NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti Founders Edition

[BoggledBeagle]

... I can tell you that as someone that owns a 7900XT I could care less about FSR whatever. ...

So you would not be interested in technology, which would improve your frame rate by say 30% or decrease power draw at the same frame rate? I believe anybody with any card should be interested in that.

 

[Gica]

I stopped reading after your insult about the Taliban reference. I guess VRR is stupid too as it's just another name for Freesync and as far as availability goes I can see maybe 5 to 10 monitors that have Gsync hardware and you brought it but what do you think the power draw would be with an OLED panel with a Gsync module attached?

So I kept going against my wishes and almost fell off my chair when you claimed that it only has some success at removing tearing. If you are a noob and run Freesync and Vsync together you will probably see what you describe. As Sync is directly the monitor's refresh rate and the GPU frame rate synchronization to remove not just tearing but also stuttering, while the other is limiting the monitor to a set refresh rate.

FSR 3? I can tell you that as someone that owns a 7900XT I could care less about FSR whatever. There is no Game that does not deliver high frame rates at 4k native with this card and how can you tout a service that you are locked out from with your 3070TI because you will need that in about a year with all the console Games being made on AMD hardware so you better hope FSR 3 is good because it's the only one available to you.

The 4060TI is a card at the point where the software package has a greater impact on performance but raw performance is meh vs the previous Gen. So it's like the 8700K vs the 9700K from Intel.

You are contradicting yourself and have no idea that an nVidia video card does not necessarily need a monitor with G-Sync hardware. It also works with a freesync monitor, validated or not. With the validated ones, you have a guarantee that they work, with the others, you're lucky. It's called G-Sync compatible.
FreeSync Premium only works with certified monitors, cheaper than G-Sync, but more expensive than non-premium FreeSync ones. There are tons of posts saying that the latter is just marketing.

So you recommend the 6700 XT in the shadow of the 7900 XT. Pathetic!!! He also recommends Ryzen 3000, so that we are completely covered.

So you would not be interested in technology, which would improve your frame rate by say 30% or decrease power draw at the same frame rate? I believe anybody with any card should be interested in that.

DLSS is a solution, but the grapes are sour when you don't get to them. FSR is quarreling with the quality.
To see who recommends "for the future". I'm sure the same people recommended the 5700 XT over the 2070 Super, and watched years later with the 2070 Super dancing with DLSS in AAA games while the 5700 XT aged badly.

 

[kapone32]

So you would not be interested in technology, which would improve your frame rate by say 30% or decrease power draw at the same frame rate? I believe anybody with any card should be interested in that.

All of what you are saying is good in a a way all I am saying is my 7900Xt is the most plug and play GPU I have ever had.

You are contradicting yourself and have no idea that an nVidia video card does not necessarily need a monitor with G-Sync hardware. It also works with a freesync monitor, validated or not. With the validated ones, you have a guarantee that they work, with the others, you're lucky. It's called G-Sync compatible.
FreeSync Premium only works with certified monitors, cheaper than G-Sync, but more expensive than non-premium FreeSync ones. There are tons of posts saying that the latter is just marketing.

So you recommend the 6700 XT in the shadow of the 7900 XT. Pathetic!!! He also recommends Ryzen 3000, so that we are completely covered.

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DLSS is a solution, but the grapes are sour when you don't get to them. FSR is quarreling with the quality.
To see who recommends "for the future". I'm sure the same people recommended the 5700 XT over the 2070 Super, and watched years later with the 2070 Super dancing with DLSS in AAA games while the 5700 XT aged badly.

It really is sad when Nvidia fanboys try to bash Freesync and make Gsync sound like the cat's meow. Then you reference a chart that killed your own 91% argument.

DLSS is a solution to keep people paying for cards that are not worth the price tag and make tessellation seem old and outdated. You are so wrong about your critique as well with claiming that the 2070 Super which was a response to the 5700XT as the 2070 was the original card but I guess that does not matter. Then let's look at how many Games support DLSS and let's see how much support that will last. Oh yeah that's right DLSS3 does not work with the 2070 super.

