Microsoft Will Force Windows 10 22H2 Upgrades Next Month

matar · May 20, 2023

Anything with windows 10 is ok but keep out windows 11 from our updates.

Darmok N Jalad · May 20, 2023

TechLurker said:
Still running a 95, 98, 2000, XP, and Win7 across several old computers. The Win7 being a personal fave of mine due to having the Signature Edition OS version (basically Win7 Ultimate with a few extras, including an exclusive Signature Edition Theme), and being the first PC I built from scratch. A Win10 serves as my forced-upgrade mainstay (couldn't get Win7 working on Ryzen 3000 series), and will probably remain that way until Win12 (assuming it follows the MS cadence of Horrible OS, Great OS, Horrible OS, Great OS, with Win11 being a Horrible OS).

Hard to say, with the way MS did updates since 8, it's not as consistent. Win 8.1 fixed a considerable amount of the UI screwups that 8 introduced. Windows 10 was pretty sucky when it launched, and it's still got some significant negatives, since it introduced telemetry, ads, and forced features and extras that we didn't ask for. It ran for so long though, that the release Win10 really only kinda looks like the Windows 10 of today. It certainly is more solid in terms of stability now, but it's always felt like MS was never quite done with it. Windows 11's design change proves they couldn't ever quite figure it out!

cyberloner · May 20, 2023

windows 11 will having explorer crash still.... it will just restart intermittent

EnFission · May 20, 2023

lemonadesoda said:
Thinking of rolling back to W2K3 for Workstation. One location for Settings. Snappy. I am the Master. No autoupdates. Just missing DX11/12.

Outside of programs that run NSS, like FireFox and Chrome, you will not be able to use TLS 1.1/1.2/1.3 natively. Anything below 1.2 plus more than half the cipher suites inside of 1.2 are highly recommended to be turned off. The web servers at the company I work at would refuse to do an SSL handshake with your machine as there would be no common enabled ciphers.

AusWolf · May 20, 2023

THU31 said:
I doubt that can happen as long as you have TPM or Secure Boot disabled.

When I buy a new SSD in a while, I'll try Win 11 and dual boot for a while. That's what I always do with a new system after waiting for a few years since release. Most problems are usually resolved by then.

Although I hope Win 12 actually comes out before Win 10's end of life. That should be a good system, looking back at the entire history of Windows.

It's not the problems why I don't want Windows 11. I just don't like it. I want my normal taskbar and Start menu. I'm oldschool, I don't like change for no reason. What isn't broken, don't fix it is the biggest lesson Microsoft should learn. And I mentioned Linux because some distros have a better Start menu than Windows 11 does.

N3utro · May 20, 2023

So MS can actually force updates on W10. Thought the user had the choice on when to check and when to install. Makes you wonder what else they could force without your consent. Wait, who's knocking at my

AusWolf · May 20, 2023

N3utro said:
So MS can actually force updates on W10. Thought the user had the choice on when to check and when to install. Makes you wonder what else they could force without your consent. Wait, who's knocking at my

You can pause updates temporarily, but the only way to stop them indefinitely is disconnecting from the internet.

Bomby569 · May 20, 2023

MS is really annoying with this forced upgrades. If for some reason people don't want the last upgrade it's their choice. Godamnit.
I lost count how many times i said i didn't want W11.

Jism · May 20, 2023

I have'nt tried it myself,

https://atlasos.net/downloads/w10_22h2

but this would be an excellent time to start considering AtlasOS. It's basicly W10 but stripped with all it's nonsense and most important telemetry.

holyprof · May 20, 2023

AusWolf said:
I am praying for sure. When a Windows 11 update is forced, it'll be the time for me to learn more about gaming on Linux.

I have the TPM switched off in UEFI. Will stay on Win 10 for as long as it's possible without giving up too much in new features or software OS requirements.

