AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D

[Dragam1337]

Well - formally - according to what that "driver" targets - it has few other sets of settings targeting zen4 desktops, for example one of those is:

        <Target Id="ProcessorTypeAmdNonMobileOrSlateRPL">
          <TargetState>
            <Condition Name="ProcessorVendor" Value="pattern:(^AuthenticAMD$)" />
            <Condition Name="ProcessorType" Value="pattern:(.*Family 25 Model (96|97).*)" />
            <Condition Name="PowerPlatformRole" Value="pattern:[^(2|8)]" />
          </TargetState>
        </Target>

This one provisions MinPerformance and PerfEnergyPreference and in theory should install on anything matching family/model (including but not limited to: 7900/7950 - 3d and not 3d variants, 7800x3d and 7700x).

Looking at other stuff I see there is something that also matched my 3900x as well in one of the targets, but I don't remember even being offered to install that package.

As for core parking, the conditions responsible for it are:

        <Target Id="ProcessorTypeAmdNonMobileOrSlateRPLX2CCD">
          <TargetState>
            <Condition Name="ProcessorVendor" Value="pattern:(^AuthenticAMD$)" />
            <Condition Name="ProcessorType" Value="pattern:(.*Family 25 Model (96|97).*)" />
            <Condition Name="PowerPlatformRole" Value="pattern:[^(2|8)]" />
            <Condition Name="ProcessorName" Value="pattern:(^AMD Ryzen 9 .*X3D.*)" />
          </TargetState>
        </Target>

This one provisions dreaded core parking (CPMinCores 50%, CPConcurrency 67%) for gamemode/sustained profiles underneath balanced scheme and two of its overlays. It should NOT add those if it's not 7900x3d or 7950x3d (ProcessorName constraint above).

So in other words, im not really missing out by not having it installed.

Unless i start seeing stability issues, i think i will just leave it uninstalled.

 

[Klemc]

Is there a missing driver appearing as an unkbown hardware in Device Manager ?.. it did for me and i installed it aferwards.

 

[Dragam1337]

Is there a missing driver appearing as an unkbown hardware in Device Manager ?.. it did for me and i installed it aferwards.

Yes - just disabled it and didn't install driver.

 

[Klemc]

Yes - just disabled it and didn't install driver.

OKay, so if i find this device (now has driver installed), i can disable it and it will be same as if i didn't install driver, thanks.

 

[Dragam1337]

OKay, so if i find this device (now has driver installed), i can disable it and it will be same as if i didn't install driver, thanks.

No, cause installing the driver will make changes to your setup, even if you disable it afterwards.

 

[TTPPUU]

I am having exactly this issue... new amd platform (no prior amd cpu) and installed the PPM driver (didn't know that i wasn't supposed to) and am having massive issues due to it.

Half the threads not loading properly, which they should in cyberpunk. Tried all the tips and tricks i can find on how to solve it, but looks like i will have to reinstall windows... again -_-

@W1zzard When you did a fresh windows install for the 7800x3d, did you install the PPM driver ?

which AMD chipset driver version did you use when you had the issue with 7800X3D ?

The latest one on the AMD site is still only 5.02.19.2221 (from 02/28), but there is already a later version out there (from 03/31), released by Asus

 

[Dragam1337]

which AMD chipset driver version did you use when you had the issue with 7800X3D ?

The latest one on the AMD site is still only 5.02.19.2221 (from 02/28), but there is already a later version out there (from 03/31), released by Asus

Atm im using the one from Asus website, but both give the same issue. I thought i had solved it, but sadly not.

See this thread

7800x3d thread usage issue

Sorta specific to my system, as other people have reported having the same issue in this thread :) But yeah, im still leaning towards undercooked win10 drivers. Interesting that it spreads the load out so much - i would have thought it would have wanted to keep the load on a single ccx. But...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[Klemc]

I loaded X3D profile from BIOS, IDK if it's helping, btw i don't have problems anyway (my PC's offline and it perhaps helps)...
... but i had to reinstall Zadig libusbK driver for Dolphin BT on both W10-11 because MS often missed with that stuff

//

Now, time to install Asus AI Suite 3 bc O/C is not my cup of tea...
... idk if i will need to reenable "Publish HII Resources" from BIOS, since answer on ROG forum's been :

Enables you to access the BIOS settings (nvram) names, values, and defualts through the OS with a program like scewin for instance.

 

[Gica]

Be very careful with the overclocking and voltages of these processors. There have been reports of destroyed X3D processors. If they are destroyed so easily, it is a sign that they are pushed to the limit by AMD and launched prematurely on the market. The 3D cache stack does not have a "protective net".

