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You couldn't squeeze out another 97 MHz to double stock clock? Lazy ass, try again! Do it!

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Buying 1k€ in 2011 my 980x is more than profitable, and still works wonderfully, I love it!. My setup: swiftech H320, Rampge 3 Extreme, 6x8Gb 2133CL9 g.skill trident X, 1080ti lightning X, 2x 970PRO+Eisblock HDX-2 (booting os with duet and the second nvme for DCS WORLD) and the whole thing cools by a Phanteks Enthoo Primo case. This cpu has been working honorably for all these years at 4.375Ghz with a UCLK at 3859Mhz! And during a heat wave it's max 82°C with cpu at 100% for more than 2 hours of games.
If you are interested, here is the way to apply the bios under windows (bios rev x injected = bios rev x loaded in windows): simply modify the file (\System32) "mcupdate_GenuineIntel.dll" in .bak. Personally for my platform I use the S23oi (Rev13 from 2010, from bios-mods.com /R3E), it's the oldest but for me the most efficient: OC not restrained, microcode not patched for spectrum/meltown and therefore 100% capacity)

About windows optimization:

Have always wondered about these standardized X58 drivers from Microsoft W10, whether or not they are better than the latest ones made in 2013 on W7 (100% compatible with W10).
I tested them quickly but did not notice any concrete difference. X58 fans and experts have you noticed any particular difference? These 23 drivers ("10.0.19041 - 21/06/2006") are:
ESI 3405; Registers: 3423/3422/342E and 3438; PCI Bridge:3408/3409/340A and E/244E/3A40/3A48 and 3A30; SM Bus controller; ICH10:3A3A/3A3C/3A34 to 39/3A16 and finally this evil "ATK" driver that W10 seeks to update after each installation in order to save energy on the cpu according to my research, do you confirm? it is actually used for this? Personally I remove, deactivate or not install what could restrict my platform, have you noticed a benefit with this "ATK" driver? in performance of course ;-)
On the other hand I have the impression that the driver ("10.0.19041-1865 - 21/06/2006") and the controller ("10.0.19041-1566 - 21/06/2006") for my 970Pro are also efficient see slightly better than any samsung mounts (rev: 3.0 to 3.3) what is your feedback on this?
 

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Look at those rails just getting the shit kicked out of them lol.

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I need advice to upgrade CPU. Gigabyte motherboard ga-X58a-UD7 rev.1, now running with i7 920 @ 3.88 Ghz. I'm hesitating between the Xeon W3690 priced 55€ or the X5690 priced 38€ on Aliexpress. Which of the two gives better performance?
 

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I need advice to upgrade CPU. Gigabyte motherboard ga-X58a-UD7 rev.1, now running with i7 920 @ 3.88 Ghz. I'm hesitating between the Xeon W3690 priced 55€ or the X5690 priced 38€ on Aliexpress. Which of the two gives better performance?

In all likelihood, neither. They're the same silicon, with the W having an unlocked multiplier while the X doesn't, but Westmere OCs via FSB really well. If your board has the right memory dividers (in the case of the X), you'll end up at the processor's clock ceiling with either, which will probably be between 4.2 and 4.5 GHz.
 
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In all likelihood, neither. They're the same silicon, with the W having an unlocked multiplier while the X doesn't, but Westmere OCs via FSB really well. If your board has the right memory dividers (in the case of the X), you'll end up at the processor's clock ceiling with either, which will probably be between 4.2 and 4.5 GHz.
Should I understand that the overclock is done in the same way in case of the X as in the case of i7 920?
 
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Should I understand that the overclock is done in the same way in case of the X as in the case of i7 920?
Basically, except 32nm Westmere should like slightly lower max voltages than 45nm Bloomfield. And uncore can now be set as low as 1.5x DRAM frequency instead of 2x minimum.

Btw if you're planning on OC anyway, consider the X5675. :)
 
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I'm hesitating between the Xeon W3690 priced 55€ or the X5690 priced 38€ on Aliexpress.
In all likelihood, neither. They're the same silicon, with the W having an unlocked multiplier while the X doesn't, but Westmere OCs via FSB really well. If your board has the right memory dividers (in the case of the X), you'll end up at the processor's clock ceiling with either, which will probably be between 4.2 and 4.5 GHz.
This. Get yourself a W3680 and save yourself some money, or get an X5675 and do a BCLK oc.
 
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This. Get yourself a W3680 and save yourself some money, or get an X5675 and do a BCLK oc.
Basically, except 32nm Westmere should like slightly lower max voltages than 45nm Bloomfield. And uncore can now be set as low as 1.5x DRAM frequency instead of 2x minimum.

Btw if you're planning on OC anyway, consider the X5675. :)
Following your advice I will buy the X5675 priced 16,33 € in Aliexpress. I'll report when I have it working paired with a 3060 Ti,
 

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Can you get more out of this device?
X5675 with 6x8gb ra
something to do with the ram
 

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I need advice to upgrade CPU. Gigabyte motherboard ga-X58a-UD7 rev.1, now running with i7 920 @ 3.88 Ghz. I'm hesitating between the Xeon W3690 priced 55€ or the X5690 priced 38€ on Aliexpress. Which of the two gives better performance?
Not sure if you got teh CPU yet.. I had that board, and to run a Xeon there was a beta bios for it.. But that was many moons ago, and it might not be beta anymore :D
something to do with the ram

Take out half the ram and try again. You have 6x8 installed?
 

