Low budget mb for intel 12/13 gen

[tussinman]

The 12600k for example someone on a budget build or lower tier motherboard will simply just buy the 12600 non K which will give you like 97% of the performance at 30-40% less power thus not messing up the VRMs

Slightly disagree, 12600 3.3ghz 4.8ghz 12600k 3.7ghz and 4.9ghz but you might forget one important think, the 12600 is a 6 core 12 thread cpu, a 12600k is a 10 core 16 thread cpu = longer time before the cpu isn't fast enough for what most people do and for gaming it can handle a gpu alot faster then a 12600 before it's out of breath, basically the power cores can be used for gaming and the e cores for what is running in the background

The point I was trying to make was the non-k variants are clocked slightly lower so they use way less power but minimal performance loss. Those are the type of chips that people on low end boards are targeting. They're so power efficient that they even come with a stock cooler.

In regards to e-cores that's a completely different debate (in my opinion if you get so far into the future that you're relying on very weak e-cores to try to save you then you're better off just upgrading your platform or selling your current CPU and buying a used 8-core variant like the 12700,13700, or 14700).

Not only that they make chips like the 13400 which is 12600 non k performance/power consumption but with the ecores so it's not like you have to choose one or the other

 

[nomdeplume]

If it were me I would be waiting to see how 14th gen ULTRA are shaping up pre-release.

With gaming stagnated below AAA games it makes absolute sense to replace inefficient hardware. Equaling previous gen's performance will never be the same as buying new to realize vast improvements... outside of power usage and heat.

 

[gasolin]

Like a 12400f that almost performs like a 11600k just with 2 big differences, tdp and the ability to use ddr 5 memory + i,you can get power if you need it

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I properly just realized to late, why the f do i have a stock 11600k running at 190 watt tdp (of course not using that much when gaming) but still uses alot more then a 65 and 125 watt cpu (stock is as i remember 150watt and 251watt) when i could have 65 watt cpu lower wattage,temps and could use up to a 16 core cpu

Asus PRIME B660M-A D4 + an i5-12400f, is there any better low budget option ?

 

[dgianstefani]

If it were me I would be waiting to see how 14th gen ULTRA are shaping up pre-release.

With gaming stagnated below AAA games it makes absolute sense to replace inefficient hardware. Equaling previous gen's performance will never be the same as buying new to realize vast improvements... outside of power usage and heat.

14th gen isn't Ultra, except for meteor lake laptop CPUs.

 

[P4-630]

This "new" build doesn't seem to be much better than your current system specs, just saying....

 

[dgianstefani]

This "new" build doesn't seem to be much better than your current system specs, just saying....

Yup, that's the budget build fallacy.

Upgrading a single CPU generation and going to a lower tier CPU because that's what fits in your budget doesn't make sense.

Either save and wait for an actual upgrade that CPU wise, could last 5+ years, i.e. 13600K, or just wait, and upgrade every three generations+ from one budget build to the next.

It's money down the drain, especially as you want to pair it with a budget motherboard, which limits your upgrade options due to poor VRM, memory support, IO, PCIe bandwidth etc. should you ever later waste more money on another iterative upgrade from 12400f to a 13700K or something.

Had you bought an 11700K, you'd have eight cores, and there'd be little reason to upgrade for the majority of games, at least for another couple of years, but you bought into the cheap platform, and now you want to make a worse mistake, "upgrading" to an even cheaper platform that's not even one year newer than the one you're on, Rocket Lake to Alder Lake is March-Nov 2021.

 

[gasolin]

Atm it doesn't seem like it but im going for lower tdp and the option for a bigger cpu

When 12 gen gets a little older or 14 gen is out i might be able to score me a good deal on a used bigger 12,13 gen cpu (if i need it)

Im trying to find a mb that will let me upgrade to 12gen without paying alot more then i can get for my current cpu,mb combo

Either save and wait for an actual upgrade that CPU wise, could last 5+ years, i.e. 13600K, or just wait, and upgrade every three generations from one budget build to the next.

My reason for wanting a 65 watt is to avoid hot cpu's and a 13600k is not cheap

Had you bought an 11700K, you'd have eight cores, and there'd be little reason to upgrade for the majority of games, at least for another couple of years

An 11700k gets hot, since having throttlestop i started to focus on throttling and my 11600k needs 190 watt,251 watt not to throttle in worst case senario

As an alternative i also looked for a used 11700 (f) (65 watt) but couldn't find any, not even an i7 11700k(f).

 

[dgianstefani]

Atm it doesn't seem like it but im going for lower tdp and the option for a bigger cpu

When 12 gen gets a little older or 14 gen is out i might be able to score me a good deal on a used bigger 12,13 gen cpu (if i need it)

Im trying to find a mb that will let me upgrade to 12gen without paying alot more then i can get for my current cpu,mb combo

It doesn't exist.