 

[Klemc]

Be very careful with the overclocking and voltages of these processors. There have been reports of destroyed X3D processors. If they are destroyed so easily, it is a sign that they are pushed to the limit by AMD and launched prematurely on the market. The 3D cache stack does not have a "protective net".

Yes, i will wait BIOS to update and be known working well.

 

[I_Want_Answers]

Be very careful with the overclocking and voltages of these processors. There have been reports of destroyed X3D processors. If they are destroyed so easily, it is a sign that they are pushed to the limit by AMD and launched prematurely on the market. The 3D cache stack does not have a "protective net".

I'll profess my ignorance and ask - what is even the point of overclocking a chip like this?

I mean, if you're capped at 5050MHz anyway, what do those 200-ish or however many MHz you get out of the procedure get you? A frame in one out of 20 games? I don't want to sound combative, but other than the ability to say you have the skill to do it, I don't see any practical benefit to overclocking this chip.

 

[Klemc]

I'll profess my ignorance and ask - what is even the point of overclocking a chip like this?

I mean, if you're capped at 5050MHz anyway, what do those 200-ish or however many MHz you get out of the procedure get you? A frame in one out of 20 games? I don't want to sound combative, but other than the ability to say you have the skill to do it, I don't see any practical benefit to overclocking this chip.

It's about XMP DOCP only... too.

 

[THU31]

I'll profess my ignorance and ask - what is even the point of overclocking a chip like this?

I mean, if you're capped at 5050MHz anyway, what do those 200-ish or however many MHz you get out of the procedure get you? A frame in one out of 20 games? I don't want to sound combative, but other than the ability to say you have the skill to do it, I don't see any practical benefit to overclocking this chip.

I think many people love overclocking and they miss being able to do it, since every chip these days is factory overclocked and pushed to the limits. Overclocking at home is effectively dead, it only exists in the extreme space these days.

Getting your Celeron from 300 to 450 MHz, your Duron from 1400 to 2100 MHz, your C2D E6300 from 1.87 to 3 GHz, your i5-750 from 2.66 to 3.6 GHz or your 2500K from 3.4 to 4.5 GHz.
Or your Radeon 9550 from 250/400 to 400/500 MHz. THAT was overclocking. It doesn't exist anymore in the home space.

For me overclocking was always about getting much more performance for free. All components also used very little power compared to modern stuff. These days overclocking throws efficiency completely out the window, and it's usually very bad at stock anyway. That's why undervolting is so much better than overclocking now.

 

[harm9963]

My 4090 and 5950X ,both stock and play at 4K max , maybe 2 to 3 years before I update my CPU .

 

[Godrilla]

FYI the 7800X3D fell to $419.99 at microcenter
449.99 Save $30.00
$419.99

 

[Dragam1337]

I think many people love overclocking and they miss being able to do it, since every chip these days is factory overclocked and pushed to the limits. Overclocking at home is effectively dead, it only exists in the extreme space these days.

Getting your Celeron from 300 to 450 MHz, your Duron from 1400 to 2100 MHz, your C2D E6300 from 1.87 to 3 GHz, your i5-750 from 2.66 to 3.6 GHz or your 2500K from 3.4 to 4.5 GHz.
Or your Radeon 9550 from 250/400 to 400/500 MHz. THAT was overclocking. It doesn't exist anymore in the home space.

For me overclocking was always about getting much more performance for free. All components also used very little power compared to modern stuff. These days overclocking throws efficiency completely out the window, and it's usually very bad at stock anyway. That's why undervolting is so much better than overclocking now.

I on the other hand don't miss having to fiddle for hours on end to get the most out of my gear - now it's a small UV on both gpu and cpu, and that's it. You're getting the optimum performance and efficiency.

I ended up having to fiddle for hours on end anyways, but that's due to amd and asus incompetence with am5...

 

[Blacksands]

Given all the recent issues with AMD/ASUS, would you guys still recommend buying a 7800X3D over say a comparable Intel chip?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Given all the recent issues with AMD/ASUS, would you guys still recommend buying a 7800X3D over say a comparable Intel chip?

I would I just wouldn't recommend an asus or gigabyte board.

 

[vacsati]

Given all the recent issues with AMD/ASUS, would you guys still recommend buying a 7800X3D over say a comparable Intel chip?

Definitely not, the 7000serie is obviously flawed generation, the Intel is better, more stable option. Their pciex5 controller also more modern, not some first genewration lottery like the AMD's.

 

[ValenOne]

Definitely not, the 7000serie is obviously flawed generation, the Intel is better, more stable option. Their pciex5 controller also more modern, not some first genewration lottery like the AMD's.

That's a load of BS. LGA1700 is missing discrete M2 PCIe 5.0 slots.

