AMD Radeon RX 7600

[Minus Infinity]

$270.

holy hell, AMD actually did it. They remembered how to compete!

In what, the Paralympics. Crippled garbage worthy of a 7500XT naming. This full fat N33 die and it brings virtually nothing over 6650XT other than bit better RTing.

 

[N3M3515]

24%? There's no situation that this GPU is 24% faster than a full die Navi 23.



Yes I can and I just did, I'm not interested in fantasy product names and have never been. This is a full die Navi 33, which makes it a functional equivalent of the 6650 XT.

Comparing it to a clock reduced, die harvested version of its predecessor because it lacks a "XT" in its fantasy name is simply denial and lying to yourself. It won't make things look better than they currently are.

You'll overcome the stages of grief eventually, I suppose.

We'll see who is right if the 7600 XT is or isn't released then.

 

[AlwaysHope]

My comment reserved until I see actual retail pricing of this product here from Australian retailers. Atm, nothing there.

Edit: a quick check reveals 4060 TI @ AUD $600-730!. 7600 better be cheaper to be competitive at least here in this market.

 

[Godrilla]

FYI you can buy a 6750 xt as low as $319.99 with a game ( $60 in value) that comes with 12 gig of vram that will dunk on the 4060ti, 6700xt and 7600xt. https://www.newegg.com/msi-rx-6750-xt-mech-2x-12g-oc/p/N82E16814137735
The current gen is intentionally being priced to make the previous gen stock more attractive.

 

[dlgh7]

In what, the Paralympics. Crippled garbage worthy of a 7500XT naming. This full fat N33 die and it brings virtually nothing over 6650XT other than bit better RTing.

Yeah AMD is following Nvidia's lead. At least I guess they are doing it at a much lower price point. The 4060 Ti should of been a 4050 and priced at $300 or less. Just like this 7600 should of been a 7500 and priced at maybe $200. This is the reason I finally just went all in on consoles. I know what I get with them and can play at 4k. Maybe not high frame rate but I mean these $400-$500 cards from Nvidia are not good beyond 1080p hardly anyways. $500 is a PS5 with a disc drive. I have been building computers since the 486 Dx2 days but until this nonsense ends I won't be spending money on gaming computers and for rest of the work like DaVinci resolve and what not I might just either get a Mini Forum mini computer or a Mac Mini.

 

[Dr. Dro]

We'll see who is right if the 7600 XT is or isn't released then.

As I and others have stated in the thread before, considering this is already a fully enabled Navi 23 die, there are only a few configurations possible for a 7600 XT:

1. Retains the fully enabled Navi 23 die, increases its power budget considerably, lifts the imposed OC lock and comes in a 16 GB configuration (most likely)
2. It is a heavily crippled, very low quality Navi 32 die with a few memory controllers disabled (eg. Just like the 5600 XT used to be a heavily cut-down 10) - absence of Navi 32 (which is heavily delayed or potentially cancelled) makes this an unlikely and particularly late SKU as it would rely on Navi 32 dies that do not meet quality standards
3. It is simply a 16 GB 7600
4. Same as option 1 but retaining a 8 GB configuration (would be a bad deal, so hopefully not)

I find it extremely unlikely it will be anything else

 

[N3M3515]

As I and others have stated in the thread before, considering this is already a fully enabled Navi 23 die, there are only a few configurations possible for a 7600 XT:

1. Retains the fully enabled Navi 23 die, increases its power budget considerably, lifts the imposed OC lock and comes in a 16 GB configuration (most likely)
2. It is a heavily crippled, very low quality Navi 32 die with a few memory controllers disabled (eg. Just like the 5600 XT used to be a heavily cut-down 10) - absence of Navi 32 (which is heavily delayed or potentially cancelled) makes this an unlikely and particularly late SKU as it would rely on Navi 32 dies that do not meet quality standards
3. It is simply a 16 GB 7600

I find it extremely unlikely it will be anything else

As i said before, time will tell. I already took a sc.

 

[mechtech]

@W1zzard

Great reviews

Any chance of getting the RX 580 & GTX 1060/1660 in there?

