Would you still recommend Ryzen 7000 series build today?

[Devon68]

So last month I got the itch to build my new Pc, since the one I have was built in 2012. I planed to build an AM4 system since I figured AM5 is probably too expensive with the motherboard prices being that high.
I will still keep my old monitor and game at 1080p for now. I know the prices seems kind of high, but that is still effects of the inflation do to the war and import taxes.

This was my initial build idea. (ignore the price of the case since I'm sure it's not that much)
99$ Motherboard: ASUS TUF GAMING B550M-E
170$ Processor: AMD Ryzen 7 5700X 3.40GHz AM4 BOX
410$ GPU: Msi Mech 2X RX 6700 XT 12GB OC
78$ Memory: 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4/3600 CORSAIR Vengeance LPX Black
77$ Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S
112$ PSU: CORSAIR RM Series RM750 750W
270$ Case: Corsair 5000D Airflow Black
139$ SSD: WD 1Tb Sn850X With Heatsink M.2
Total around : 1350$

But after watching many reviews I thought about futureproofing the system, so I changed it up a bit
170$ Motherboard: ASUS TUF gaming B550-PRO
300$ Processor: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D 3.80GHz AM4 BOX
660$ GPU: ASUS TUF-RX6800XT-O16G-GAMING Radeon RX 6800 XT 16GB OEM
115$ Memory: CORSAIR 32GB Vengeance RGB Pro SL DDR4 3600MHz CL18 KIT CMH32GX4M2Z3600C18
115$ Cooler: Noctua Nh-D15 Se-Am4
190$ PSU: CORSAIR SHIFT RM850x 850W
270$ Case: Corsair 5000D Airflow Black
139$ SSD: WD 1Tb Sn850X With Heatsink M.2
Total around : 1960$

After I got that number I was like yo for that I could afford a new AM5 system so I got back into researching.
Watched a lot of reviews and made this system in hopes that it will last longer than the AM4 counterpart and provide future upgradability.

330$ Motherboard: ASUS ROG STRIX B650E-E Gaming Wifi
325$ Processor: AMD Ryzen 7 7700X 4.50GHz AM5 BOX
660$ GPU: ASUS TUF-RX6800XT-O16G-GAMING Radeon RX 6800 XT 16GB OEM
145$ Memory: G.Skill 32GB RipJaws S5 DDR5 6000Mhz CL32 kit F5-6000j3238F1
115$ Cooler: Noctua Nh-D15 Se-Am4
190$ PSU: CORSAIR SHIFT RM850x 850W
270$ Case: Corsair 5000D Airflow Black
139$ SSD: WD 1Tb Sn850X With Heatsink M.2
Total around: 2170$

At first I was kind of put off the AM5 build because the memory training could make the system boot take longer and thus slower. (I did not like that)
A few days ago the ryzen 7000 series controversy happened regarding the high voltages and cpu's and motherboards getting destroyed got me spooked again from the AM5 platform.
The thing is. I would get the parts from a guy getting them abroad so the only way to warranty anything it would be to contact him or through the serial numbers.
Should I go for the tried and tested AM4 system or would you still recommend a Ryzen 7000 series build today?

PS...Sorry for the long rant. I got so much things floating around in my head I feel overwhelmed and unsure what to do.

 

[kapone32]

After looking at your build. I would still go with AM5. You are not using Water cooling or an AIO so a case like the 4000D or if you want large support PHanteks P360A would be a better fit and cheaper. I would also change the MB to the MSI X670 Pro for less money but better flexibility.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I would lean AM5 although your builds are kinda all over the place as far as the other components. At the very least I would get a decent Bdie kit if going with AM4 it isn't very expensive these days. Also the Am4 builds have a tuf board vs in the AM5 setup you are going with something similar to a Crosshair 8 hero.

You can definitely more cost optimize that AM5 build. It also shouldn't be hard to get a 6950XT instead of that 6800XT for around the same $$$

Asus seems to be lazy about voltages I have seen this first hand on my intel boards from them so if you are worried about the cpu dying go with a different vendor.

 

[dgianstefani]

For $2k+ you want bare minimum 5800X3D/7800X3D.

 

[Voltaj .45 ACP]

if you can use system 10 years then forget about socket flexibility and go for budget and consider nvidia 12gb 4070 imo. i'm using D15 with my 11700k system and i think it's better than my h150i AIO. 5700x 5800x3d and x3d of course. no need x570 and 32gb 3600 is good choice no need more mhz and stay away that expo thing it's nonsense. ddr5 is not ready yet and maybe never will if we keep going like that. in short: grab something Dorothy cos Kansas going bye-bye. i hope mods don't find this comments offensive and threat me like in 2020. btw how you're been since then cos doesn't looks so good to me, sir.