For TUF X670 Plus WiFi with older BIOS 0821 which is before Ryzen X3D BIOS updates.

AM5 SoC voltage remained below 1.3 voltage.


Using the latest BIOS 1616

AM5 SoC voltage remained below 1.3 voltage.

I skipped BIOS releases between 0812 and 1414 (with AM5 SoC 1.3 voltage limit).

Given all the recent issues with AMD/ASUS, would you guys still recommend buying a 7800X3D over say a comparable Intel chip?

AM5 SoC voltage has been capped at 1.3V

Given all the recent issues with AMD/ASUS, would you guys still recommend buying a 7800X3D over say a comparable Intel chip?

The only issue I have with the 7900X3D is, if you want to keep it for a few years, is what happens if you play games that use more than 6 cores, there's a risk there of a significant performance drop. Otherwise, due to its mixed reviews, I think it will be the easiest to find at a good price in the future...

EDIT: And, BTW, I think there's the same potential problem with Intel's 13600. FWIW as a gamer, the 7800x3D is a much better option for long-term peace of mind.

Game consoles reserve at least 1 CPU thread for the OS. PS5 reserves 1.5 Zen 2 CPU for OS, hence leaving 6.5 CPU cores for games.

The lesson for GPU VRAM and CPU is to follow the PS5 and XSX game consoles as baseline gaming PC specs.

Atm im using the one from Asus website, but both give the same issue. I thought i had solved it, but sadly not.

See this thread

7800x3d thread usage issue

Sorta specific to my system, as other people have reported having the same issue in this thread :) But yeah, im still leaning towards undercooked win10 drivers. Interesting that it spreads the load out so much - i would have thought it would have wanted to keep the load on a single ccx. But...

www.techpowerup.com

Have you installed Windows 11?

That's what the 7900 is for. Even the 7900X is cheaper currently. It sacrifices some gaming performance in favor of productivity.

Can you tell me what tasks you're performing where that productivity performance is relevant? Do you have a deadline for those tasks, or does it affect your availability of resources and time for other tasks like gaming? Do you actually benefit from your productivity tasks completing 50% faster?

People always mention productivity when it comes to benchmarks, but they never actually say how that affects them. Personally I just don't see how productivity performance is relevant in a home environment. I do some video editing and encoding, and I couldn't care less if it takes 8 hours or 6 hours, I can do that in the background while doing basically anything but gaming (or even during that, if the game isn't demanding).

The 7800X3D is supposed to offer the highest gaming performance. That's the only thing that matters. And 99% of gamers don't need that CPU. I certainly don't, playing at 4K60. But it does exactly what it's meant to be doing.

Some people bought the 13900K just for gaming. 16 E-cores which will never ever do anything, but they still bought it because it's the fastest Intel processor. That's who the 7800X3D is for, just for gamers who want the absolute best without wasting money on useless transistors.

X3D is for users who don't want to tinker with low-latency memory settings.

 

[cabbagePatch]

@W1zzard , regarding the emulation chart, what GPU was paired with these emulation fps scores?

 

[W1zzard]

@W1zzard , regarding the emulation chart, what GPU was paired with these emulation fps scores?

RTX 4090

 

[StratCW]

@W1zzard
Hey, sorry if this is a dumb question and I might just be me missing something obvious.
On the "Test Setup" page, under "Software" it states: "VBS enabled (Windows 11 default)".
Does this mean that Core Isolation and Memory Integrity are enabled for these benchmarks?

 

[TheThonk]

@W1zzard
Hello! Pardon for disturbing you, I am sure this question has come across you many times but
Could I ask what parameters you use when measuring the CPU temperatures and have you re-tested some CPUs?
Other than what has been stated such as temps are denoted via delta T and some CPUs are going over the limit of their TDP because ambient temp was below 25c.

But some CPU such as the R5 7600 was of a much higher temp report than its original review.
For reference. The R5 7600 review showcased running 71c at stock with the u14s on blender, while in the 7800x3d review, the R5 7600 was reporting 98c. Was there a change of formatting?

 

[W1zzard]

@W1zzard
Hey, sorry if this is a dumb question and I might just be me missing something obvious.
On the "Test Setup" page, under "Software" it states: "VBS enabled (Windows 11 default)".
Does this mean that Core Isolation and Memory Integrity are enabled for these benchmarks?

That's correct. Every new Windows 11 installation has Core Isolation and Memory Integrity enabled by default. This is the new normal, turning it off is manual tweaking, at least in my opinion. Other reviewers and some vendors turn these off, which is great, as it gives us a second data point

But some CPU such as the R5 7600 was of a much higher temp report than its original review.

You are absolutely right. I checked my logs (March 2023 vs late 2022 Test System) and see the temperature difference. Not sure why this is changed