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268,51 euro is 2000

According to my other therad i migt need a cpu with higher ipc or more cores, in youtube videos som get higher gpu usage with a 11600k (more background apps running on my pc) or an 8 core cpu
 
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I haven't had any issues with my Gigabyte Auros 760 Elite Ax. I mean there have been times where I wished I could overclock the cpu frequency above boost, buuuut I know you don't gain a lot and it uses up a lot of power so w/e. The board only cost $220 CAD, so like $165 US. It has 3 m.2 slots, all gen 4, with heatsinks and uses ddr5. One thing that bothered me though, was no rgb control from the bios wtf. My gigabyte b560 had rgb control from the bios. I can do it with software but like, why remove features? Its in the same class of product and two generations on.

Anyway if you want to go ddr4 you could get something even cheaper.

Like this: https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-B76...MB15/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=ddr4+lga+1700&sr=8-3
 

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There's not much saving in buying a DDR4 platform at this point.

Not worth it.

Unless you have a very good 2x16 B die kit that you're planning on carrying over.
 
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Was playing with my mb and it's not always doing what i want, somestimes bclk isn't 100, sometimes i though it would run at higher speeds, setting vcore to a staic value i (1.300) it did peaked above 1.400 volt

Stock speed seems most stable, set it,have an vcore offset at -0.100 and forget it (it can do 5.0ghz and even 5.1 ghz in games with reduced avx,avx2)

Turbo boost power max is at 205 watt and turbo boost shirt max is a 251 watt (which is stock)

205 watt so it doesn't throttle (also had to raise it when in started with an 11400f) i was thinking that is high, when prices is almost the same or infact lower then my current set up 999 + 1363 for the cpu + shipping why do i have a 125watt cpu (205 watt so it don't throttle) when i could have a 65 watt 12400(f) (or 11700) that might not need 205 watt power limit or more then 125 watt long time boost clock, lower temps, less noise at high loads, less power consumption = less money spend on electricity + it's faster stock then a stock 11600k, altough not much, it's faster + theres an option of using ddr 5 memory depedning on how much yor willing to spend on the mb,ram or reuse ddr4 if you want to go for ddr 4, last thing is you can have a new or used 10-12 or even 16 core cpu, mabye even today it could be possible to buy a 12 core 12700 for only 200 euros, 335 euro retail price in denmark

There's not much saving in buying a DDR4 platform at this point.

Not worth it.

Unless you have a very good 2x16 B die kit that you're planning on carrying over.
higher price for a ddr 5 mb ?

Not having to sell ddr 4 and mabye buy new ddr 5 ram ? (reuse ddr 4 nothing extra on ram,memory)

At sweetspot speeds lets say 3600mhz cl 16 ddr 4 and 6000 mhz cl 32 ddr 5 (is also amd sweetspot), can you even tell,feel a difference between ddr 4 and ddr 5 when the system is the same (spoiler aller6t same mb in ddr and ddr 5 the ddr 5 version is more expensive and cheapest ddr 4 mb is much much cheaper then any ddr 5 mb )
 
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At sweetspot speeds lets say 3600mhz cl 16 ddr 4 and 6000 mhz cl 32 ddr 5 (is also amd sweetspot), can you even tell,feel a difference between ddr 4 and ddr 5 when the system is the same (spoiler aller6t same mb in ddr and ddr 5 the ddr 5 version is more expensive and cheapest ddr 4 mb is much much cheaper then any ddr 5 mb )
This is a forum thread about Intel, the AMD sweetspot is irrelevant. Also AMD doesn't even have a DDR4 current gen option, unlike Intel.

For Intel the DDR5 sweetspot is more like 7600-8000 MT. And yes, there's a significant FPS difference between that and a DDR4 3600 build, assuming you aren't GPU limited.
 
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There's also a significant cost differential, you can buy second hand memory almost dirt cheap these days but good luck getting that high speed DDDR5 at anything less than a massive premium, even accounting for brand new DDR4 ram.
 
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but good luck getting that high speed DDDR5 at anything less than a massive premium
Right, a kit of 8000Mhz DDR5 starting around 340 EUR in my country...

That's at the price I bought my 6000MHz 32GB kit in May last year...
 

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Right, a kit of 8000Mhz DDR5 starting around 340 EUR in my country...

That's at the price I bought my 6000MHz 32GB kit in May last year...
There's also a significant cost differential, you can buy second hand memory almost dirt cheap these days but good luck getting that high speed DDDR5 at anything less than a massive premium, even accounting for brand new DDR4 ram.
Almost any A die kit will do 7800-8000 MT.
 
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This is a forum thread about Intel, the AMD sweetspot is irrelevant. Also AMD doesn't even have a DDR4 current gen option, unlike Intel.

