Rare GPUs / Unreleased GPUs

[PixelButts]

A new listing just popped up. I can't really identify anything on it aside from one sticker, and it's not helping a whole lot. Anyone got any ideas or clues?

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Edit: also update on the v540. No luck getting it to run but some others have been having varying success with other drivers. I should also warn that there's a high chance the AWS package for official drivers are watermarked, so I caution sharing the driver package. Haven't been able to prove this I just have a strong feeling.

 

[Edwired]

Looks like a Radeon V540 comparing to other pictures elsewhere seems like the pcie bracket been cut to access the pins

 

[PixelButts]

Looks like a Radeon V540 comparing to other pictures elsewhere

Must be particularly not finished then. I'm comparing to mine and a few spots stand out a little bit.

These 2 points here dont exist on mine at all. Some components are missing or in different spots as well (the black rectangles, idk what they're called)

These parts here are fully populated on mine, whereas this is missing a pin or 2

This unpopulated bit here is also unpopulated on mine, but mine has a lot more room and white outline silkscreened on so that's physically moved at least 2-3cm

 

[Edwired]

Tantalum capacitor are usually colored black and yellow with a line marked one one end and the 8 solder lines usually a 8 legged chip of some kind and the one with a short and long solder points to be something connected on the board then again not 100% sure as it could be anything related to the radeon series

 

[sethmatrix7]

It is not a released card. Crossfire not supported on navi10-12 but it can do dx12mgpu so 3dmark (timespy i think) can work with two gpu and also a few games that support multigpu. (two rx5700xt HBM2 can beat RTX3070ti-3080 in timespy i think)
I think it is faster than an average RX5700XT because of the HBM2 memory. (it was 230 USD)
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-pro-v540.c4133
It has 2560 cores not 2304, but i dont know the default clocks because i dont have driver for the card. And it need some better cooling, ~330w EPS and 75w from PCIE so i think it is a ~350w TDP card. I don't think that 2x8gb vram can limit much on FullHD gaming, i dont have 4k display.

Cheers! Very cool card

 

[mczkrt]

Signing up for V540 club.

I'm trying to get it to work with GPU passtrough under Proxmox, for a start passing single GPU to linux guest VM. Everything seems to look fine up to a point when driver wants to load firmware:

amdgpu 0000:01:00.0: amdgpu: Will use PSP to load VCN firmware
[  +1,969683] [drm:psp_hw_start [amdgpu]] *ERROR* PSP load sys drv failed!
[  +0,217400] [drm:psp_v11_0_ring_destroy [amdgpu]] *ERROR* Fail to stop psp ring
[  +0,000214] [drm:psp_hw_init [amdgpu]] *ERROR* PSP firmware loading failed
[  +0,000191] [drm:amdgpu_device_fw_loading [amdgpu]] *ERROR* hw_init of IP block <psp> failed -22
[  +0,000162] amdgpu 0000:01:00.0: amdgpu: amdgpu_device_ip_init failed
[  +0,000010] amdgpu 0000:01:00.0: amdgpu: Fatal error during GPU init

Machine will boot and work fine, but without GPU, however it will not shutdown cleanly and after stopping will not start again without host reboot.

Host also reports problems during VM start

[drm] psp gfx command AUTOLOAD_RLC(0x21) failed and response status is (0xFFFF000D)
[  +0.039550] amdgpu 0000:0c:00.0: amdgpu: RAS: optional ras ta ucode is not available
[  +0.014592] amdgpu 0000:0c:00.0: amdgpu: RAP: optional rap ta ucode is not available
[  +0.000011] amdgpu 0000:0c:00.0: amdgpu: SECUREDISPLAY: securedisplay ta ucode is not available
[  +0.000269] amdgpu 0000:0c:00.0: amdgpu: SMU is resuming...
[  +0.000134] amdgpu 0000:0c:00.0: amdgpu: use vbios provided pptable
[  +0.000010] amdgpu 0000:0c:00.0: amdgpu: smc_dpm_info table revision(format.content): 4.7
[  +0.002798] amdgpu 0000:0c:00.0: amdgpu: SMU is resumed successfully!
[  +0.254888] [drm] kiq ring mec 2 pipe 1 q 0
[  +0.149226] amdgpu 0000:0c:00.0: [drm:amdgpu_ring_test_helper [amdgpu]] *ERROR* ring sdma0 test failed (-110)
[  +0.000182] [drm:amdgpu_device_ip_resume_phase2 [amdgpu]] *ERROR* resume of IP block <sdma_v5_0> failed -110
[  +0.000146] amdgpu 0000:0c:00.0: amdgpu: amdgpu_device_ip_resume failed (-110).
[  +0.001543] amdgpu 0000:0c:00.0: amdgpu: amdgpu: finishing device.
[  +3.356597] amdgpu 0000:0c:00.0: [drm:amdgpu_ring_test_helper [amdgpu]] *ERROR* ring kiq_2.1.0 test failed (-110)
[  +0.000187] [drm:gfx_v10_0_hw_fini [amdgpu]] *ERROR* KGQ disable failed
[  +1.752059] [drm:gfx_v10_0_cp_gfx_enable.isra.0 [amdgpu]] *ERROR* failed to halt cp gfx
[  +0.000349] amdgpu 0000:0c:00.0: amdgpu: SMU: response:0xFFFFFFFF for index:13 param:0x00000000 message:GetEnabledSmuFeaturesHigh?
[  +0.000025] amdgpu 0000:0c:00.0: amdgpu: Failed to retrieve enabled ppfeatures!
[  +0.000024] amdgpu 0000:0c:00.0: amdgpu: SMU: response:0xFFFFFFFF for index:7 param:0x00000000 message:DisableAllSmuFeatures?
[  +0.000016] amdgpu 0000:0c:00.0: amdgpu: Failed to disable smu features.
[  +0.000026] amdgpu 0000:0c:00.0: amdgpu: Fail to disable dpm features!

