[Why_Me]

At least try to come up with a good argument other than power consumption lmao you post these in every article over and over nobody cares. Everyone here has seen the reviews you don't need to be a tech parrot just repeating themselves.

Try to come up with a good argument eh. Please spare me. I've read enough post on the net including yours bashing these cards to last me a lifetime. Those benchmarks I posted along with the MSRP's speak for themselves.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Try to come up with a good argument eh. Please spare me. I've read enough post on the net including yours bashing these cards to last me a lifetime. Those benchmarks I posted speak for themselves.

and the 4070ti is still kinda crap for 800 usd good product trash price it being efficient changes nothing again are you ever going to buy a card or just drink the green coolaid and post the same two bar graphs over and over. It's still not impossible to make an argument for it but posting the same crap over and over isn't the way.

4070 might be a little better is the hope.

 

[Why_Me]

and the 4070ti is still kinda crap for 800 usd good product trash price it being efficient changes nothing again are you ever going to buy a card or just drink the green coolaid and post the same two bar graphs over and over. It's still not impossible to make an argument for it but posting the same crap over and over isn't the way.

4070 might be a little better is the hope.

The 4070 Ti is a bargain compared to the 3080's and yes the 4070 cards are meant for gaming at 1440P.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

The 4070 Ti is a bargain compared to the 3080's and yes the 4070 cards are meant for gaming at 1440P.

Buy one then and post some benchmarks put some actual backbone to your boasting about the meh 4070ti.

 

[R0H1T]

The initial spike in pricing was due to Covid, the crypto wave hit probably 6 months later. It was kinda like the perfect storm for scalpers & yes the GPU makers as well, otherwise I'd say if it weren't for Covid the prices would have crashed a lot sooner. But that's in hindsight ~ as for ADA the issue again is that when Nvidia sets a new floor for their cards, much like Intel in the past, the prices don't really go down because of their FE shens. They're fleecing their customers & their partners all the same time. So the only way this could be potentially solved is through demand destruction & that's not happening because the high end is generally supported by users who upgrade regularly.

Now ADA is priced horrendously/astronomically in a historically declining PC market!

RTX 3080 10GB MSRP: $700
RTX 3080 Ti 12GG MSRP: $1200
RTX 4070 Ti 12GB MSRP: $800
RTX 4070 12GB MSRP: $600

Yeah let's try that again ~



3080 12GB is basically 3080Ti & cost $800 USD, what's the price of 4080 right now?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

3080 12GB is basically 3080Ti & cost $800 USD, what's the price of 4080 right now?

But it did cost 1200+ when it launched and sat at that price for quite a while after. Now if you want to compare the 4080s price in two years vs this card now sure it's apples to apples at that point but nobody should be buying a 3080 12GB over a 4070ti as it is and that card is even worse in my book than the 4080.

From the initial review

 

[Hecate91]

I'd be willing to bet even for a lot of 3070 owners this card doesn't look too bad at least they will be able to turn up settings on it in the latest games lol, The downside for them is they likely paid 300-500usd more vs this cards MSRP that it will likely actually hit.

Don't get me wrong I don't like this card the 4070ti or even the 4080 but that has nothing to do with Ampere of the 3 this one has the least crap pricing.

I paid way too much for a 3070Ti about a year and a half ago, if Nvidia had put 16GB VRAM on the 3070Ti, then the card wouldn't be VRAM limited, but of course Nvidia wants people to replace their card every 2 years. And considering that EVGA is out of the market I don't see much of a reason to go with Nvidia anymore, AMD seems like a good option at least for anyone that just wants to play games and not be limited by VRAM, as frame drops are really annoying to me.
IMO, Nvidia has been skimping out on VRAM on lower tier cards for way too long, and this 4070 being the least crap doesn't really mean much when it really should have been the 4060 or 4060Ti.

 

[Dave65]

will it be a 16GB card?

All you need is 8GB, believe me, really, believe me

 

[Why_Me]

The initial spike in pricing was due to Covid, the crypto wave hit probably 6 months later. It was kinda like a perfect storm for scalpers & yes the GPU makers as well, otherwise I'd say if it weren't for Covid the prices would have crashed a lot sooner. But that's in hindsight ~ as for ADA the issue again is that when Nvidia set's a new floor for their cards, much like Intel in the past, the prices don't really go down because of their FE shens. They're fleecing their customers & their partners all the same time. So the only way this could be potentially solved is through demand destruction & that's not happening because the high end is generally supported by users who upgrade regularly.

Now ADA is priced horrendously/astronomically in a historically declining PC market!

Yeah let's try that again ~

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3080 12GB is basically 3080Ti & cost $800 USD, what's the price of 4080 right now?

