NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti Founders Edition

[JustBenching]

Ghosting, frame stretching, ui flickering to name a few; games like ms flight sim, Spider-Man, F1 games, CP2077. Just Google it or take the time to watch some of HWUB’s content on the subject.

There have been improvements since release but problems exactly like the ones mentioned still exist when using DLSS 3. Not to mention when using a GPU with less raw shader horse power, the occurrence and how easy these artifacts are to spot gets worse; as you trickle down the product stack DLSS 3 gets worse sadly.

I have no intention of using DLSS3 or FG tech as I don’t see the point in spending a lot of money for a high end GPU/high refresh monitor to actively degrade the visual quality of my games.

You realize these issues exist with...native rendering as well, right? RIGHT?

 

[Gmr_Chick]

Just 3 days ago she said "graphics card", and she already knows the guys from Battlefield, the big bird from Witcher 3, the raccoon from Guardians of the Galaxy, the palm trees from Far Cry 6 and the witch from Resident Evil

You're definitely starting her off right, W!zz!

Back to the card itself.... I'm just going to say that, since DLSS and RT are both non-factors for me and the games I play - could frankly care less about either of these features -- and I tend to keep my hardware for a while, the "older" 6700XT/6750XT will be the GPU I end up going with, should I ever be able to find Nitro+ versions of either in stock and not from shady 3rd party sellers.

 

[Udyr]

I'm removing the Recommended award for now and will explore options how to restructure our awards. Good night everyone

I apologize if this is off-topic, but you don't really need to. As I mentioned before, the "No Award" description pretty much covers up anything that's not good enough for a badge.

Everything you explained is valid, and making these kind of arguments part of the conclusion is sufficient to make your reviews understandable. I understand many readers are somewhat lazy and don't want to read a wall of text; they'd rather have a Pros/Cons list and a badge/no badge to know if the product is good or not, but it's our responsibility to do proper research before handing out our hard earned cash for a product, and failure to do so is on our end, because you already did your part to inform readers of the compromises.

 

[Taisho]

I'm removing the Recommended award for now and will explore options how to restructure our awards. Good night everyone

Jensen: Where is my "Highly Recommended"?
W1zzard: Together with your 4080 12GB!

 

[A Computer Guy]

I'm removing the Recommended award for now and will explore options how to restructure our awards. Good night everyone

Perhaps "Get's the job done" award. But seriously thanks for your hard work on the reviews.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

How is this even possible.

"But cache..."

Nvidia's "effective bandwidth" numbers depend on resolution. They probably set that effective bandwidth to 1080p or even lower to count for DLSS2.

AMD told us how effective bandwidth is calculated:



You can see how those 32MB get around 55% cache hit rates at 1080p, but go up to 1440p and it's around 40%, and at 4K is around 20%.
Effective bandwidth should be = (% cache hitrate * cache bandwidth) + (100-%cache hitrate * VRAM bandwidth).
The higher the resolution, the lower is the effective bandwidth.


So while the 4060 Ti might get higher effective bandwidth than the 3060 Ti at 1080p, when you go up in resolution it could be well bellow its "predecessor". In reality, once the cache is deemed less usable at higher resolutions, the 3060 Ti ends up with 448GB/s to the VRAM whereas the 4060 Ti gets a measly 288GB/s.
And at that point, considering the low amount of VRAM at 8GB, even the PCIe 8x limitation is probably becoming a bottleneck, since it needs more data swapping in and out of VRAM to keep up with the game assets.




TLDR: The 4060 Ti's AD106 chip was designed to be tiny and cheap (small L2, narrow PCIe, narrow RAM bus). It should fit laptops and $250 graphics cards just fine.
Just don't pay $400 for this.

 

[illli]

Actually the "Highly" part is just there to fill the empty space, but I had no better idea at the time and still have no better idea

how about "highly mediocre"? companies can still get their gold/silver/platinum stars for being outstandingly mediocre

 

[qlum]

Why are we even looking at 1080p, It's a $ 400 GPU, 1440p screens have become pretty much the standard outside the budget range as far as I know.
It should handle that resolution just fine in most cases.
Just because Nvidia's marketing points to that resolution.
Just taking a quick look at a Dutch price comparisons site of the 10 most popular monitors, 9 are at least 1440p.
1080p is really just for the low end.