RJARRRPCGP · May 20, 2023

chrcoluk said:
The hardware changes mentioned I felt were a misnomer, I understand for developers supporting old hardware means more work load, but be real about it, just openly state you no longer want to support the hardware, dont pretend that hardware pre dated TPM 2.0 is the major cause of security problems. The biggest issues are the security model in windows. Examples being, routinely executables are ran from temp locations, from user data folders, and we still in 2023 have the default accounts as administrators.

There is a critical security flaw with 9th-gen and earlier Core i motherboards with CSME. A UEFI-BIOS update with the fixed CSME, is required. It was unavailable for my Coffee Lake laptop, so I got rid of it.

Intel's CSME checking utility, failed on that laptop and then I banhammered that laptop.

AusWolf · May 21, 2023

RJARRRPCGP said:
There is a critical security flaw with 9th-gen and earlier Core i motherboards with CSME. A UEFI-BIOS update with the fixed CSME, is required. It was unavailable for my Coffee Lake laptop, so I got rid of it.

Intel's CSME checking utility, failed on that laptop and then I banhammered that laptop.

Security flaws need to be exploited to work. The chance of someone hacking into your home PC without you visiting dodgy websites is near zero.

RoutedScripter · May 21, 2023

cyberloner said:
windows 11 will having explorer crash still.... it will just restart intermittent

Stuff like this is inexcusable, is it documented well somewhere, video, etc?

RJARRRPCGP · May 21, 2023

AusWolf said:
Security flaws need to be exploited to work. The chance of someone hacking into your home PC without you visiting dodgy websites is near zero.

It's a remote-code-execution flaw, which means that you can be remotely hacked, just by being connected to the internet. It was given an extremely high severity rating.

chrcoluk said:
But of course 11 wont live as long as 10 did

Are you saying that this will be the shortest-supported OS since Windows ME? (2000-2006)

AusWolf · May 22, 2023

RJARRRPCGP said:
It's a remote-code-execution flaw, which means that you can be remotely hacked, just by being connected to the internet. It was given an extremely high severity rating.

Just because you can be, it doesn't mean you will be. Home users are a small target, not worth the effort most of the time.

chrcoluk · May 22, 2023

RJARRRPCGP said:
It's a remote-code-execution flaw, which means that you can be remotely hacked, just by being connected to the internet. It was given an extremely high severity rating.

Are you saying that this will be the shortest-supported OS since Windows ME? (2000-2006)

Microsoft have already said they not continuing the model they had for Windows 10 where it would last for a decade or so with several feature updates, they already working on 12. But maybe 11 might actually end up been a longer period, I made assumptions based on the statements they made.

Windows 12 is expected in 2024 which is quite rapid of a release model, my guess would be maybe 2-3 years support of 11 after that date so 2026-2027 end date. That would indeed be shorter than ME potentially.

An indication of the direction of lifespans is looking at LTSC.

Windows 10 1809 LTSC has a later EOL than 21H2 LTSC. I think Office had similar issues when they made adjustments.

RJARRRPCGP · May 22, 2023

chrcoluk said:
Windows 12 is expected in 2024 which is quite rapid of a release model, my guess would be maybe 2-3 years support of 11 after that date so 2026-2027 end date. That would indeed be shorter than ME potentially.

If what you said is true, then it's the shortest lifecycle since Windows 8.0 from 2012, IIRC! (not the 8.1 refresh from 2013)

OTOH, if 11 continues at least near a decade with only security fixes, then that's fine with me.

Otherwise, I could be on Linux for all systems in my room!

chrcoluk · May 22, 2023

Of course not everything goes to plan, Windows 8 issues, extended 7's life and Vista issues extended XP's life. So we dont know until it happens.

8 officially EOL'd later than 7 but was effectively dead before then due to 3rd parties cutting off support for it. My RTX 3080 had Win 7 drivers but no Win 8 drivers.

AusWolf · May 22, 2023

chrcoluk said:
Of course not everything goes to plan, Windows 8 issues, extended 7's life and Vista issues extended XP's life. So we dont know until it happens. 8 officially EOL'd later than 7 but was effectively dead before then due to 3rd parties cutting off support for it. My RTX 3080 had Win 7 drivers but no Win 8 drivers.