The 4070 Ti beats the 3080 cards like a rented mule at 1440 and does it for less while consuming less power.

https://pcpartpicker.com/search/?q=RTX+4080

RTX 4080 16GB $1159.99

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Nvidia has been skimping out on VRAM on lower tier cards for way too long, and this 4070 being the least crap doesn't really mean much when it really should have been the 4060 or 4060Ti.

That's by design though and anyone buying Nvidia shouldn't be upset about it they do that on purpose so that in two years when the 5070 has 16GB some people will upgrade again.

They've been doing this since the 600 series and probably prior to that nothing new.

 

[R0H1T]

But it did cost 1200+ when it launched and sat at that price for quite a while after. Now if you want to compare the 4080s price in two years vs this card now sure it's apples to apples at that point but nobody should be buying a 3080 12GB over a 4070ti as it is and that card is even worse in my book than the 4080.

From the initial review

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The counterpoint to that is you shouldn't buy anything right around the release because that's when it's usually at its most expensive. At least that's what I do, in that I would agree that the comparison isn't particularly fair but again as GN disclosed through EVGA ~ NVidia doesn't leave much room for their AIB partners to lower the price through their extortion scheme.

So in reality prices are fixed for the foreseeable future unless the GPU sales really tank hard & at that point Nvidia probably diverts these dies to enterprise any way!

 

[Why_Me]

Buy one then and post some benchmarks put some actual backbone to your boasting about the meh 4070ti.

Are you saying on here that W1zzards reviews and benchmarks aren't to be taken seriously?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

The counterpoint to that is you shouldn't buy anything right around the release because that's when it's usually at its most expensive. At least that's what I do, in that I would agree that the comparison isn't particularly fair but again as GN disclosed through EVGA as NVidia doesn't leave much room for their AIB partners to lower the price through their extortion scheme.

You are making some really good points don't get me wrong and honestly all the advice you are giving is super sound. In the here and now though anyone who needs a new gpu doesn't really have much of a choice other than taking a chance on the used market or not buying at all. Waiting 6-8 months is cool and all but that's half a year or more you could be enjoying the card and there is no guarantee pricing will be better.... The only people who got really shafted were 3090ti owners who paid 2000 usd for it and then just half a year later two superior products released for less money but that is the way of the tech world.

Nvidia is pretty crappy as a company no doubt especially with how they seem to treat their partners but with AMD not doing much to make them appealing what choice top gamers have if they want the latest tech than to buy an Nvidia gpu with likely inadequate vram no less.... Not buy anything I guess.

Are you saying on here that W1zzards reviews and benchmarks aren't to be taken seriously?

Unlike you I actually support his content at the same time I ain't so drunk on the green coolaid that I boast with the same two graphs in every article that the 4070ti isn't meh af.

 

[Why_Me]

Unlike you I actually support his content at the same time I ain't so drunk on the green coolaid that I boast with the same two graphs in every article that the 4070ti isn't meh af.

Cut the crap. You asked me to post my benchmarks with the 4070 Ti instead of W1zzards which can only mean you doubt Wizzard's reviews.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Cut the crap. You asked me to post my benchmarks with the 4070 Ti instead of W1zzards which can only mean you doubt Wizzard's reviews.

Actually support the product you continuously boast about is what I asked.... Instead of just throwing a bunch of empty benchmarks on a forum for something you don't even own..... Basically if you like it so much buy it and actually prove that it's a product worth owning...; I think people would take you more serious.

Maybe apply for NVidia's marketing department you'd fit right in

 

[Why_Me]

Actually support the product you continuously boast about is what I asked.... Instead of just throwing a bunch of empty benchmarks on a forum for something you don't even own..... Basically if you like it so much buy it and actually prove that it's a product worth owning...; I think people would take you more serious.

Maybe apply for NVidia's marketing department you'd fit right in

Ya it was that one.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Ya it was that one.

Everyone can see the charts for themselves you don't need to post it in every article if you like it so much buy it and prove that it's a good enough product to own.... I own a 40 series card you still don't see me posting graphs in every article about it lmao.......

I know exactly how the 4070ti performs and it's meh for 800+ usd mostly due to the 12GB of vram which is a joke for a card that cost that much. Still if you like it good for you it's ok to like bad things some of my favorite movies are not considered very good.

But actually come up with something useful to why it's good posting the same two graphs is not it. Also this is an article about the likely better 4070 at least from a cost perspective will you actually buy one of those or just post the same two graphs about it as well....

 

[Why_Me]

Everyone can see the charts for themselves you don't need to post it in every article if you like it so much buy it and prove that it's a good enough product to own.... I own a 40 series card you still don't see me posting graphs in every article about it lmao.......

I know exactly how the 4070ti performs and it's meh for 800+ usd mostly due to the 12GB of vram which is a joke for a card that cost that much. Still if you like it good for you it's ok to like bad things some of my favorite movies are not considered very good.