Also I notice fps is now sorted from highest to lowest..........wasn't it traditionally sorted from lowest to highest fps card?

Will you be doing any AV1 testing?

Cheers

 

[sepheronx]

My comment reserved until I see actual retail pricing of this product here from Australian retailers. Atm, nothing there.

Edit: a quick check reveals 4060 TI @ AUD $600-730!. 7600 better be cheaper to be competitive at least here in this market.

How much is a PS5 or Series X in the land of down under?

 

[jsven008]

Looks like you're going to be the minority here mate. Very brave.

All I've been reading is another card release getting bashed. What a surprise.

It's a great card for three reasons:
a) It offers a 25% performance improvement over the prior gen RX 6600. It's improved over the RX 6600 in several major areas, and although the changes may be small, they cumulatively add up to a big performance difference. Better ray tracing, better AI computing (50%+), more compute units (32 vs 28), a higher clock frequency (2655 vs 2491), more stream processors (2048 vs 1792), faster memory (18Gbps vs 14) etc.
b) Despite inflation, it starts at a relatively low MSRP of $269. Despite inflation, AMD has managed to offer the card for a low MSRP of $269, $60 cheaper than the RX 6600 MSRP of $329. Consumer items such as homes and cars are now substantially more expensive than they used to be. The same for graphics cards, they are also more expensive to produce than they used to be. Despite a huge CPI inflation rate of 7% from 2022 to 2023, AMD has kept costs low. In addition, AMD will quickly offer it with free games, rebates, and price drops to further improve the deal.
c) It offers a lot of small improvements which collectively add up in a big way. Substantially better ray tracing? Check. Much better AI Imaging? Check. Much better 1080P performance? Check (25%+). Much better overall performance? Check. Faster memory? Check. New features such as DisplayPort 2.1? Check. More energy-efficient 6nm? Check. All the improvements cumulatively add up in a large way.

P.S. I am not affiliated with AMD in any way. Overall, it's just a very solid card for the price. Could it possibly be better? Sure. Perfection is very difficult to achieve.

*Source of RX 7600 vs RX 6600 performance: Techspot (since the RX 6600 was not included in TPU review)

 

[RDNAuser]

"P.S. I am not affiliated with AMD in any way. Overall, it's just a very solid card for the price. Could it possibly be better? Sure. Perfection is very difficult to achieve."

ROFL yeah 4% in real world performance sure seems like those number you made up.

 

[jsven008]

"P.S. I am not affiliated with AMD in any way. Overall, it's just a very solid card for the price. Could it possibly be better? Sure. Perfection is very difficult to achieve."

ROFL yeah 4% in real world performance sure seems like those number you made up.

Techspot determined the 1080P average of 15 games as 88fps for the RX7600 and 71fps for the RX6600.

17/71 * 100 = 24%

You forgot the 2 in front of the four. Yes its ~25% faster than the RX6600 at 1080P.

 

[Legacy-ZA]

RX 7600 makes RX 6700 10GB and RX 6700 XT 12GB more attractive

I think this could be the whole idea of why both companies' latest products are trash compared to the previous generations, they can control the production of the latest cards, while they can't anymore with the older ones, they all still have a surplus from the previous generations due to mining.

The goal is to keep the prices high, people will buy the older ones and set a new standard on pricing going forward (which won't end well, overpriced trash is just that, trash) the ones that don't need to worry about money, will buy the latest toy no matter what, so they can charge w/e and they get a good uplift while the general market get's the finger.

 

[W1zzard]

Why is there no Arc 770??

Ah shit .. when I rendered the charts I forgot to include the Arc .. this has been added now, also added RX 6600 non-XT

Also I notice fps is now sorted from highest to lowest..........wasn't it traditionally sorted from lowest to highest fps card?

I changed that with the 2023 retest, it's more natural now, took me a bit time to get used to though

Will you be doing any AV1 testing?

No plans, not even sure what to test, I assume it just works?

Any chance of getting the RX 580 & GTX 1060/1660 in there?