Followed by recoverd kernel panic pointing to amgpu drivers.

Maybe this card needs some special sauce driver after all.

 

[laceflower]

Hi! Been following the V540 saga closely.
I'm not well versed in other mxgpus but its interesting to me that Navi 12 has an SMU AND powerplay. These patches were merged in i think 5.2 and definitely form part of the Vega 20 SMU, and the Vega 12 SMU is probably quite similar but idk if the patches include it in any way. The terminal output suggests we might need an additional microcode blob.

I know these are pretty basic steps, but have you tried setting amdgpu.dpm=1 amdgpu.ppfeaturemask=0xffffffff kernel parameters and using the AMDGPU-PRO driver? Really looking forward to seeing if we can get these working.

 

[mczkrt]

Hi! Been following the V540 saga closely.
I'm not well versed in other mxgpus but its interesting to me that Navi 12 has an SMU AND powerplay. These patches were merged in i think 5.2 and definitely form part of the Vega 20 SMU, and the Vega 12 SMU is probably quite similar but idk if the patches include it in any way. The terminal output suggests we might need an additional microcode blob.

I know these are pretty basic steps, but have you tried setting amdgpu.dpm=1 amdgpu.ppfeaturemask=0xffffffff kernel parameters and using the AMDGPU-PRO driver? Really looking forward to seeing if we can get these working.

Great suggestion.

Kernel parameters alone did nothing, but with PRO drivers vGPU initializes correctly. However, Xorg is now broken, so I can't confirm if any 3D features can be had. I'll keep tinkering.

 

[Fouquin]

Cracking the V540/V520 seems like it needs to be its own thread. This one is getting a little off track.

 

[PixelButts]

Cracking the V540/V520 seems like it needs to be its own thread. This one is getting a little off track.

I do unfortunately have to agree. I've gone ahead and made one https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/amd-radeon-pro-v540-research-thread.308894/
My apologies for derailing this somewhat.

 

[DFX87]

GeForce PCX 5900 ES

 

[LabRat 891]

GeForce PCX 5900 ES

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Wow!
I wasn't aware nVidia GPUs that far back had an IHS.
G80 (gf8800) was the first I became aware of.
Did the other short-lived PCX 5000s use an IHS?

 

[Fouquin]

Wow!
I wasn't aware nVidia GPUs that far back had an IHS.
G80 (gf8800) was the first I became aware of.
Did the other short-lived PCX 5000s use an IHS?

The high end Rankine chips had the IHS. NVIDIA made use of a variety of packaging options for that generation, but only a couple were exposed die FC-BGA. For example NV36 (FX 5700) and NV39 (PCX 5750) were FC-BGA. The really low end chips were still regular old PBGA.

 

[PixelButts]

Fouquin I'm curious. 2 questions for you, not exactly related to recent posts.

1) Of the GPUs that have been noted to exist, what would you consider to be the most unusual one you've encountered or heard about (in or not in this thread)?
2) A while back in the thread I noticed an ES card with a combo port for DP and HDMI. I have never seen a port like that until that image scrolled by. Are you aware of any other devices that used a port like that or is this a totally custom deal? A crop of the ports of that card in question. The more I thought about it the more it seemed like this would be too easy to damage with HDMI connections, but not DP and thats why it was dropped since it might be a warranty nightmare.

 

[Fouquin]

Fouquin I'm curious. 2 questions for you, not exactly related to recent posts.

