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I mean, it's a valid point, it's just that I never saw any embedded processor or system which wasn't BGA based and this includes the previous generation Ryzen Embedded processors.

At those clock rates and TDP ratings, it seems that these are literally just regular desktop processors segmented and reserved for the enterprise market, but I'm just dumbfounded about it, what embedded application wants a 16-core, 105-watt socketed CPU? :confused: :confused:
First thing that comes to mind... "Video Gaming Machines"
IDK about 'today' but last time I was in a casino I was both amazed and distraught over just how much graphical and computing power was being used in friggin slot machines
 
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You shound try reading what you've written every now and then :laugh:.

Anyway, glad you're happy with your 6+6 :laugh:.

Yes, you can tell the difference between different FPS, and latency differences of single vs dual CCD CPUs, even if you've got a monitor thats low refresh rate, just to clear that up :p.

Difference is $50 and $100 BTW.
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This is Newegg Canada (Where I live)




$939, $719, $599 which is better? That is the price in Canada for AM5 Vcache Cpus. The 7900X is $559 and the 7900 is $539.

So with Tax

7950X3D: $1061.07

7900X3D: $812.47

7900X3D: $676.87

That is over $200 (almost $250) for 4 more cores and $135 less for 4 less cores. What is the value in that equation? If the single CCD was as drastic as you describe there would be no one buying them. Right now the 5800X3D is still over $400. If they release a 5600X3D it should be at least $100 cheaper. Combine that with cheaper and cheaper X570 boards and you see a viable upgrade path for Gamers that are on X370, B450, or even B550 as storage is the best value right now in Computing

When I bought mine it was $799 and the 7950X3D was $1099. You can check the launch price in Canada if you want.
 
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First thing that comes to mind... "Video Gaming Machines"
IDK about 'today' but last time I was in a casino I was both amazed and distraught over just how much graphical and computing power was being used in friggin slot machines

I dunno man, you can run pretty much any game off a 35W CPU with a 60 fps target, so it seems really odd. But if these CPUs do indeed end up being used in arcade boards, then I suppose we will have some pretty amazing arcade games coming up. Shame none of them will be cooler than an After Burner II deluxe cabinet. :laugh:
 

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$939, $719, $599 which is better? That is the price in Canada for AM5 Vcache Cpus. The 7900X is $559 and the 7900 is $539.

So with Tax

7950X3D: $1061.07

7900X3D: $812.47

7900X3D: $676.87

That is over $200 (almost $250) for 4 more cores and $135 less for 4 less cores. What is the value in that equation? If the single CCD was as drastic as you describe there would be no one buying them. Right now the 5800X3D is still over $400. If they release a 5600X3D it should be at least $100 cheaper. Combine that with cheaper and cheaper X570 boards and you see a viable upgrade path for Gamers that are on X370, B450, or even B550 as storage is the best value right now in Computing

When I bought mine it was $799 and the 7950X3D was $1099. You can check the launch price in Canada if you want.
So, $100 and $50 in USD?
 
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So, by AMD's own Press Release, AM4 will not EoL until ~2028.
No no no. I'm not talking about releasing CPUs that have taped out years ago. That will last for a very very long time. AM4/Zen 3 is also super popular and will print money until 2025 easily.

I'm talking about R&D going back to the drawing board for new CPUs. That bit doesn't make sense.
R&D -> Tape Out -> Production -> Reach target inventory -> Release to reviewers/distribute to sellers -> Resupply sellers

Starting with "Order production", 90% of the job belongs to TSMC. TSMC doesn't care to produce stuff that's 10 years old. Their machines do the job anyway.
R&D to tape out is a completely different business. You could say that the red part is AMD and the black is TSMC.
I can absolutely see AM4 lasting until 2028, heck you can find AM3 hardware in some places. I don't think you'll find ANYTHING like AMD bothering to bring people back into R&D work for AM4 an entire year after their last CPU taped out. Everyone is on DDR5, AM5-based stuff or other server sockets. The DDR4 era is dead and gone. It'd make no sense to go to back there.
 