For Intel the DDR5 sweetspot is more like 7600-8000 MT. And yes, there's a significant FPS difference between that and a DDR4 3600 build, assuming you aren't GPU limited.
I was talking about 6000 mhz might also be the sweet spot for intel memory , not what intel max can handle, the ratio between the speed,cl and price, 6000 mhz might be the sweetspot or just a good choice above standard speed
 

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I was talking about 6000 mhz might also be the sweet spot for intel memory , not what intel max can handle, the ratio between the speed,cl and price, 6000 mhz might be the sweetspot or just a good choice above standard speed
Sweetspot means the point at which further improvements don't offer measurably better performance. For AMD this is around 6000 MT. For Intel, this is around 8000 MT.

A price optimized kit is a price optimized kit, it's not the sweetspot.

I.e. Zen 2 was 3600 MT, Zen 3 was 3800, neither of these were related to price, it's just the AMD recommended memory speed that most chips could do in sync with IF.

With tuning you could do 3800 on some Zen 2 and 4000 on some Zen 3 chips, but the gains aren't significant.

For gaming, DDR5 doesn't make sense over DDR4 unless you're buying the platform to future proof, you're locked into it (AMD) or you want ultra high capacity/speed.

DDR5 6000/36 (12ns) is an average kit, and around what most people are willing to pay for, and is the equivalent of DDR4 3000/18 for gaming, which is a crappy latency.

DDR4 3600/14 is comfortably possible on AMD, and 4000/14 on Intel, sometimes you can hit 4133/4200 MT on good silicon. 4200/14 is 6.6 ns absolute latency. 4000/14 is 7 ns. 6000/36 is 12 ns latency.

Comparably, 8000/32 is 8ns, so you're getting to around DDR4 absolute latency. If you have a good two dimm motherboard, and high bin CPU IMC and memory, you can push 8200 sub 30ns, which would get you into the low 7 ns.

Latency is what matters for gaming performance, bandwidth is nice, but FPS doesn't always scale with it, and not at the penalty of latency. Higher bandwidth kits are typically faster because their latency is lower, not because the bandwidth is higher.

Bandwidth is really nice for some workstation tasks and professional software.


These numbers don't make sense to aim for unless you know how to tune memory and have a strong GPU. XMP/EXPO kits are almost universally mediocre timings wise with the exception of maybe 5-10% of kits (that most people don't buy). Personally I use a 3200/14 dual rank B die kit that (because it's B die) I bought, since I knew it would overclock well. Currently that kit sits at 3933/14 with the rest of the subtimings better than stock. You literally can't buy XMP kits that offer that MT/timing/capacity combo stock.

In the same vein, if you're serious, you look for a Hynix A die kit that's cheap, at the capacity you want, and tune it yourself. If you know what you're doing you can easily turn a 62/6400 kit into an 7600/8000 MT kit, for daily use.

All of this only really matters if you have a strong GPU and a high refresh rate monitor, otherwise the only thing you'll be achieving is increasing your 1/0.1% low FPS, which is still worth doing and leads to a much smoother experience.
 
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I was talking about 6000 mhz might also be the sweet spot for intel memory , not what intel max can handle, the ratio between the speed,cl and price, 6000 mhz might be the sweetspot or just a good choice above standard speed
If you're going with a 12 Gen Intel, I would go with DDR4 as some of the 12th gen CPU's with DDR5 6000 will only work in in gear 2 mode. It seems that it can be a hit or miss with the 12th gen's memory controller. The 13th gen parts seem to have a way better memory controller, so I would go the DDR5 route if you go that route.

As for what you're looking for, and your budget for the upgrades, I would look for an upper tier B660 board or a lower Z690 board teamed up with a 12700K or non-K part. Don't make the mistake that I made and get an F part. They are harder to sell and will need a video card if you plan to use it in a spare/family build.

PC part picker has the NZXT Z690nboard listed for under 1100kr........
NZXT N5 Z690 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (N5-Z69XT-W1) - PCPartPicker
NZXT N5 Z690 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (N5-Z69XT-B1) - PCPartPicker

For the CPU, I would go with either a 12600K 1910kr or a 12700K 2476kr.......
Intel Core i5-12600K 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor (BX8071512600K) - PCPartPicker
Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor (BX8071512700K) - PCPartPicker

I would reuse the rest of the parts from the build you have now since they are top tier and sell the motherboard and CPU to offset the cost of the upgrade.
 

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If you're going with a 12 Gen Intel, I would go with DDR4 as some of the 12th gen CPU's with DDR5 6000 will only work in in gear 2 mode. It seems that it can be a hit or miss with the 12th gen's memory controller. The 13th gen parts seem to have a way better memory controller, so I would go the DDR5 route if you go that route.

As for what you're looking for, and your budget for the upgrades, I would look for an upper tier B660 board or a lower Z690 board teamed up with a 12700K or non-K part. Don't make the mistake that I made and get an F part. They are harder to sell and will need a video card if you plan to use it in a spare/family build.