It doesn't matter though this thread is about the 4060TI and that card is faster than a 2070 Super so I really don't know what you are arguing.

 

[Gica]

You are so wrong about your critique as well with claiming that the 2070 Super which was a response to the 5700XT as the 2070 was the original card

Learn
RTX 2070: Oct 17, 2018
RTX 2070 Super: July 9, 2019
RX 5700 XT: July 7, 2019
Only two days between the Super and RX launches

The argument since then: 2070 Super is 20% more expensive and offers "only" 10% more performance. Shit argument of AMD fans, like now. Ah, RT is poop. Like now. DLSS came later and was childishly denigrated by the same fans. Nothing from nVidia is good, all the reviewers are idiots.

Do you think it matters how long the DLSS will last, since almost three years have passed since the launch of the 3000 series? In a year it will be history and in two it will be a fossil. The life of video cards is very short when you have demands for details and high resolutions.
Even if, we activate FSR, no problem. Can you activate DLSS if FSR dies?

 

[kapone32]

Learn
RTX 2070: Oct 17, 2018
RTX 2070 Super: July 9, 2019
RX 5700 XT: July 7, 2019
Only two days between the Super and RX launches

The argument since then: 2070 Super is 20% more expensive and offers "only" 10% more performance. Shit argument of AMD fans, like now. Ah, RT is poop. Like now. DLSS came later and was childishly denigrated by the same fans. Nothing from nVidia is good, all the reviewers are idiots.

Do you think it matters how long the DLSS will last, since almost three years have passed since the launch of the 3000 series? In a year it will be history and in two it will be a fossil. The life of video cards is very short when you have demands for details and high resolutions.
Even if, we activate FSR, no problem. Can you activate DLSS if FSR dies?

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Are you serious? There is a lot of propaganda in the World of tech reviews but to say that all reviewers are idiots and you are some sage by showing a 4 FPS difference between the 2 technologies in a Game sponsored by Nvidia establishes nothing, can you actually feel 4 FPS? It does not matter anyway when I am enjoying my library after I go to the Grocery store to get a few beers for tonight's session. The last thing I will be thinking about is DLSS vs FSR.

It is actually sad as I cannot fathom your unwavering disdain for anything AMD and your blind support for Nvidia. I was burned by nvidia and that is why I don't use them but I don't go out of my way to bash everything they do like some schoolyard rivalry. The thing is these are inert products of sand that satisfy an itch that is fine with either one and all we do in some cases is repeat marketing.

 

[AnotherReader]

It is actually sad as I cannot fathom your unwavering disdain for anything AMD and your blind support for Nvidia. I was burned by nvidia and that is why I don't use them but I don't go out of my way to bash everything they do like some schoolyard rivalry. The thing is these are inert products of sand that satisfy an itch that is fine with either one and all we do in some cases is repeat marketing.

Gica is just a symptom of the lack of polite disagreement and rationality that has become distressingly common. It's possible for reasonable people to disagree without trading insults, but the anonymity on the Internet makes loudmouths of most people.

 

[ValenOne]

6750 XT had a launch price $549, that is 150 more than 400 of the 4060 Ti.

Depending on the region, 6750 XT can still be more expensive than 4060 Ti - even now being an old gen product on sale.

Useless argument. Check pcpartspicker price guidance.

The problem is with the power of the graphics processor to render frames. It performs a lot of calculations to build a frame. What do you do with the textures if the graphics processor renders 50 fps?
Real world example.
GPU: architect, builders
Texture: carpentry.
Carpenters cannot work on the 10th floor if the builder works on the 5th floor.

In conclusion, I would not buy the 4060 Ti. Because of the prices, not the memory. An old card (3000 or 6000) with a minimum discount, no way!
I'm super happy with the 3070Ti in the short time I've been using it. Of course, I would like a 4090 in some games, but even so, my anger did not go away because, two years ago, I had to buy an expensive and far too powerful video card for most of the games that take up my time . A 3050 next to igp was better (old games, melancholy). I was aiming for a 3060 (Ti) for a spare.
If you are pressed by the budget, there is a saying: I am too poor to make compromises. It should be taken into account when making a purchase that involves financial effort. You never know when you will need the new technologies and then you will regret it.