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No no no. I'm not talking about releasing CPUs that have taped out years ago. That will last for a very very long time. AM4/Zen 3 is also super popular and will print money until 2025 easily.

I'm talking about R&D going back to the drawing board for new CPUs. That bit doesn't make sense.
R&D -> Tape Out -> Production -> Reach target inventory -> Release to reviewers/distribute to sellers -> Resupply sellers

Starting with "Order production", 90% of the job belongs to TSMC. TSMC doesn't care to produce stuff that's 10 years old. Their machines do the job anyway.
R&D to tape out is a completely different business. You could say that the red part is AMD and the black is TSMC.
I can absolutely see AM4 lasting until 2028, heck you can find AM3 hardware in some places. I don't think you'll find ANYTHING like AMD bothering to bring people back into R&D work for AM4 an entire year after their last CPU taped out. Everyone is on DDR5, AM5-based stuff or other server sockets. The DDR4 era is dead and gone. It'd make no sense to go to back there.

That's the thing with this rumored CPU...
The prospective/rumored 5600X3D isn't anything actually new. As others have posited, it could easily be 'poorly binning' 5800X3Ds.
It was heavily implied (to the verge of a promise) that there'd be additional AM4 X3D Vcache CPUs; that was well over a year+ ago. There's no R&D, etc. going on with this rumor.

(It's really not at all uncommon for embedded/industrial products to 'not go EoL' until years after the consumer line-up is 'retired from mainline sales'.
So, towards your PoV: AM4-consumer may be EoL'd well-before AM4 in its entirety is EoL'd)
I dunno man, you can run pretty much any game off a 35W CPU with a 60 fps target, so it seems really odd. But if these CPUs do indeed end up being used in arcade boards, then I suppose we will have some pretty amazing arcade games coming up. Shame none of them will be cooler than an After Burner II deluxe cabinet. :laugh:

Not arcades. "Gaming" in a multi-national corporate sense means "Gambling".

I first became aware of this when I was stumbling upon odd SKU graphics cards and embedded boards, years ago.
Like you, at first I thought I'd stumbled upon 'arcade' parts; nope, slot- and video poker machines...

I was last in a casino over 2 years ago, and some of the machines were easily 2+ years old at that time. However, even the 'most basic, modern' video slot machine was clearly using a laundry-list of post-processing effects, and some even "3D displays" with very high DPIs.
Also, all those machines at least looked like they were solid 60+hz/fps; the animations were VERY smooth (probably to emulate a real slot machine, lol).

Ya don't think about it much-ever, but it's staggering the amount graphical horsepower needed for 'simple' electronic gambling machines. (...and that's just the US-prospective. IIRC, Pachinko machines are big on graphics too)
 

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They should make a final, badass CPU for AM4.

Like a 5950X3D that can do high fclk/mclk.. as well as be able to be PBO tuned with override.. and can directly compete with 13th Gen in everything :)

For something this special, it must cost 1000USD :D
 
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They should make a final, badass CPU for AM4.

Like a 5950X3D that can do high fclk/mclk.. as well as be able to be PBO tuned with override.. and can directly compete with 13th Gen in everything :)

For something this special, it must cost 1000USD :D

While that sounds absolutely ridiculous today, AMD has done stuff like that in the past.

IIRC, more than a couple (K8) FX CPUs were released towards the very end of the platform's sales-life. (not to mention K8 FX on S940; which, is "like, totally forgotten" and had but a 'blink' of existence and sales)
Markets have changed a lot since then, however.
 
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That's the thing with this rumored CPU...
The prospective/rumored 5600X3D isn't anything actually new. As others have posited, it could easily be 'poorly binning' 5800X3Ds.
It was heavily implied (to the verge of a promise) that there'd be additional AM4 X3D Vcache CPUs; that was well over a year+ ago. There's no R&D, etc. going on with this rumor.

(It's really not at all uncommon for embedded/industrial products to 'not go EoL' until years after the consumer line-up is 'retired from mainline sales'.
So, towards your PoV: AM4-consumer may be EoL'd well-before AM4 in its entirety is EoL'd)


Not arcades. "Gaming" in a multi-national corporate sense means "Gambling".