 

[eidairaman1]

DDR5 is here, DDR4 is being phased out. AM5

 

[Devon68]

I would also change the MB to the MSI X670 Pro for less money but better flexibility.

Will look into it. While researching the AM4 system I was considering the MSI B550-Pro so I'm probably going to like this one as well.

It also shouldn't be hard to get a 6950XT instead of that 6800XT for around the same $$$

I just hope I can find a deal on them. Currently as it stands they start from 620$ and up.

For $2k+ you want bare minimum 5800X3D/7800X3D.

True. As I wrote the 5800x3D is 300$. But if the 7800x3d costs 450$ MSRP it will be around 500+ where I live.

i'm using D15 with my 11700k system and i think it's better than my h150i AIO

I fell in love with the NHD-14 back when I made my first PC so it only comes natural I like the NHD-15 even more. I promised myself for the next build I will get that huge chunk of Noctua greatness. So regardless of the cpu I choose I will buy the NHD-15.

 

[R0H1T]

AM5 would last you probably half a decade, more if you upgrade to zen5 or higher if AMD would support that path. I wouldn't go AM4 unless I'm really getting some massive discounts on CPU+MB+RAM because DDR5 & NAND is only gonna get cheaper from here!

 

[dgianstefani]

FYI AM5 platform currently has significant bugs/firmware flaws leading to overvoltage that can potentially kill CPUs/motherboards or even start a fire.

 

[R0H1T]

or even start a fire.

That's fairly alarmist, it was only shown to be an issue with Asus boards & IIRC only x3d chips for now?

 

[dgianstefani]

That's fairly alarmist, it was only shown to be an issue with Asus boards & IIRC only x3d chips for now?

It's 400 W of current continuously being pushed through a dead chip, and PWROK is still active because OCP doesn't work. To the point of CPUs melting and smoke being formed (before they manually cut the power).

Absolutely not just X3D chips (they are dying first due to being more sensitive to voltage) and other vendor boards have issues too. It's both a motherboard manufacturer and AMD problem.

 

[Devon68]

FYI AM5 platform currently has significant bugs/firmware flaws leading to overvoltage that can potentially kill CPUs/motherboards or even start a fire.

I posted this thread after watching that video. Before that I had a LOT less doubts.

That's fairly alarmist, it was only shown to be an issue with Asus boards & IIRC only x3d chips for now?

Also happened to a 7700x. The issue happened on a gigabyte board as well. Luckily it didn't take the board with it.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I posted this thread after watching that video. Before that I had a LOT less doubts.

Also happened to a 7700x. The issue happened on a gigabyte board as well. Luckily it didn't take the board with it.

I would probably still avoid Asus boards for now the other boards they tried at least the bios reading was semi accurate the Asus board was super off.

 

[R0H1T]

It's 400 W of current continuously being pushed through a dead chip

Yes but only on Asus also what other chips would be so sensitive to high SoC voltage? Normal zen4 chips can clock above 6Ghz on single core in some cases. Doubt they'd fry themselves unless Asus did worse for them.

Absolutely not just X3D chips (they are dying first due to being more sensitive to voltage) and other vendor boards have issues too. It's both a motherboard manufacturer and AMD problem.

If we're going down that route why not check RMA rates for regular zen4, RKL/ADL & RPL as well as zen3 from a few years back? I bet any board with high default voltages can fry these chips! Come one let's not speculate on hypotheticals.

 

[eidairaman1]

Will look into it. While researching the AM4 system I was considering the MSI B550-Pro so I'm probably going to like this one as well.

I just hope I can find a deal on them. Currently as it stands they start from 620$ and up.

True. As I wrote the 5800x3D is 300$. But if the 7800x3d costs 450$ MSRP it will be around 500+ where I live.

I fell in love with the NHD-14 back when I made my first PC so it only comes natural I like the NHD-15 even more. I promised myself for the next build I will get that huge chunk of Noctua greatness. So regardless of the cpu I choose I will buy the NHD-15.

Id say a B550 Steel Legend by AsRock, its been a rocksteady board and i never bios flashed it.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Yes but only on Asus also what other chips would be so sensitive to high SoC voltage? Normal zen4 chips can clock above 6Ghz on single core in some cases. Doubt they'd fry themselves unless Asus did worse for them.

I manually set the SOC voltages on all my boards to 1.15 never had any issues others should do the same even 1.1 works fine on most kits.

 

[Vya Domus]

I haven't had any issues with my AM5 system, I do not the see the point in buying into a dead DDR4 platform.

The thing is. I would get the parts from a guy getting them abroad so the only way to warranty anything it would be to contact him or through the serial numbers.