Going to 1440p the generational leap is even smaller and the drawback of 8GB vram is even great.

 

[sLowEnd]

The feature set and power consumption figures are good. Shame about the lacklustre performance improvement over the 3060Ti though. Easy card to skip.

 

[tfdsaf]

How is the $400 price segment not high enough in your mind to justify demanding more than a measly and crappy 8GB of vram? I mean DUDE you still test games from 2016 that barely use 3GB of vram, so how is your conclusion valid when there at 4 games RIGHT now that use more than 8GB of vram? What about 6 months from now?

And how is this card excellent at $400? You have the RX 6700XT which costs $320 DUDE! You have the RX 6800XT which costs $520 and is 30% faster, it does compete against the $500 16GB version of this card!
Then you have the much cheaper priced RX 6600XT at $250, that is $150 dollars less for 80% of the performance!

I knew garbage written media would fucking shill for Nvidia! Doesn't matter how BAD and how overly expensive their products are!

I see so many people typing "it should be" .. unfortunately "it is", and it is $400 because AMD has nothing and people will still buy it at that price. If that changes NVIDIA will lower the price

So if Nvidia released this turd at $600 in a vacuum you would recommend it? That is a crazy way to look at things! Just because AMD haven't released a direct competitor of their RDNA3 generation as of yet doesn't mean their previous generation products stopped existing!

You can find RX 6700XT's for as low as $320, you can find RX 6600XT for as low as $240 or you can just choose NOT to buy overpriced turds this generation! I think your recommendations should reflect REALITY, not Nvidia's wishes!

I'll take your bet, how much?


But no DLSS 3, a bit higher fan noise, slightly worse efficiency. How much would you pay for that? $50?

You lost dude, the RTX 4060TI can't run Hogwarts Legacy at highest settings at 1440p, while the 1080ti can! Same with Resident Evil and the Kast of Us. Give me $500 so I can buy the RX 6800XT.

 

[thegnome]

Not a bad card actually, the bad thing about it (like this whole generation) is a lower class card marketed and sold at a higher class price. This would be a very nice 4050 Ti at atleast 100$ less. Now it's just like CPU improvements, small numbers, similar pricing and less power draw. It's still an upgrade, especially taking software into account, but for what this generation can offer, and at a lower price at the same time, it's just much worse than needed.

 

[tfdsaf]

Not a bad card actually, the bad thing about it (like this whole generation) is a lower class card marketed and sold at a higher class price. This would be a very nice 4050 Ti at atleast 100$ less. Now it's just like CPU improvements, small numbers, similar pricing and less power draw. It's still an upgrade, especially taking software into account, but for what this generation can offer, and at a lower price at the same time, it's just much worse than needed.

Would have been really good as a RTX 4050 at $270, and even a 16GB version for say $320, it would have been really good, still not amazing, but much better than anything we have right now.

Mind you the GTX 1060 cost $300, but was the same performance as a GTX 980 and had more Vram, this has worse performance than a RTX 3070, same vram, when it should technically be competing with the RTX 3080 and have more vram that it.

 

[Outback Bronze]

How is the $400 price segment not high enough in your mind to justify demanding more than a measly and crappy 8GB of vram? I mean DUDE you still test games from 2016 that barely use 3GB of vram, so how is your conclusion valid when there at 4 games RIGHT now that use more than 8GB of vram? What about 6 months from now?

And how is this card excellent at $400? You have the RX 6700XT which costs $320 DUDE! You have the RX 6800XT which costs $520 and is 30% faster, it does compete against the $500 16GB version of this card!
Then you have the much cheaper priced RX 6600XT at $250, that is $150 dollars less for 80% of the performance!

I knew garbage written media would fucking shill for Nvidia! Doesn't matter how BAD and how overly expensive their products are!


So if Nvidia released this turd at $600 in a vacuum you would recommend it? That is a crazy way to look at things! Just because AMD haven't released a direct competitor of their RDNA3 generation as of yet doesn't mean their previous generation products stopped existing!

You can find RX 6700XT's for as low as $320, you can find RX 6600XT for as low as $240 or you can just choose NOT to buy overpriced turds this generation! I think your recommendations should reflect REALITY, not Nvidia's wishes!