Nope. VRAM affects the game's primary artwork textures and it shouldn't be lower than $399 PS5 console's texture artwork results. RT's detail settings can be reduced and shouldn't be lower than PS5 / XSX consoles' RT efforts.

 

[kapone32]

Gica is just a symptom of the lack of polite disagreement and rationality that has become distressingly common. It's possible for reasonable people to disagree without trading insults, but the anonymity on the Internet makes loudmouths of most people.

I had no idea it would get this bad. TPU used to be so nice. Someone asks a question and you get people sharing their knowledge of such, reading data and real support. Now that only really happens with people with zero knowledge trying to copy CPU, GPU OCs they see on Youtube.

 

[ValenOne]

Are you serious? There is a lot of propaganda in the World of tech reviews but to say that all reviewers are idiots and you are some sage by showing a 4 FPS difference between the 2 technologies in a Game sponsored by Nvidia establishes nothing, can you actually feel 4 FPS? It does not matter anyway when I am enjoying my library after I go to the Grocery store to get a few beers for tonight's session. The last thing I will be thinking about is DLSS vs FSR.

It is actually sad as I cannot fathom your unwavering disdain for anything AMD and your blind support for Nvidia. I was burned by nvidia and that is why I don't use them but I don't go out of my way to bash everything they do like some schoolyard rivalry. The thing is these are inert products of sand that satisfy an itch that is fine with either one and all we do in some cases is repeat marketing.

My gaming HTPC in place of PS5 / XSX.... One of the fastest RTX 3070 Ti out-of-the-box OC AIB models runs out of VRAM.

NVIDIA's marketing for RTX 3070 8 GB is superior over RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB. RTX 2080 Ti's higher 11 GB VRAM enables better fine-wine behavior when compared to RTX 3070 Ti.

NVIDIA's 8 GB VRAM marketing above or at PS5's price is BS.

I owned
GTX 980 Ti 6 GB (sold)
GTX 1080 Ti 11 GB (sold)
RTX 2080 8 GB (sold)
RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB (sold)
RTX 3070 Ti 8GB, upper floor HTPC with HDMI 2.1 requirement.
RTX 3080 Ti 12 GB two units. Sold one of them. RX 7900 XT is incoming to replace RTX 3070 Ti 8GB in the upper floor gaming HTPC. A ground-floor gaming PC with RTX 3080 Ti.
RTX 4080 16 GB, Gaming PC, Blender 3D, and video editing box.
RTX 4090 24 GB, Gaming PC, Blender 3D / DAZ 3D / Unreal Engine 5, and video editing box.
GTX 1660 Super, two units for IGP less Ryzens for office PC and ground floor HTPC.
My last AMD GPU was R9 290X 4 GB OC
I can prove my ownership of these GPU cards with invoices.

 

[AnotherReader]

I had no idea it would get this bad. TPU used to be so nice. Someone asks a question and you get people sharing their knowledge of such, reading data and real support. Now that only really happens with people with zero knowledge trying to copy CPU, GPU OCs they see on Youtube.

There are still people who try to argue constructively or inform. It also depends upon the thread: any thread with Intel, AMD or Nvidia tends to bring out the irrational fanboys. I won't deny my own bias towards AMD for various reasons, but that doesn't mean I can't see merit in a logical argument. I can only hope that these people grow up and realize that a difference in opinion isn't always a clarion call for a shouting match.

 

[Gica]

Are you serious? There is a lot of propaganda in the World of tech reviews but to say that all reviewers are idiots and you are some sage by showing a 4 FPS difference between the 2 technologies in a Game sponsored by Nvidia establishes nothing, can you actually feel 4 FPS? It does not matter anyway when I am enjoying my library after I go to the Grocery store to get a few beers for tonight's session. The last thing I will be thinking about is DLSS vs FSR.