These are very slow, like 50% of 7600. While I have data for 1660 (see the summaries), I'd have to spend 5 hours on testing 580 and 1060, not sure if I can justify 10 hours, when leaving for Computex on Sunday and still mountains of work

 

[Chomiq]

Waste of sand.

 

[HD64G]

Dude, are you OK? Like, can you feel your arm, or count backwards from 10? Because I have no idea what you are babbling about. The original comment was on how GPUs are stagnating like CPUs did in the 2010s, and thus they are at least lasting longer, and somehow you have translated this as "bad" because a $1000 CPU existed. That literally has nothing to do with the situation and you are making yourself look like a total fool.

Like I have mentioned multiple times, Hardware unboxed did a revisit of the 8GB 3070 and found it to be woefully lacking. Since you are unable to understand how searches work, I found it for you:

You can also look up the review of the 7600 by techspot

AMD Radeon RX 7600 Review

AMD's new Radeon RX 7600 is a new mainstream GPU offering that is not unlike Nvidia's recent RTX 4060 Ti release - there's actually a decent product...

www.techspot.com

Quote: "The 7600 takes the lead over the 6650 XT at 1440p, but these results are somewhat skewed as the 7600 consistently had missing textures in this test. This is a common issue for all 8GB models, leading to inconsistent memory management and unreliable results."

Any other questions?

To end this discussion, let me reinstate my opinions.

GPU market stagnation in the last 2 years is less worse than what we had in the CPU market when AMD has the same arch for 5 years and Intel released CPUs yearly with just +5% increase in performance at crazy prices.

My argument was that a $1000 cpu that was demolished in 2 years by a new and much cheaper one was much worse than the best vfm GPU for years MSRP-wise. And you didn't agree. So, who is the one not getting what the onter wrote?

As for the 8GB VRAM not being enough, I said that, for $270 the customers don't expect the ultra settings to run greatly, so they are willing to lower those a bit and then the problem of the limited VRAM is vanished. While higher tier GPUs like the 4060Ti priced +50% to 7600 aren't excused if this happens. Again, who cannot comprehend properly?

 

[Chrispy_]

As I and others have stated in the thread before, considering this is already a fully enabled Navi 23 die, there are only a few configurations possible for a 7600 XT:

1. Retains the fully enabled Navi 23 die, increases its power budget considerably, lifts the imposed OC lock and comes in a 16 GB configuration (most likely)
2. It is a heavily crippled, very low quality Navi 32 die with a few memory controllers disabled (eg. Just like the 5600 XT used to be a heavily cut-down 10) - absence of Navi 32 (which is heavily delayed or potentially cancelled) makes this an unlikely and particularly late SKU as it would rely on Navi 32 dies that do not meet quality standards
3. It is simply a 16 GB 7600
4. Same as option 1 but retaining a 8 GB configuration (would be a bad deal, so hopefully not)

I find it extremely unlikely it will be anything else

I suspect there is an option 5 - there won't be a 7600XT

Right up until about two weeks ago, this was going to be called the 7600XT and presumably the performance wasn't good enough to call it that, so they removed the XT to try and get reviews to focus on its improvement over the 6600.

The problem is that the driver codename for this exact silicon config on the mobile side is Navi 33 XT (in the RX 6700M XT). It isn't the harvested 28CU XL silicon like you would expect from a 7600 and a 7600M, Everything about this product was XT until we saw leaks with specs in photos of the retail box a couple of weeks ago.

Could AMD be pulling a "Polaris" and hiding 36CUs in the silicon, with the 7600 only using 32 of them like the RX470/570? I don't think so. We'd have seen a 36CU laptop part already if that were the case. IMO this was always going to be the 7600XT and it didn't perform well enough to justify the name, or the intended $300 price point that was only changed 48 hours ago in a disorganised panic.

 

[tvshacker]

I suspect there is an option 5 - there won't be a 7600XT

Right up until about two weeks ago, this was going to be called the 7600XT and presumably the performance wasn't good enough to call it that, so they removed the XT to try and get reviews to focus on its improvement over the 6600.