But you do realize that stuff can still be defective/fail with the AM4 system as well, right ?

 

[evernessince]

FYI AM5 platform currently has significant bugs/firmware flaws leading to overvoltage that can potentially kill CPUs/motherboards or even start a fire.

As stated in the video "it's really hard to replicate this issue" and "it's only if you rolled a one on your motherboard, CPU, and RAM".

New BIOSes that cap the SoC voltage and a few others have been out for a few days now which address the issue. As pointed out in the video, this fixes the issue but doesn't address all the underlying causes. ASUS in particular needs to ensure that basic safety features are implemented and AMD needs to put more restrictions on board vendors to ensure their motherboards aren't applying unsafe voltages or missing basic features.

I'd like to point out that Arris's (owner of cybernetics and former TPU PSU reviewer) sources in the industry pointed out that the 7000 series's RMA rate is lower than that of the 5000 series. This is definitely an issue that needs to be fully resolved but lets not fearmonger and pretend it's an issue that's likely to impact prospective buyers at any significant rate.

330$ Motherboard: ASUS ROG STRIX B650E-E Gaming Wifi
325$ Processor: AMD Ryzen 7 7700X 4.50GHz AM5 BOX
660$ GPU: ASUS TUF-RX6800XT-O16G-GAMING Radeon RX 6800 XT 16GB OEM
145$ Memory: G.Skill 32GB RipJaws S5 DDR5 6000Mhz CL32 kit F5-6000j3238F1
115$ Cooler: Noctua Nh-D15 Se-Am4
190$ PSU: CORSAIR SHIFT RM850x 850W
270$ Case: Corsair 5000D Airflow Black
139$ SSD: WD 1Tb Sn850X With Heatsink M.2
Total around: 2170$

You can definitely get away with one of ASRock's $200 motherboard with no difference in performance. Even the $120 AsRock B650M-HDV/M.2 has a pretty good VRM.

Processor wise I'd probably go with the 7700 over the 7700X. The performance difference is very small and the former is much more efficient. The 7700X mostly just wastes electricity. Plus the 7700 also comes with a decent cooler. Not really sure it's worth the extra $135 to get X SKU plus a NH-D15 for a 1-3% extra performance but even if you were to get the 7700 + a NH-D15 you can sell the cooler that comes with the 7700 for a good $30 - $40 (or just keep it). In any case better value.

Case seems very expensive, it's $150 in the US from what I can see. Paying $270 is a complete ripoff, I'd 100% switch that if that's what you need to pay.

Your GPU price is also $100+ over prices I'm seeing as well. I'd find it cheaper and if you can't look at something better value.

 

[Devon68]

But you do realize that stuff can still be defective/fail with the AM4 system as well, right ?

Yes I do. But if I buy locally from a shop it would be a 15-20% more, plus they dont have a decent number of products to choose from.

Case seems very expensive, it's $150 in the US from what I can see. Paying $270 is a complete ripoff, I'd 100% switch that if that's what you need to pay.

While I was reading through the reviews on Newegg. I read about a guy getting it for 99$ on some sale. So I agree, if it does indeed cost 270$ I will look for an alternative. I was also considering the silent base 802. Or since I really like the way the 5000D looks I might go for his lookalike the 4000D.

 

[Deleted member 229121]

I'd go AM5 at this point if I were you and the budget allows, maybe 7700 non X if the price diff matters where you are (no idea).
Then dunk the last/best CPU in there you can with a BIOS update a few years down the road.

 

[R0H1T]

So I agree, if it does indeed cost 270$ I will look for an alternative.

I was looking to buy the 1000D for about $300-320 last week but then I saw the weight

https://www.amazon.in/dp/B07BQG4TM3

I feel these days cases are also going the GPU way ~ overpriced & taking too much space for all the contraptions we have these days!

 

[mb194dc]

You'll change to higher res display? Spec is massive overkill for 1080p 60. What do you do with it?

I'd consider to change screen first then plan your new system around that.

 

[Devon68]

You'll change to higher res display? Spec is massive overkill for 1080p 60. What do you do with it?

I'd consider to change screen first then plan your new system around that.

I know it would be for now, but in a month or two I hope to go 1440p.

 

[evernessince]

While I was reading through the reviews on Newegg. I read about a guy getting it for 99$ on some sale. So I agree, if it does indeed cost 270$ I will look for an alternative. I was also considering the silent base 802. Or since I really like the way the 5000D looks I might go for his lookalike the 4000D.

Can't go wrong with any of those

 

[Devon68]

So I had a bit of time to kill before all the new components arrived.....so did the only thing imaginable Cable management.

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