It is actually sad as I cannot fathom your unwavering disdain for anything AMD and your blind support for Nvidia. I was burned by nvidia and that is why I don't use them but I don't go out of my way to bash everything they do like some schoolyard rivalry. The thing is these are inert products of sand that satisfy an itch that is fine with either one and all we do in some cases is repeat marketing.

No offense to any reviewer, just irony. All reviewers praised RT and DLSS, only AMD fans blame these implementations.
Even in the post from which I quoted you, you had something that denied their importance. There are dozens on this very topic, including the term "idiot" for those who buy nVidia graphics cards.
There are thousands of games on the market, some of them free. You don't need 2342343 vRAM to play them, but the GPU can cause you problems. Even if you deny it, the reality is that the 6700 XT cannot render new AAA games at an acceptable fps when you use everything to the maximum. All the reviews from November 2022 until now prove this truth.
The rest is bullshit.
One question: you had an RX 6000, right? From the future, as you say. Why did you change it?

Nope. VRAM affects the game's primary artwork textures and it shouldn't be lower than $399 PS5 console's texture artwork results. RT's detail settings can be reduced and shouldn't be lower than PS5 / XSX consoles' RT efforts.

Four battles today, four victories, four 1st place. All with the settings from the capture. As in CS and many others, high details confuse you more. Choose low, at most middle. Framerate matters.
It's the kind of game where you focus 100% on the enemy and the minimap, you don't admire the leaves on the trees and how much texture the balcony girls have in their makeup.

What to do? Should I buy a more expensive video card, with tons of vRAM + $50-70 (minimum) for each game that doesn't appeal to me, or should I play the titles I like and that's why I bought them?

How many times do I have to say that the best video card is the one that suits you?

There are still people who try to argue constructively or inform. It also depends upon the thread: any thread with Intel, AMD or Nvidia tends to bring out the irrational fanboys. I won't deny my own bias towards AMD for various reasons, but that doesn't mean I can't see merit in a logical argument. I can only hope that these people grow up and realize that a difference in opinion isn't always a clarion call for a shouting match.

You are big! Talk to someone for whom DLSS and RT is shit and praises AMD on all channels.

From a review from Ro, highly appreciated by us, two ideas are extracted. I should mention that he criticizes both releases, not praises .
1. 4060 Ti: play and fun
2. 7600: driver crash and many headaches.
Do you think it doesn't matter to many? How many know how to solve these problems? I put something into AMD precisely because of the drivers, but lately the non-3D extra options of the video cards are also very important to me. In both chapters, nVidia has no rival in AMD. Consider it what you want, fanboism or whatever, but to be tied only to vRAM when choosing a video card seems childish to me.

 

[AnotherReader]

You are big! Talk to someone for whom DLSS and RT is shit and praises AMD on all channels.

If you have a point, state it without name calling; I'm not your opponent in a CSGO match.

From a review from Ro, highly appreciated by us, two ideas are extracted. I should mention that he criticizes both releases, not praises .
1. 4060 Ti: play and fun
2. 7600: driver crash and many headaches.
Do you think it doesn't matter to many? How many know how to solve these problems? I put something into AMD precisely because of the drivers, but lately the non-3D extra options of the video cards are also very important to me. In both chapters, nVidia has no rival in AMD. Consider it what you want, fanboism or whatever, but to be tied only to vRAM when choosing a video card seems childish to me.

Thanks for summarizing the review by Ro. It's good to see you contribute to the discussion instead of throwing tantrums. You have stated the reasons for your preference, and that is fine. You have your preference and I have mine; btw, lack of VRAM also affects the non 3D uses. AI training often is held back by a lack of VRAM. Puget Systems, not known for their bias, go on to state:

8GB of memory per GPU is considered minimal and could definitely be a limitation for lots of applications. 12 to 24GB is fairly common, and readily available on high-end video cards. For larger data problems, the 48GB available on the NVIDIA RTX A6000 may be necessary – but it is not commonly needed.