But actually come up with something useful to why it's good posting the same two graphs is not it. Also this is an article about the likely better 4070 at least from a cost perspective will you actually buy one of those or just post the same two graphs about it as well....

W1zzards benchmarks don't fit your narrative so you asked me to post mine instead.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

W1zzards benchmarks don't fit your narrative so you asked me to post mine instead.

IF you feel that way good for you maybe you'll actually support something you boast so much about at some point....... Not gonna hold my breath though......

 

[rv8000]

RTX 3080 10GB MSRP: $700
RTX 3080 Ti 12GG MSRP: $1200
RTX 4070 Ti 12GB MSRP: $800
RTX 4070 12GB MSRP: $600

You’re conveniently ignoring most 3000 series cards has/had been offered at massive discounted prices while available alongside the 4080/4070ti for months; at this point stock looks to be dried up. People had plenty of time to purchase and make a value comparison at those points.

Almost every AIB model except a handful are also around the $900 mark for the 4070ti, and will be the same case for the 4070. So you get 3080 and 3080ti performance for almost the same exact prices and or performance per dollar.

I also specifically said price to performance, and spoke of nothing about msrp, as that is pretty irrelevant in most cases. Nvidia did nothing to move that needle. They shifted cards down yet another tier. Inflation, cost of materials yada yada, a midrange card (60/70 series), could be had anywhere from $250-400 just a few years ago. Now we get a 4060/4070 at 1.5-2 the cost, no value increase whatsoever, and people come here and defend nvidia on the matter?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Almost every AIB model except a handful are also around the $900 mark for the 4070ti, and will be the same case for the 4070. So you get 3080 and 3080ti performance for almost the same exact prices and or performance per dollar.

I would agree if the 4070 didn't have an FE model that in a normal market usually keeps pricing somewhat in check. At the very least I think we will see more models closer to MSRP than we do with cards that don't have an FE model

Again I'm not saying this card even at 600 is any good but I'm guessing that soon after launch it won't be super hard to get a decent model near MSRP.

At the end of the day if people don't like them they shouldn't buy them at the same time it is mildly annoying to see people drink that green coolaid so hard that they are defending a piece of silicon they don't even own.

One of the people on this forum who I regard extremely highly owns a 4070ti but they at least tried a 7900XT first... I still don't see them boasting about it in every thread posting the same two graphs though.
I also know multiple people who bought a 4070ti and returned it immediately due to how underwhelming it is buying a 4080 instead lol.

 

[rv8000]

I would agree if the 4070 didn't have an FE model that in a normal market usually keeps pricing somewhat in check. At the very least I think we will see more models closer to MSRP than we do with cards that don't have an FE model

Again I'm not saying this card even at 600 is any good but I'm guessing that soon after launch it won't be super hard to get a decent model near MSRP.

At the end of the day if people don't like them they shouldn't buy them at the same time it is mildly annoying to see people drink that green coolaid so hard that they are defending a piece of silicon they don't even own.

One of the people on this forum who I regard extremely highly owns a 4070ti but they at least tried a 7900XT first... I still don't see them boasting about it in every thread posting the same two graphs though.
I also know multiple people who bought a 4070ti and returned it immediately due to how underwhelming it is buying a 4080 instead lol.

I just don’t get the ravenous desire that people have to defend Nvidia, especially after the past 3 years.

I briefly forgot how irrelevant the 4070ti is when the 7900 XTX exists.

Everything this generation of cards is about how to best bend the consumer over, no matter who you’re buying from.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I just don’t get the ravenous desire that people have to defend Nvidia, especially after the past 3 years.

I briefly forgot how irrelevant the 4070ti is when the 7900 XTX exists.

Everything this generation of cards is about how to best bend the consumer over, no matter who you’re buying from.

I might get downvoted for this but they should probably include some lube in the boxes for sure.......

The problem with the 7900XT/7900XTX is AMD is not at a point where for most gamers they are very appealing even though they are both slightly better overall than the 4070ti given the pricing. I've never personally had any major issues with amd drivers but I know many who have to the point that AMD gpu's don't even exist anymore to them.

I own plenty of AMD and Nvidia products I still will bash the crap out of stuff they release that isn't very good due to pricing. At the same time I won't blindly do it either even if it's not a good one you can still make a case for all the current gen gpus if you try hard enough...

lets be real though all these products are pretty good from the 4070ti to the 4090 and both the AMD offerings the issue is their price this isn't a RX 6500 scenario that is just a bad product regardless of price but even then people who own them defend it and enjoy it so my opinion really doesn't matter all that much to begin with at least for the people actually buying these products and not just blindly drinking the koolaid from either of these companies.