The problem is that the driver codename for this exact silicon config on the mobile side is Navi 33 XT (in the RX 6700M XT). It isn't the harvested 28CU XL silicon like you would expect from a 7600 and a 7600M, Everything about this product was XT until we saw leaks with specs in photos of the retail box a couple of weeks ago.

Could AMD be pulling a "Polaris" and hiding 36CUs in the silicon, with the 7600 only using 32 of them like the RX470/570? I don't think so. We'd have seen a 36CU laptop part already if that were the case. IMO this was always going to be the 7600XT and it didn't perform well enough to justify the name, or the intended $300 price point that was only changed 48 hours ago in a disorganised panic.

The name change was definitely earlier. We've been seeing box leaks without the XT for a while now (weeks).

 

[Dr. Dro]

I suspect there is an option 5 - there won't be a 7600XT

Right up until about two weeks ago, this was going to be called the 7600XT and presumably the performance wasn't good enough to call it that, so they removed the XT to try and get reviews to focus on its improvement over the 6600.

The problem is that the driver codename for this exact silicon config on the mobile side is Navi 33 XT (in the RX 6700M XT). It isn't the harvested 28CU XL silicon like you would expect from a 7600 and a 7600M, Everything about this product was XT until we saw leaks with specs in photos of the retail box a couple of weeks ago.

Could AMD be pulling a "Polaris" and hiding 36CUs in the silicon, with the 7600 only using 32 of them like the RX470/570? I don't think so. We'd have seen a 36CU laptop part already if that were the case. IMO this was always going to be the 7600XT and it didn't perform well enough to justify the name, or the intended $300 price point that was only changed 48 hours ago in a disorganised panic.

The GPU DB tends to be pretty accurate, and this is the full config N33. There's no doubt about it, there are no compute units left to enable.

The earliest rumors I heard about it were indeed about this being called 7600 XT @ $330, then it was changed to 7600 a few weeks ago when the box art for Sapphire's card leaked, then the pricing rumors about $300 started, NVIDIA announced the 4060 at $300 and they made a last-minute price cut to make it more enticing.

 

[HD64G]

I guess that 6nm TSMC has great yields so they wouldn't have enough low binned dies for a cut-down N33. So, the next N32-based GPU could be the 7700(XT) and another one the 7800XT that might be the even more cut-down N31 (what 6800 has been for N31) or the full enabled N32 if the 7700 uses a cut-down die. No need to have more models than those in such tight pricing tiers imho.

 

[Forza.Milan]

Hopes are back to the Last Generation, every of new generation has been assimilated..

 

[Taisho]

Well I think I remember the 6600 MSRP was $330. So this has a new media engine, more performance 2 more years of inflation and MSRP is $270. I don’t see anything to complain about. That’s about $365 CAD which is what some 6600 are going for here. Seems like a win to consumers to me.

Just no! The MSRP of 6600 was this high only due to the launch during the crypto boom and GPU shortage. In a normal situation, it wouldn't sell at all. 3060 12GB had the same MSRP, but higher performance, more VRAM, and all the NVIDIA goodies, together with better drivers. Since 2 weeks I see the sales of 6600 at just below $200, so it's a much better reference point.

This is not an XT card and should not be compared to the 6600XT much less the 6650XT when the 6600 exists as a card.

In other words, you're saying that one should under no circumstances compare similarly priced GPUs like 7600 and 6650 XT, but according to the seller's intent, compare against a worse-performing 6600. Preferably ignoring its $200 market price and sticking to its crypto-inflated MSRP from 2 years ago.

Also, you seem completely unaware of the fact that the 7600 is a rebranded 7600 XT that takes a full Navi 33 die. Just like its 6600 XT predecessor. It was an emergency decision taken when the Navi 3 performance was so far off the targets that as you can see the full Navi 33 can just barely beat the 6650 XT. 7600 is basically a mostly unsuccessful 6650 XT refresh in 6nm. The efficiency gain from 5+6nm that comes with 7900XTX and XT (and is still inferior to Ada) is nowhere to be found.

 

[Chrispy_]

The GPU DB tends to be pretty accurate, and this is the full config N33. There's no doubt about it, there are no compute units left to enable.