You lost dude, the RTX 4060TI can't run Hogwarts Legacy at highest settings at 1440p, while the 1080ti can! Same with Resident Evil and the Kast of Us. Give me $500 so I can buy the RX 6800XT.

Cmon mate ease up yeah. This ain't no easy job.

TBH nobody in their right mind is going to be buying this card to run the 4 mentioned VRAM hog games.

I'm in no way defending this card, but W1z has his opinions and probably tested 100 to 1000's of GPU's over the course of his profession.

What's makes matters worse for the 4060Ti is its coming with 16GB which will be more than 4070's/Ti's and equal to 4080's which really sucks IMO.

$300 is where the price of the card looks much more interesting.

 

[Mahboi]

" I think it's not unreasonable for buyers in this price-sensitive segment to to set textures to High instead of Ultra, for two or three titles."

Ah yes, the famous "price-sensitive $400".
And 8Go VRAM is just fine apparently.

 

[tvshacker]

A good 4050 (1/4 of full chip Lovelace with a fake name) that outperform the previous 3060Ti as is usual.

I agree that this should be a 4050, but even the 3050 failed to consistently match the "vanilla" 2060.

4080 IS and will forever be the greatest ripoff atempt in the history of gpus.

This 4060Ti is really trying in my opinion since it's in a higher volume price range.

 

[BiggieShady]

Good to see that "vote with your wallet" sentiment I still alive around here

 

[ValenOne]

How is the $400 price segment not high enough in your mind to justify demanding more than a measly and crappy 8GB of vram? I mean DUDE you still test games from 2016 that barely use 3GB of vram, so how is your conclusion valid when there at 4 games RIGHT now that use more than 8GB of vram? What about 6 months from now?

And how is this card excellent at $400? You have the RX 6700XT which costs $320 DUDE! You have the RX 6800XT which costs $520 and is 30% faster, it does compete against the $500 16GB version of this card!
Then you have the much cheaper priced RX 6600XT at $250, that is $150 dollars less for 80% of the performance!

I knew garbage written media would fucking shill for Nvidia! Doesn't matter how BAD and how overly expensive their products are!


So if Nvidia released this turd at $600 in a vacuum you would recommend it? That is a crazy way to look at things! Just because AMD haven't released a direct competitor of their RDNA3 generation as of yet doesn't mean their previous generation products stopped existing!

You can find RX 6700XT's for as low as $320, you can find RX 6600XT for as low as $240 or you can just choose NOT to buy overpriced turds this generation! I think your recommendations should reflect REALITY, not Nvidia's wishes!


You lost dude, the RTX 4060TI can't run Hogwarts Legacy at highest settings at 1440p, while the 1080ti can! Same with Resident Evil and the Kast of Us. Give me $500 so I can buy the RX 6800XT.

I rather buy a PS5 ($399.99 PlayStation 5 Digital Edition, ref 1 ) or RX 6700 XT ($320, ref 2) over this $399 RTX 4060 Ti.

RX 6700 XT has a 335 mm2 die size at 7 nm TSMC and 192-bit six GDDR6-16000 chips with 96 MB L3 cache.
RTX 4060 Ti has a 190 mm2 die size at 5 nm TSMC and 128-bit four GDDR6-18000 chips with 32 MB L2 cache. NVIDIA is overcharging RTX 4060 Ti relative to RX 6700 XT.

Reference
1. https://direct.playstation.com/en-us/hardware/ps5/
2 https://pcpartpicker.com/product/9K...c-video-card-radeon-rx-6700-xt-mech-2x-12g-oc

RTX 4060 Ti's 128-bit bus has a major performance drop-off at higher resolution.

At 4K, the old RTX 3060 Ti has superior performance consistency when compared to RTX 4060 Ti.

RX 6700 XT's 192-bit bus and 96 MB L3 cache have superior performance consistency when compared to RTX 4060 Ti.

 

[john_]

AMD coming to their senses and lowering price of 7600 to $250 and now Intel checking to see if gamers will turn their eyes to them by lowering ARC 750 to $200.
While 4060 Ti is much faster than 750 and probably will end up much faster than 7600, really, why pay more than $200-$250 for an 8GB 1080p modern graphics card?