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Not sure if you got teh CPU yet.. I had that board, and to run a Xeon there was a beta bios for it.. But that was many moons ago, and it might not be beta anymore :D


Take out half the ram and try again. You have 6x8 installed?
Yes 6x8 but my voltage sett is good?
 

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Can you get more out of this device?
X5675 with 6x8gb ra
something to do with the ram
For starters, your BCLK is a bit wonky. The BCLK for 1366 CPU's should be kept as close to a multiple of 33mhz as possible(133mhz, 166mhz, 200mhz for example). This ensures the clock gens for all other components will remain within spec ranges. I recommend bumping your BCLK to 200 or 201mhz, dropping 1 or 2 on the multiplier and adjusting from there. Just my 2cents.

I would bring QPI VTT up to 1.35-1.4v
This could be helpful, but the clocks need a bit of attention first.
 

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For starters, your BCLK is a bit wonky. The BCLK for 1366 CPU's should be kept as close to a multiple of 33mhz as possible(133mhz, 166mhz, 200mhz for example). This ensures the clock gens for all other components will remain within spec ranges. I recommend bumping your BCLK to 200 or 201mhz, dropping 1 or 2 on the multiplier and adjusting from there. Just my 2cents.


This could be helpful, but the clocks need a bit of attention first.
Yup, bclk should be at 100.
 

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Yup, bclk should be at 100.

Um forgive me if my memory serves me wrong but for 1366 isn't the default base clock 133?

If memory serves me correct my i7 920 had a multiplier of 20 which could be changed to the boost multiplier of 21.

So 133 x 20 = 2.66ghz for stock clocks.
 

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Um forgive me if my memory serves me wrong but for 1366 isn't the default base clock 133?
Whoops shit.. my bad.. was thinking of z77 for some reason.. hate giving bad advice :(
 

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Whoops shit.. my bad.. was thinking of z77 for some reason.. hate giving bad advice :(

Yeah, nah all good : )

It actually took me back to when I used to overclock my good old 920, 930 the later 990x. I did love those overclocking days.

The 920 I sold to a mate and the 930 was an incredible CPU. If memory serves me correct, I got close to 4.6Ghz OC when base was 2.8ghz.

Later with the 990x was close to 5ghz (and did boot 5.4ghz) and I was getting memory over 2500Mhz (with looser timings) or MT's they call it now. Some of my favorite overclocking days TBH.

It's pretty easy to get mixed up with 100 bclk as from Sandy bridge onwards it's been like that.
 
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Yup, bclk should be at 100.
Um, not for 1366 socket CPU's. The stock BCLK is 133mhz. Every large jump above that should ideally be at or around 33mhz bumps to keep all of the linked system clocks within spec. This has to do with how the clock multipliers for system components are automatically calculated, which happens at 33mhz increments. OCing a CPU is one thing, but one doesn't want to overclock everything else with it as not everything will react the same, and often won't OC at all.

Whoops shit.. my bad.. was thinking of z77 for some reason.. hate giving bad advice :(
No worries, easy mistake to make. Not sure why Intel backtracked on the BCLK speed after 1366. Never made sense.
 

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what should i set in qpi link? lowest possible value of cg slow mode or maybe higher values?

is it better to go for higher RAM clocks or lower timings?

is there anything to improve?
(Still 6x8 stick ram, x5675)
Thanx!
 

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Apologies for the late reply. I thought I replied earlier.

For stability and performance, try to keep QPI link between 6400MT/s and 8000MT/s. I doubt the higher settings you posted will work. The highest I can get stable is 8000MT/s. Above that it won't post without increasing PCIe, but that causes USB, Sata, and anything in the PCIe slots to become unstable.

For RAM you want the best ratio between clocks/timings, but higher clocks tends to be better. If you just need to loosen CAS to get more clocks, then do that. CAS doesn't affect performance as much as the rest of the timings. Lowering Activate to Activate delay (tRRD), and Four Activate Window (tFAW), can drastically affect performance if your motherboard is setting those too high. Setting tFAW to 4 x tRRD or lower basically disables tFAW. tRRD will default to 4 if set lower than 4. These settings will vary between memory manufacturers and revisions. I'm familiar with Samsung 2gb rev C and rev D chips. They can run tRRD at 4 up to at least 2200Mhz. The rev C tend to require +1 primary timings compared to rev D. For example:

Rev C: 2133Mhz 10-11-11-27 1.5V
Rev D: 2133Mhz 9-10-10-24 1.5V

6x sticks was difficult to stabilize above 2000Mhz. I think its temperature related. I can pass any stress test, but loading up a game causes it to throw WHEA errors, and occasionally blue screen. Higher voltage worsened stability. 3x sticks I was able to get to about 2400Mhz, but I wouldn't call it 100% stable since I didn't do long term stress tests.

Others like Elpida, Hynix Micron, etc I'm not familiar with. I have some experience with Micron 4gb chips found on 8GB Crucial Ballistix Tactical LP . Those tend to do 2000Mhz 9-9-9-27, but they require higher tRFC, 160 or higher. I haven't fine tuned the secondary timings.
 
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