8 was dead right when it came out - just like 11 is to me. :laugh:

RJARRRPCGP · May 22, 2023

chrcoluk said:
Of course not everything goes to plan, Windows 8 issues, extended 7's life and Vista issues extended XP's life. So we dont know until it happens. 8 officially EOL'd later than 7 but was effectively dead before then due to 3rd parties cutting off support for it. My RTX 3080 had Win 7 drivers but no Win 8 drivers.

The original 8 with only the Start screen, was officially EOL'ed way before 8.1 was, IIRC. I guess people rightly hated 2012's 8 (the first one) so much!

budget_Optiplex · May 22, 2023

Jism said:
I have'nt tried it myself,

https://atlasos.net/downloads/w10_22h2

but this would be an excellent time to start considering AtlasOS. It's basicly W10 but stripped with all it's nonsense and most important telemetry.

Slightly off topic here but I'll throw this out there......

May I suggest also checking out the Slimdown10 script by wkeller. His previous Integrate7 script was great for creating an updated Windows 7 ISO. I have used the Slimdown10 script and created a stripped Windows 10 22H2 ISO which I installed and have used for a few weeks, and am quite happy with it. It's lighter then even my attempts using ntlite or the msmg toolkit on various Windows 10 versions over the years (I started modding Windows back in the days of 98lite). It's also probably a lot safer as well. With some additional tweaking and service disabling I'm down to about 70 processes / 1GB memory used after Windows finishes loading to the desktop and stabilizing. And my old system runs fantastic, fastest I've ever seen it go. Keep in mind I'm old school, I don't care about 90% of the stuff that 10 comes with. I want a light OS that gets out of my way, as my system is used for browsing and gaming and that's it. If you are looking for something that just removes the bloat without any weird stuff going on, check it out. This basically turns Windows 10 into something like Windows 7. You will need an account to see the first post with all the info on the script, what is needed, and how to use it.

Slimdown10 – turn Windows 10 22H2 or LTSC 2021 into classic/legacy Windows

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I do run my internet through a thin client running Adguard Home, and I have practically all Microsoft internet addresses blocked. With this Slimdown10 install Windows is very quiet, looking at my outbound connection log, and my event viewer doesn't have much in the way of continuous errors that can be seen with many lightweight Windows versions. I get a complaint about Software Protection service not running (which is fine by me) and a few complaints about Windows components not being able to access Microsoft servers, and that's about it.

bobbybluz · May 22, 2023

I have WUB on all my Win 10 & 11 PC's. No unwanted or annoying updates for a few years now. All the 10 PC's are Enterprise LTSC.

TheinsanegamerN · May 22, 2023

RJARRRPCGP said:
It's a remote-code-execution flaw, which means that you can be remotely hacked, just by being connected to the internet. It was given an extremely high severity rating.

Are you saying that this will be the shortest-supported OS since Windows ME? (2000-2006)

Where? Every reference I have found to CSME 9th gen flaws have either been patched or require an in person attack, at which point you have already lost.

RJARRRPCGP · May 22, 2023

TheinsanegamerN said:
Where? Every reference I have found to CSME 9th gen flaws have either been patched or require an in person attack, at which point you have already lost.

Forgot where, but it's the worst CSME flaw in history, apparently and only affects Coffee Lake and earlier with CSME.

Some didn't get patched and that was a critical mistake. (no patch in latest UEFI-BIOS available)

Luke357 · May 22, 2023

RJARRRPCGP said:
If what you said is true, then it's the shortest lifecycle since Windows 8.0 from 2012, IIRC! (not the 8.1 refresh from 2013)

OTOH, if 11 continues at least near a decade with only security fixes, then that's fine with me. Otherwise, I could be on Linux for all systems in my room!

Windows 8.1 was really just a fancy service pack. It was 99 percent the same operating system as 8.0 plus a few necessary upgrades.

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