Keep in mind that this article is from a time when the 3090 was top dog. I wager that they would recommend the 48 GB option in stronger terms now. Another example is StableLM from StableAI. The full model doesn't even run on GPUs with 16 GB of VRAM.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Learn
RTX 2070: Oct 17, 2018
RTX 2070 Super: July 9, 2019
RX 5700 XT: July 7, 2019
Only two days between the Super and RX launches

The argument since then: 2070 Super is 20% more expensive and offers "only" 10% more performance. Shit argument of AMD fans, like now. Ah, RT is poop. Like now. DLSS came later and was childishly denigrated by the same fans. Nothing from nVidia is good, all the reviewers are idiots.

Do you think it matters how long the DLSS will last, since almost three years have passed since the launch of the 3000 series? In a year it will be history and in two it will be a fossil. The life of video cards is very short when you have demands for details and high resolutions.
Even if, we activate FSR, no problem. Can you activate DLSS if FSR dies?

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There's a reason we're upto Dlss 3

Nvidia are full of it.

Every version was the best thing since sliced bread.

No, every version was solely to push sales and make up for lack luster raster performance due to them leaning on they're consumer's to front prosumers tech R and D costs.

You all fronted the testing , money and tech so Nvidia could AI boom the gaming market into irrelevance to them.

Anyways the 4060Ti will be remembered for what most see it as, a cash grab on a 4050.

Then it's defender's will in retrospect look silly.

Just like anyone saying the 6400XT was ok or 2k is gaming GPU territory.

Yeah Nvidia can sell each chip for more in pro form, that just means fans can eat the price or not

No offense to any reviewer, just irony. All reviewers praised RT and DLSS, only AMD fans blame these implementations.
Even in the post from which I quoted you, you had something that denied their importance. There are dozens on this very topic, including the term "idiot" for those who buy nVidia graphics cards.
There are thousands of games on the market, some of them free. You don't need 2342343 vRAM to play them, but the GPU can cause you problems. Even if you deny it, the reality is that the 6700 XT cannot render new AAA games at an acceptable fps when you use everything to the maximum. All the reviews from November 2022 until now prove this truth.
The rest is bullshit.
One question: you had an RX 6000, right? From the future, as you say. Why did you change it?


Four battles today, four victories, four 1st place. All with the settings from the capture. As in CS and many others, high details confuse you more. Choose low, at most middle. Framerate matters.
It's the kind of game where you focus 100% on the enemy and the minimap, you don't admire the leaves on the trees and how much texture the balcony girls have in their makeup.

What to do? Should I buy a more expensive video card, with tons of vRAM + $50-70 (minimum) for each game that doesn't appeal to me, or should I play the titles I like and that's why I bought them?

How many times do I have to say that the best video card is the one that suits you?

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You are big! Talk to someone for whom DLSS and RT is shit and praises AMD on all channels.

From a review from Ro, highly appreciated by us, two ideas are extracted. I should mention that he criticizes both releases, not praises .
1. 4060 Ti: play and fun
2. 7600: driver crash and many headaches.
Do you think it doesn't matter to many? How many know how to solve these problems? I put something into AMD precisely because of the drivers, but lately the non-3D extra options of the video cards are also very important to me. In both chapters, nVidia has no rival in AMD. Consider it what you want, fanboism or whatever, but to be tied only to vRAM when choosing a video card seems childish to me.

To be tied only by your own, low detail, high refresh FPS gaming style, gaming perspective, then imply your right in all your use cases permanently backing your own personal affinity with a brand isn't fanboi bs to you, because this card can't actually even DO what I'd want my dirt rally 2 sessions use 12GB of Vram, so IMHO these cards Are crap , does my absolute perspective make my thoughts right for everyone, no, though in this turd 4050's case it should.

You do you but stick your low details crap to yourself.

Regardless of your opinion and Ro I still used AMD 7### gen for Many months and if you leave it stock I had NO issues.

Tune it like a fool and you then get issues.
Tune your AMD memory beyond your IMC ability and you can have issues.

Use it right you'll have few, ironically same with this turd card, stick to old games at 1080p med/high details and your fine no worries.

 

[95Viper]

There has been enough of the insulting behavior.

Thread closed.