1) Of the GPUs that have been noted to exist, what would you consider to be the most unusual one you've encountered or heard about (in or not in this thread)?
2) A while back in the thread I noticed an ES card with a combo port for DP and HDMI. I have never seen a port like that until that image scrolled by. Are you aware of any other devices that used a port like that or is this a totally custom deal? A crop of the ports of that card in question. The more I thought about it the more it seemed like this would be too easy to damage with HDMI connections, but not DP and thats why it was dropped since it might be a warranty nightmare.

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That first question requires some research because there are some very strange ES cards out there. Any PCB built for debugging an ASIC is always wacky because all the internal logic is traced out to various ports, pads, and headers. You can have a seemingly simplistic chip that sits on a massive board due to all the wire space needed to fan out the logic lines. There was a particularly wacky one for something totally unimportant like G98 which was the size of an ITX motherboard, I'll have to find it another time.

As for the HDMI/DP combo port, nope I've never seen another. I think AMD wanted to play with that concept because at the time they were looking for solutions to keeping the I/O plate open on the second slot to allow for clear airflow but still allow more display outputs. The previous generations had five ports using double stacked DVI so they had effectively 1/4 of the I/O plate dedicated to venting, and it was generally considered a bad decision.

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

Fouquin I'm curious. 2 questions for you, not exactly related to recent posts.

1) Of the GPUs that have been noted to exist, what would you consider to be the most unusual one you've encountered or heard about (in or not in this thread)?
2) A while back in the thread I noticed an ES card with a combo port for DP and HDMI. I have never seen a port like that until that image scrolled by. Are you aware of any other devices that used a port like that or is this a totally custom deal? A crop of the ports of that card in question. The more I thought about it the more it seemed like this would be too easy to damage with HDMI connections, but not DP and thats why it was dropped since it might be a warranty nightmare.

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That middle port looks look an noraml orginial display port, may they added something to help pull it out though. The smaller ones next to it are minidisplays ports same thing that was on the Hd 5870 eyefinity cars

 

[Fouquin]

That middle port looks look an noraml orginial display port

Half of it is DP, the other half is HDMI. Both are wired. It's most certainly not normal.

I don't think I ever actually sat down with proper lighting to capture a better picture, so here's a comparison. Tahiti prototype, HD 7970 reference card, Hawaii prototype side by side.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Half of it is DP, the other half is HDMI. Both are wired. It's most certainly not normal.

It's a plug designed to be very compact while offering flexability to the end user. Too bad it didn't catch on...

 

[Fouquin]

It's a plug designed to be very compact while offering flexability to the end user. Too bad it didn't catch on...

Yeah doubly so for single-slot designs where I/O real estate is at a premium. These days it's not so much a problem because HDMI and three DP fits just fine, but back when we had DVI on cards that just seemed like such a great idea that never made it anywhere.

 

[PixelButts]

It's a plug designed to be very compact while offering flexability to the end user. Too bad it didn't catch on...

That compact design unfortunately comes with the flaw of potentially damaging if not plugged in with care due to the connector shapes. If it had a spacer of sorts to prevent damage then no problem but this overcomplicates plugging in things.
The HDMI connector would have too much room to slip and jam into the DP port's side.
The DP connector has a potential of twisting due to the now-open underside where the HDMI port is. One of it's 2 latches (which still is not part of the spec but it's nice I suppose) wouldnt even matter at this point.
I could on the other hand see a special situation where both can be used together at the same time with a single connection utilizing both ports but I cannot fathom a scenario where this would work out in practice unless it instantly splits into 2 separate cables.

Half of it is DP, the other half is HDMI. Both are wired. It's most certainly not normal.

I don't think I ever actually sat down with proper lighting to capture a better picture, so here's a comparison. Tahiti prototype, HD 7970 reference card, Hawaii prototype side by side.

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Thanks a ton for sharing more of it I genuinely appreciate it.

 

[lexluthermiester]

That compact design unfortunately comes with the flaw of potentially damaging if not plugged in with care due to the connector shapes. If it had a spacer of sorts to prevent damage then no problem but this overcomplicates plugging in things.

Anyone who has difficulty using those connectors shouldn't be allowed near technology anyway.

 

[PixelButts]

Anyone who has difficulty using those connectors shouldn't be allowed near technology anyway.

I regret to inform you this is a problem I witness a lot and unfortunately this is probably the same thinking that made them back out of that plug, aside from being custom and potentially being expensive*.

 

[Avro Arrow]

Technically, this one was released but it's extremely rare from what I can tell:

PowerColor Devil 13 Dual Core R9 290X

 

[xdevilx]

Get my hands on this two beatuy´s

 

[Outback Bronze]

Not sure how rare this is but not too many cards would have come with custom blocks back in the day!

Matching serials with the original retail box. It comes with a little torch light but unsure if this accessory is originally packaged with the card?





She boots and got through an 03. I just held a fan over the block to replicate a HSF without pumping water through just for now.

Very cool 15 year old card!