You won't find a "budget" motherboard that can comfortably support bigger "good deal" CPUs later down the line.

Buy what you want from the platform when you buy the platform, don't fall into the trap of "I can buy a cheap motherboard and cheap CPU now and use than until later, when I can then drop a CPU with 4x the power draw into my cheap mobo, then realise that it won't work properly."

Not even 10%, that's what you want to throw your money away on. And that's at stock, buying a better cooler for your 11600K and doing a light OC would bring you to parity.

There's nothing "budget" about iteratively upgrading low end parts multiple times within 1-2 generations, because slightly larger initial price tags scare you.

Do the math, you'll pay much more in the end.

This might sound harsh, but it's good advice.

There's nothing wrong with your current build, upgrading your cooler and maybe your GPU is all I would do.

 

[Macro Device]

I got a bunch of questions for you.

0. Do you ever experience performance deficite?
1. Do you really mind your CPU's TDP? Is it your green nature, or you just want lesser electricity bills?
2. What are you doing on your PC?
3. Why don't you just save a heap of cash so you purchase a top-notch mobo with a top-notch CPU so you'll be unbothered for another half decade or more?

 

[dgianstefani]

Atm it doesn't seem like it but im going for lower tdp and the option for a bigger cpu

When 12 gen gets a little older or 14 gen is out i might be able to score me a good deal on a used bigger 12,13 gen cpu (if i need it)

Im trying to find a mb that will let me upgrade to 12gen without paying alot more then i can get for my current cpu,mb combo

Either save and wait for an actual upgrade that CPU wise, could last 5+ years, i.e. 13600K, or just wait, and upgrade every three generations from one budget build to the next.

My reason for wanting a 65 watt is to avoid hot cpu's and a 13600k is not cheap

Had you bought an 11700K, you'd have eight cores, and there'd be little reason to upgrade for the majority of games, at least for another couple of years

An 11700k gets hot, since having throttlestop i started to focus on throttling and my 11600k needs 190 watt,251 watt not to throttle in worst case senario

As an alternative i also looked for a used 11700 (f) (65 watt) but couldn't find any, not even an i7 11700k(f).

You can fix all of those problems with a better cooler.

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No, genuine upgrades aren't cheap.

Don't buy a cheap motherboard and a 12400f.

 

[nomdeplume]

14th gen isn't Ultra, except for meteor lake laptop CPUs.

Thanks, will look where I got my wires crossed.

 

[Why_Me]

I think i will go for a 12400f to get a little more power and not having to pay 50% more for a 13400f for 10 fps more with only a rx 6700 xt 1440p, not much but stock it should be better then my 11600k that gets hotter (in theory compared to a 12400f),uses alot of power (190 watt power limit), if i where oc it to 4.8ghz on all core and raise power limits to what ever it needs to be long therm, i guess it would be 220-230 watt.

A 12400f would have the same or better better perfomance than a stock 11600k, it wouldn't use more then 125 watt ich or there about (65 watt tdp vs 125 watt tpd stock specs), i don't need pci e 5.0, but to get a 12600k,12700k,13400 (f),13500(f) if i ever get performance like a rx 6950 xt or rtx 4070 ti is a nice option

2x samung 970 evo plus,minimum 1 m.2 heatsink, 4 case fans and option for alot of usb, 100% stable aida 64 cpu,fpu and gpu load

racing games and fps is my thing, angry bird on the phone

Check to make sure the B660 chipset has enough PCIe lanes to run two of those SSD's without gimping the second SSD.

 

[gasolin]

It does both runs 4.0 x4

 

[P4-630]

He's using PCIe 3.0 970 Evo's anyway.

 

[gasolin]

it would stil be pci e 4.0 x16, 4.0+ 4.0 if i was using 4.0 x 4 nvme and intel 12 or 13 gen

I was playing around with my 11600k and it's actually capable of 5.0ghz or higher in games (+ a little more)

That's great since i thought less was the limit, less is the limit if im doing avx on a hot day 4.4- 4.6ghz in prime 95, with cpu,gpu and fpu loads 4.6ghz is no problem, vcore offset -0.100 volt

I basically wanted a 65 tdp cpu with just a little more power, what annoys me is that however much i oc my cpu or lower power from my gpu the benchmark in dirt 5 really never goes high then 97%, other games could be utilizing the gpu around 90% almost 98-100% but not quite

if going for 12 or 13 i either have to go 12400f or buy parts as they get cheaper (weekend deals or used), so fare i have ordered the Thermalright Intel LGA1700 12/13th Gen Anti-Bending Buckle, still no 65 watt 11700 or even 11900

 

[pressing on]

...still no 65 watt 11700 or even 11900

The 11700 can usually be found on eBay even though it apparently did not sell in huge numbers. For example here at $149 used and here at $238 new. Shipping would be extra. You could off course offset this by selling your existing 11600K through the same channel.