PC part picker has the NZXT Z690nboard listed for under 1100kr........
NZXT N5 Z690 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (N5-Z69XT-W1) - PCPartPicker
NZXT N5 Z690 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (N5-Z69XT-B1) - PCPartPicker

For the CPU, I would go with either a 12600K 1910kr or a 12700K 2476kr.......
Intel Core i5-12600K 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor (BX8071512600K) - PCPartPicker
Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor (BX8071512700K) - PCPartPicker

I would reuse the rest of the parts from the build you have now since they are top tier and sell the motherboard and CPU to offset the cost of the upgrade.
All of them will only work in gear 2... gear 1 is non functional with DDR5 systems.
 
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All of them will only work in gear 2... gear 1 is non functional with DDR5 systems.
Did not know that, I wonder if the 14th gen series will fix that.
 
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If you're going with a 12 Gen Intel, I would go with DDR4 as some of the 12th gen CPU's with DDR5 6000 will only work in in gear 2 mode. It seems that it can be a hit or miss with the 12th gen's memory controller. The 13th gen parts seem to have a way better memory controller, so I would go the DDR5 route if you go that route.

As for what you're looking for, and your budget for the upgrades, I would look for an upper tier B660 board or a lower Z690 board teamed up with a 12700K or non-K part. Don't make the mistake that I made and get an F part. They are harder to sell and will need a video card if you plan to use it in a spare/family build.

PC part picker has the NZXT Z690nboard listed for under 1100kr........
NZXT N5 Z690 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (N5-Z69XT-W1) - PCPartPicker
NZXT N5 Z690 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (N5-Z69XT-B1) - PCPartPicker

For the CPU, I would go with either a 12600K 1910kr or a 12700K 2476kr.......
Intel Core i5-12600K 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor (BX8071512600K) - PCPartPicker
Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor (BX8071512700K) - PCPartPicker

I would reuse the rest of the parts from the build you have now since they are top tier and sell the motherboard and CPU to offset the cost of the upgrade.

How about an i5 13400, cheaper then the 12600k and 12700k

I do wanna keep it under 3000kr
 
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How about an i5 13400, cheaper then the 12600k and 12700k

I do wanna keep it under 3000kr
I would check the CPU compatibly and also see what BIOS you will need in the board before you buy it, in less it has a BIOS update future that does not require the CPU to be installed. But yea, I would go that route if it cheaper, even with DDR4.
 

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How about an i5 13400, cheaper then the 12600k and 12700k

I do wanna keep it under 3000kr
It's still AlderLake! Makes zero difference except now you can't overclock.

Only 13th gen with actual architecture improvements are 136/7/900K
 
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If you're going with a 12 Gen Intel, I would go with DDR4 as some of the 12th gen CPU's with DDR5 6000 will only work in in gear 2 mode. It seems that it can be a hit or miss with the 12th gen's memory controller. The 13th gen parts seem to have a way better memory controller, so I would go the DDR5 route if you go that route.

As for what you're looking for, and your budget for the upgrades, I would look for an upper tier B660 board or a lower Z690 board teamed up with a 12700K or non-K part. Don't make the mistake that I made and get an F part. They are harder to sell and will need a video card if you plan to use it in a spare/family build.

PC part picker has the NZXT Z690nboard listed for under 1100kr........
NZXT N5 Z690 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (N5-Z69XT-W1) - PCPartPicker
NZXT N5 Z690 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (N5-Z69XT-B1) - PCPartPicker

For the CPU, I would go with either a 12600K 1910kr or a 12700K 2476kr.......
Intel Core i5-12600K 3.7 GHz 10-Core Processor (BX8071512600K) - PCPartPicker
Intel Core i7-12700K 3.6 GHz 12-Core Processor (BX8071512700K) - PCPartPicker

I would reuse the rest of the parts from the build you have now since they are top tier and sell the motherboard and CPU to offset the cost of the upgrade.
Not a super budget mb https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nzxt-n5-z690-review
 
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Only 13th gen with actual architecture improvements are 136/7/900K
Yep, the 13400 is the 12600K with the overclocking ability locked out. But you still can change the PL1, PL2 and TA settings to get more performance out of it and get good power/thermal performance.
 

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DDR5-8000 CL38 is when it beats out DDR4-4000 CL15 Gear 1 in everything.

Reminds me I need to pit those two against each other with a RTX 4090. God more work for me lol.
 
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Hot running, paltry 50A MOSFETs' somewhat mediocre performance in a few areas

My Nzxt N7 Z590 did costs the same which is a little better

It does have flash button, small 13 gen is not supported on the support list.
 
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Just wondering what the end goal is of this 3 page thread is.
 

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Just wondering what the end goal is of this 3 page thread is.
It will get up to 11 pages like that stupid thread over the 1080 and 2080.
 
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