 

[Space Lynx]

It's a tech forum. I find it absurd that a person with over 13K posts here tries to shield a bad product and ridicule the members posting well-deserved criticism toward a rebranded GPU that historically represented one tier lower.

homie. I just passed my first ever kidney stone a couple days ago. everything else is a fucking joke to me now. I traveled to another dimension with the off and on pains from it.

i don't give a flying fuck about a bunch of dudes circle jerking each other over a $400 gpu review, lmao

go get a part time job, hustle, buy a 4090, loads of places hiring right now dawg. grind baby

 

[ValenOne]

Cmon mate ease up yeah. This ain't no easy job.

TBH nobody in their right mind is going to be buying this card to run the 4 mentioned VRAM hog games.

I'm in no way defending this card, but W1z has his opinions and probably tested 100 to 1000's of GPU's over the course of his profession.

What's makes matters worse for the 4060Ti is its coming with 16GB which will be more than 4070's/Ti's and equal to 4080's which really sucks IMO.

$300 is where the price of the card looks much more interesting.

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During Ampere generation, NVIDIA released 12 GB RTX 3060, 8 GB RTX 3060 Ti, 8 GB RTX 3070 / 3070 Ti, and 10 GB / 12 GB RTX 3080. RTX A4000 (GA104) 16 GB has a similar asking price to the RTX 3080 Ti 16 GB.

Similar product placement tactics are applied for ADA generation, 8 GB / 16 GB RTX 4060 Ti, 12 GB RTX 4070 / 4070 Ti, and 16 GB RTX 4080.

If a customer wants both a higher CUDA count and higher VRAM, buy an x080 card! NVIDIA attempts to funnel the masses toward the x080 card.

 

[catulitechup]

Jensen: Where is my "Highly Recommended"?
W1zzard: Together with your 4080 12GB!

However nvidia can fix this cut prices and repeat 4080 12gb formula aka unlaunched for rtx 4060 non ti 8gb* , this will be awesome

*because rtx 4060ti 8gb is doa, dont imagine which staus can give to rtx 4060 non ti 8gb

oh i have a brillant idea change some memory - gpu clocks and rename as 4050ti

 

[ValenOne]

The truth is it has Nvidia in the name, all of us here in this thread, or even watching youtubers, are a very very NICHE crowd. Vast majority of gamers will still buy this card, because to them Nvidia represents stability and has for ages, or they will ask their mom for it for their bday, cause its midrange and the most they can ask for, etc.

I think this reason alone is why Nvidia knows they can play the "Apple" marketing game with vram size, bus size, etc. It is true, AMD/Ati hurt their own reputation many years ago with stability issues, and word of mouth and vast majority of cards still being Nvidia on Steam Survey prove this, it will take another decade before Nvidia actually has to correct its actions on maximizing profit as Apple does, maybe never, since a set fanbase is loyal enough, they will buy anything no matter what associated with said brand name, regardless of competition.

Also, inflation is a thing.

Honestly I think even the 7900 XT at $799 is insane value for what you get. Considering its same MSRP as an aftermarket 1080 ti from several years ago, and the frames it gives you at 1440p/4k is crazy.

I think these are the last things I want to say... farewell

With "HD Quality texture pack".

RTX 4060 Ti doesn't have performance stability. I expected more from NVIDIA!

 

[Fluffmeister]

Another exciting day in duopoly land, be upset!

 

[ValenOne]

homie. I just passed my first ever kidney stone a couple days ago. everything else is a fucking joke to me now. I traveled to another dimension with the off and on pains from it.

i don't give a flying fuck about a bunch of dudes circle jerking each other over a $400 gpu review, lmao

go get a part time job, hustle, buy a 4090, loads of places hiring right now dawg. grind baby

Words are cheap when your GPU is GTX 1070. This is a tech forum.

My ASUS TUF RTX 4090 OC and ASUS Crosshair X670E Hero. PS; Due to warranty reasons, I restored NVIDIA's 12VHPWR cable adapter over the CableMod adapter.

This gaming PC doubles as Blender 3D workstation.

 

[Space Lynx]

Words are cheap when your GPU is GTX 1070. This is a tech forum.

My ASUS TUF RTX 4090 OC and ASUS Crosshair X670E Hero. PS; Due to warranty reasons, I restored NVIDIA's 12VHPWR cable adapter over the CableMod adapter.

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This gaming PC doubles as Blender 3D workstation.

less assumption, more logic