I first became aware of this when I was stumbling upon odd SKU graphics cards and embedded boards, years ago.
Like you, at first I thought I'd stumbled upon 'arcade' parts; nope, slot- and video poker machines...

I was last in a casino over 2 years ago, and some of the machines were easily 2+ years old at that time. However, even the 'most basic, modern' video slot machine was clearly using a laundry-list of post-processing effects, and some even "3D displays" with very high DPIs.
Also, all those machines at least looked like they were solid 60+hz/fps; the animations were VERY smooth (probably to emulate a real slot machine, lol).

Ya don't think about it much-ever, but it's staggering the amount graphical horsepower needed for 'simple' electronic gambling machines. (...and that's just the US-prospective. IIRC, Pachinko machines are big on graphics too)

i've never been in a Casino nor any other type of establishment promoting gambling. I have played the national lottery so almost a gambo-virgin

But im surprised these rollers are based on electronics+software opposed to mechanical hardware. I always assumed the latter. I'm guessing there's tough regulations in place to avoid software-based rigging?
 
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i've never been in a Casino nor any other type of establishment promoting gambling. I have played the national lottery so almost a gambo-virgin

But im surprised these rollers are based on electronics+software opposed to mechanical hardware. I always assumed the latter. I'm guessing there's tough regulations in place to avoid software-based rigging?

I'm not well-versed on the subject but, I believe (at least in part) the move towards electronic-graphic slot machines, etc. came from 'cheating' techniques developed over many decades on 'the classic' machines. (I can vaguely remember a History Channel program on the topic).
The 'video game' versions also seem to allow better control over payout rate, etc. (I'd imagine, regardless of 'law')

When it comes to the Casinos and "the law", the rule of thumb is The House will do whatever it knows it can get away with. -and, especially in Vegas, every major company had 'connections' to mitigate legal consequences. (I lived in Las Vegas, NV for 5+ years; I was a minor the entire time living there, so my experiences are from observations rather than participation.)
 
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They should make a final, badass CPU for AM4.

Like a 5950X3D that can do high fclk/mclk.. as well as be able to be PBO tuned with override.. and can directly compete with 13th Gen in everything :)

For something this special, it must cost 1000USD :D
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came from 'cheating' techniques developed over many decades on 'the classic' machines. (I can vaguely remember a History Channel program on the topic).

to think of it, it makes sense. I just hope people aren't being conned with more sophisticated rigging methods... these criminals get away with murder. Funny that, i always relate vegas+gambling with criminals thanks to American mobo/mafia type movies. Loved the Casino/Goodfellas/etc types although can't remember if those were vegas settings. You mention vegas~gambling, i picture Nicky Santoro and Tommy Devito (Mr. Peschi) sitting in the back room observing the cameras lol
 
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to think of it, it makes sense. I just hope people aren't being conned with more sophisticated rigging methods... these criminals get away with murder. Funny that, i always relate vegas+gambling with criminals thanks to American mobo/mafia type movies. Loved the Casino/Goodfellas/etc types although can't remember if those were vegas settings. You mention vegas~gambling, i picture Nicky Santoro and Tommy Devito (Mr. Peschi) sitting in the back room observing the cameras lol
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I wonder when launch day will be, must not be soon, otherwise they would have announced it at computex no?
I would agree with the speculation there. If it was approved for import/export in April (or earlier) and Computex was late May-early June...
yeah. why?

My own speculation off the top of my head:
It's not going to be announced. It was a long-planned SKU that probably got further-along to market than the other (originally) planned X3D AM4 chips.
AMD doesn't want to butcher new platform sales, but also wants to milk what its got, and their partners have gluts of (AM4 'kit').
So, not entirely unlike the 1600AF or the 4000series desktop chips: it will come to market, but to no funded marketing.
 
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My take is, if this come to life. That 5800X3D production yields a lot of failed cores.
Or this will so cheap that they hope to make some barebone OEM deals.
 