The earliest rumors I heard about it were indeed about this being called 7600 XT @ $330, then it was changed to 7600 a few weeks ago when the box art for Sapphire's card leaked, then the pricing rumors about $300 started, NVIDIA announced the 4060 at $300 and they made a last-minute price cut to make it more enticing.

MLID proved once again that his sources were accurate. He suggested $269 was coming 2 weeks ago when the rumour that $330 was being dropped to $300 and that based on performance it would have to drop to $270 to be competitive.

For some reason, people here seem to hate him but he does cite actual interviews you can watch for yourself and gets info direct from manufacturers and AMD/Nvidia themselves. 9/10 times he's right or at least closer to right than other leakers - likely because his guesses are guided by information he personally sourced from an industry contact rather than riding the hype train.

It's also curious watching the streamers like LTT, GN, J2C, HUB etc all comment that AMD were talking to them pre-launch about what they thought of the 7600 price. Clearly AMD talks to journalist to get feedback and there's a lot of back-and-forth with journalists before the final prices are decided on.

 

[Dr. Dro]

MLID proved once again that his sources were accurate. He suggested $269 was coming 2 weeks ago when the rumour that $330 was being dropped to $300 and that based on performance it would have to drop to $270 to be competitive.

For some reason, people here seem to hate him but he does cite actual interviews you can watch for yourself and gets info direct from manufacturers and AMD/Nvidia themselves. 9/10 times he's right or at least closer to right than other leakers - likely because his guesses are guided by information he personally sourced from an industry contact rather than riding the hype train.

It's also curious watching the streamers like LTT, GN, J2C, HUB etc all comment that AMD were talking to them pre-launch about what they thought of the 7600 price. Clearly AMD talks to journalist to get feedback and there's a lot of back-and-forth with journalists before the final prices are decided on.

Mmmm, there's one thing to consider though. 30 is 10% of 300. 10% is a pretty common discount.

It's quite possible AMD made a last-minute decision after speaking to their accountants and ended up taking $30 out of their own cut to lower the price here. At least the emails that GN published on his video seem to indicate as such. Shifted dates, price uncertainties, etc.

 

[Chrispy_]

Well I think I remember the 6600 MSRP was $330. So this has a new media engine, more performance 2 more years of inflation and MSRP is $270. I don’t see anything to complain about. That’s about $365 CAD which is what some 6600 are going for here. Seems like a win to consumers to me.

MRSPs for the 6000-series were universally criticised in every review as BS, and that entire generation failed to hold MSRP even before the ETH mining boom was over - simply because the older-gen cards like the 5700XT were much better miners.

AMD tried to cash-grab because of the mining boom, and all it did was make their lineup look overpriced at launch, and get scathing reviews because of the high MSRP.

Now that their RDNA3 cards are underwhelming and underperforming, they're going back to their unjustifiably (and unrealistically) high MSRPs from the bad old days and waving that around as their defense! HUB on youtube does great monthly GPU pricing updates and you can see going back nearly three years that the real price of the 6600 has been under $250 (newegg) for about 9 months since ETH mining ended, and for the last 7 months it's been under $220. That $330 price was bogus from day one, even in the height of ETH mining so you cannot trust the marketing lies!

Mmmm, there's one thing to consider though. 30 is 10% of 300. 10% is a pretty common discount.

It's quite possible AMD made a last-minute decision after speaking to their accountants and ended up taking $30 out of their own cut to lower the price here. At least the emails that GN published on his video seem to indicate as such. Shifted dates, price uncertainties, etc.

Correct, but MLID was citing a discussion with AMD partners and being told that the margins were still very healthy at $269.
If that's true, then $300 was just a pure cash grab trying to do the bare minimum to bring anything new to the market.

The disappointing performance (it's a lot less than the 10-15% faster than a 6650XT that everyone expected) means that they have to adjust the price downwards to compete with all the unsold new stock at $250 and all of the used cards at under $200. Nvidia's not their competitor, Nvidia is riding the exploitation train this gen - The real competition is all their own RDNA2 stock both on the store shelves and also the used market.