 

[ir_cow]

if going for 12 or 13 i either have to go 12400f or buy parts as they get cheaper (weekend deals or used), so fare i have ordered the Thermalright Intel LGA1700 12/13th Gen Anti-Bending Buckle, still no 65 watt 11700 or even 11900

The contact frame is pointless on a 65watt CPU. Just wasting money. Personally I would wait for the 14th gen this fall and see if the i3 will actually be a raptor lake CPU or another Alder Lake refresh like the 13th gen i3s.

If it's just a 12th gen CPU rebranded again, no point in "upgrading" one generation if you are buying budget CPU. Just throwing money away.

 

[dgianstefani]

The contact frame is pointless on a 65watt CPU. Just wasting money. Personally I would wait for the 14th gen this fall and see if the i3 will actually be a raptor lake CPU or another Alder Lake refresh like the 13th gen i3s.

No point in "upgrading" one generation if you are buying budget CPU. Just throwing money away.

He's been informed of this and more by several people now but seems set on his course.

Oh well.

 

[ir_cow]

He's been informed of this and more by several people now but seems set on his course.

I see that. Well, my recommendation for a MB is any since they all can handle 65watts. Some don't really offer good upgrade paths though.

 

[dgianstefani]

Rather than a ~5% faster CPU for the cost of an entire new platform, he could upgrade to a 30-60% faster (depending on the game and if RT is used) 4070 with a much better feature set, all while reducing his GPU power consumption by 10%.

That would be a much more noticeable upgrade, and allow gaming with things like Reflex, RT, DLAA etc.

Anything but a single generation sidegrade CPU/Mobo swap.

 

[Dr. Dro]

If it were me I would be waiting to see how 14th gen ULTRA are shaping up pre-release.

With gaming stagnated below AAA games it makes absolute sense to replace inefficient hardware. Equaling previous gen's performance will never be the same as buying new to realize vast improvements... outside of power usage and heat.

Raptor Lake Refresh doesn't qualify for Core Ultra branding (it is not the newest microarchitecture - only Meteor Lake will be called Core Ultra) and should - if at all launched - retain i3/i5/i7/i9 branding. I don't expect a KS model to release, especially not at 6.5 GHz as MLID rumors have spread. If anything, 6.2... and that'd be forcing the node's hand far too much.

 

[dgianstefani]

Raptor Lake Refresh doesn't qualify for Core Ultra branding (it is not the newest microarchitecture - only Meteor Lake will be called Core Ultra) and should - if at all launched - retain i3/i5/i7/i9 branding. I don't expect a KS model to release, especially not at 6.5 GHz as MLID rumors have spread. If anything, 6.2... and that'd be forcing the node's hand far too much.

Eh, a 13900KS can do 6.2 GHz fairly easily without exotic cooling, just a standard custom loop, at least on a few cores.

If Intel got the Digital Linear Voltage Regulator (DLVR) working that can reduce power consumption by up to 25%, so with another year of node maturity I wouldn't see 6.2 out of the box as unlikely, with 6.3/6.4 GHz possible with some tuning.

MLID is just a guesser though, as with all the other "leakers".

 

[Dr. Dro]

Eh, a 13900KS can do 6.2 GHz fairly easily without exotic cooling, just a standard custom loop, at least on a few cores.

If Intel got the Digital Linear Voltage Regulator (DLVR) working that can reduce power consumption by up to 25%, so with another year of node maturity I wouldn't see 6.2 out of the box as unlikely, with 6.3/6.4 GHz possible with some tuning.

MLID is just a guesser though, as with all the other "leakers".

Fair enough, I suppose... but I still think 6.5 is way too high. Maybe 6.3-6.4... IF DLVR is finally enabled, but even then it'd have virtually no headroom, and it'd surely accentuate the extreme power consumption this chip already suffers from.

 

[gasolin]

Rather than a ~5% faster CPU for the cost of an entire new platform, he could upgrade to a 30-60% faster (depending on the game and if RT is used) 4070 with a much better feature set, all while reducing his GPU power consumption by 10%.

That would be a much more noticeable upgrade, and allow gaming with things like Reflex, RT, DLAA etc.

Anything but a single generation sidegrade CPU/Mobo swap.

Not gonna happend, if i had the money for a 4070 i wouldn't ask for an advice on mb or cpu, i would just get a 11700 (f), 12600k, 13400 or 13500 + mb.

Since my gpu isn't used 98-100% in grid legends i think it's not close enough to be good enough for a rtx 4070

14 watt, impressive

Forget about what currency it is for a moment and just look at the numbers (%)

For my mb.cpu 1800-2000
13400/12600k and a good budget mb, price 3000 (12400f 2300-2500)

Used rx 6700 xt 2000-2500
rtx 4070 i might buy 5000-5200 (asus,gigabyte)

 

[P4-630]

1800-2000

Denmarkish rubles?

How much in euros are you at?