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I would agree with the speculation there. If it was approved for import/export in April (or earlier) and Computex was late May-early June...
yeah. why?

My own speculation off the top of my head:
It's not going to be announced. It was a long-planned SKU that probably got further-along to market than the other (originally) planned X3D AM4 chips.
AMD doesn't want to butcher new platform sales, but also wants to milk what its got, and their partners have gluts of (AM4 'kit').
So, not entirely unlike the 1600AF or the 4000series desktop chips: it will come to market, but to no funded marketing.

this makes sense to me yeah, well said.

maybe it will launch as soon as next month, would be neat, i am curious to see if it matches a 5800x3d in most games, or if those extra 2 cores actually matter.

7800 xt gpu is supposedly next month too
 
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Nov 5, 2020 - 5600X is released on the market for over $300. It now sells for ~$150.
May 12, 2023 - 5600 X3D rumors
From the whole history of AM4 I deduced a clear conclusion: Greek gifts. If the old processor, which cost hundreds of dollars at the time of purchase, is thrown in the trash, what does the 100-200 dollars you paid for a motherboard in 2017, now outdated and tired??? Salvation comes from eBay, which gets rid of your old processor for $50 and for which you paid, at the time, $300 or more. Great deal!

Don't get me wrong, but this 5600X3D would have been a great deal in 2020 or 2021, interesting in 2022. The calendar says we're in 2023.
 
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Nov 5, 2020 - 5600X is released on the market for over $300. It now sells for ~$150.
May 12, 2023 - 5600 X3D rumors
From the whole history of AM4 I deduced a clear conclusion: Greek gifts. If the old processor, which cost hundreds of dollars at the time of purchase, is thrown in the trash, what does the 100-200 dollars you paid for a motherboard in 2017, now outdated and tired??? Salvation comes from eBay, which gets rid of your old processor for $50 and for which you paid, at the time, $300 or more. Great deal!
While some of those points are true...

How is X570 as a platform outdated or tired?
There's current-gen boards from both AMD and Intel that have the same or worse feature sets.
Not to mention even the PCIe Gen3-limited 300 and 400 series 'has legs' if your board had a big enough ROM and you manu updated the firmware over time.

Yeah, there's eBay for your old chip, but don't forget about "excuses to build a secondary PC or PC for friend/family".
 
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How is X570 as a platform outdated or tired?
X570 it was not launched in 2017 and it is an expensive platform. At least 5800X to justify the investment, during that period. What are you doing now? Swap the 5800X for the 5600X3D? :kookoo:
 
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X570 it was not launched in 2017 and it is an expensive platform.
The latter part wasn't always true.
I don't know what's up with that.

My Tuf x570 plus WiFi was ~$130.
IIRC It was far from the least expensive x570 at the time too.
I can recall seeing X570 boards going for B550 pricing, and discussions about the odd value-comparison between B550 and X570.
So, really... Wtf happened there?
 
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Yeah, there's eBay for your old chip, but don't forget about "excuses to build a secondary PC or PC for friend/family".
The problem is with the seller, not the buyer. AMD has a habit of launching expensive processors and then following a steep drop in prices. Example: how much can you sell a 5600X, bought for $300+ in 2021/2022, if it is now being sold, new!, for $150? To limit the losses, the motherboard and processor combo is an option. The myth of the 7 years - busted!

My Tuf x570 plus WiFi was ~$130.
The same price as the Z490 TUF from that period.
However, the discussion about the 500 series has a syncopation: where are the 300 and 400 series? We have a motherboard for 7 years, or not? In the 7 years since the launch of the 500 series, AMD brings the 700 and 800 series to the market for the Ryzen 8000 and 9000.
Motherboards are not game consoles. New versions are released every year, each bringing new functions, and your 7-year-old board will look like a grandmother with rheumatism. Like I said, great deal!
 
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I haven't regarded it honestly, and it's great that the am4 haven't been discounted/abandon yet just hope the am5 will be better priced with Ryzen 8000 cpus.
 
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