Games not smooth, despite having 240hz screen/240 fps, good temps etc.

[Cyanide3408]

The point is removing your perceived issue with a sluggish feeling while having high FPS.

What's TRULY the point here, you might ask yourself - do you want to mimic what the professional E-sports players do (often in a LAN-environment, not shitty server #16912 of whatever game), or do you want the best gaming experience for yourself?

You have the experience now on 240hz. Is it better? Are you more competitive? Score better?
I think its a very interesting test for yourself to cap to 120hz now and see if it makes an actual difference. That way you can form your own opinion based on your own observations instead of feeding your experience on bullshit you see online, because the vast majority really is bullshit, and placebo - and this applies specifically to our 'perception' of games, you see it in audio too. Yes, a whole lot of the 'go bigger and higher' in numbers idea in PC gaming is pure and utter marketing-fed bullshit. Its the whole reason manufacturers can STILL get away with selling crappy TN panels in 2023 at a massive premium.

I love to separate what truly helps my gaming from what is effectively 99% placebo. Might be a hard reality check for people, but it is what it is, and fact is, diminishing returns are real.

I might do that but that will feel worse in any way since, well, it's 120 hz on 240 hz screen lol
And yeah I played (semi)competitively in the past, still have some "pro" friends & now just want to have fun & fluid gameplay
Looking for the real solution, not for bandaid, if that makes sense

Have you watched the video I posted? Watch his other videos too, plenty of info on his channel as to why it's beneficial to (slightly) limit your FPS and avoid the render queue getting filled
Here's another one about input lag instead of frame pacing

Thanks for the info, yeah I've been following this guy for years, he's doing gods work in terms of gaming.
I was following his guide, this exact pic when tuning nvidia settings & testing Gsync guide thingie

I get it why ppl are limiting their FPS but that's not a panacea, at least for me, especially in scenarios when my FPS counter is below 240 anyway

 

[Chomiq]

That video has been debunked a long time ago.


I'll post here the video proving it false. In a bit.

It depends on how to game engine fps limiter is implemented, has nothing to do with gpu usage hitting %100.

It works for some, while in other titles in can increase latency. In short, YMMV.

HU themselves stated that the Battlenonsense results are valid. It just happens that they picked 3 titles that benefit from frame cap.

 

[electronicworld]

Games with older API's such as dx11 and dx9 suffer mostly from this, yes. But dx12 and vulkan, it simple isnt true. The cpu overhead is negligible.

 

[Vayra86]

I have played on both 60, 75 144 and 240 hz systems. Once you go 240 you cant go back. In lower fps, frametime is more consistent because of the low gap, hence it creates an illusion of smoothness. But it actually is not.

This is true but only as long as you can consistently keep the FPS at its set maximum. This is extremely difficult the higher you go, especially beyond 120~144.

 

[electronicworld]

Some games also act weird when their physics are tied to FPS, remember fallout and skyrim

 

[dgianstefani]

Another day, another thread I have to post this in.

No. A higher number isn't always better.

G-SYNC 101: Optimal G-SYNC Settings & Conclusion | Blur Busters

Many G-SYNC input lag tests & graphs -- on a 240Hz eSports monitor -- via 2 months of testing via high speed video!

blurbusters.com

 

[Cyanide3408]

Some games also act weird when their physics are tied to FPS, remember fallout and skyrim

BTW I used this mod for skyrim and it's working perfectly fine, I'm in starting locations but still zero issues so far. Yea Wolfenstein, Fallout games and maybe couple more suffer from this, even GTAIV gave me some weird issues esp. during catscenes, I fixed it too, but not this ugly latency/fps drops issue lol

Another day, another thread I have to post this in.

No. A higher number isn't always better.

G-SYNC 101: Optimal G-SYNC Settings & Conclusion | Blur Busters

Many G-SYNC input lag tests & graphs -- on a 240Hz eSports monitor -- via 2 months of testing via high speed video!

blurbusters.com

Thanks, I mentioned that guide in OP post & followed it, it helps a little bit but not too much, not to mention in certain scenarios you want to play uncapped or like 400 fps cap, and gsync off, on purpose (full competitive mode, not my case, just saying)

 

[Vayra86]

I might do that but that will feel worse in any way since, well, it's 120 hz on 240 hz screen lol
And yeah I played (semi)competitively in the past, still have some "pro" friends & now just want to have fun & fluid gameplay
Looking for the real solution, not for bandaid, if that makes sense

That absolutely does make sense and I hope the offered solution regarding OS that was given helps out. But not everything has a solution, and those situations happen more and more the higher your FPS targets get.

Note the conclusion in the blurbusters link above, it prioritizes consistency, not peak FPS. That's the same thing I'm saying: consistency in frame times is what truly helps your competitive edge. You can train muscle memory best if your brain is always processing the same latency.

 

[electronicworld]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/12wizig

 

[Cyanide3408]

That absolutely does make sense and I hope the offered solution regarding OS that was given helps out. But not everything has a solution, and those situations happen more and more the higher your FPS targets get.

Note the conclusion in the blurbusters link above, it prioritizes consistency, not peak FPS. That's the same thing I'm saying: consistency in frame times is what truly helps your competitive edge. You can train muscle memory best if your brain is always processing the same latency.

I appreciate your help, but I literally said in OP post that I tried Blurbusters 101 GSync guide, and it helped only a very little bit.

 

[electronicworld]

Have you fixed your problem ? Im thinking your system is simply not stable, could be RAM, motherboard, PSU or CPU.

 

[Cyanide3408]

Have you fixed your problem ? Im thinking your system is simply not stable, could be RAM, motherboard, PSU or CPU.

Hey, nah not really. Messing around with settings just helps a little bit, it's back and forth. Or it becomes good for few hours, then these "lags" are back. For example I rolled back to x.x.0.3b agesa bios, imported all the settings and tweaks, first games in BFV were really good, but then it became worse.

I haven't mentioned in OP post thought it was not nessesary, but I had "dirty electricity/desync/input loss" issue in old apartment, moving houses helped but for a few months only, then it came back, in less severe form but still. Playable, but something is still off, I can tell coz I've seen some "perfect" gaming.
I think it's the case because changing some settings helpes temporarily, and even adding new m2 drive helped for a week, and that was exactly the case with that "dirty electicity" issue back in the days. No matter what I did, it helped only for a while. The only working solution was to move to other place. I don't have floaty mouse anymore though, also no desync, no ferrari peaking, gaming is pretty much normal, just image on screen is choppy AF, and this slugishness on desktop kills me.

So if that's the case, then I have nothing to do but swap MoBo, CPU, RAM, maybe PSU (GPU is brand new & most likely unaffected) and hope for the best. Even if it's unstable, or "damaged" from that electiricty issue, or something, I don't even wanna bother fixing it anymore. Thank you guys for your time & info you provided.

 

[unluckliesttolik]

Hey everybody. Sorry for my english, I'm not a native speaker.
So for almost 3 years I've been dealing with exactly the same problem, choppy gameplay with high fps and high hz monitor.
It started 4 years ago in the Fortnite, I felt that something is wrong, not smooth at all, while my FPS is 400+, so I've tried to fix that.
My PC in 2021 :
I7 9700k
RTX 2070
2x8 BALLISTIX Sport LT 3200
Gigabyte z390 UD
SSD Kingston 3D 240GB
The game felt like I was having 100 hz and 100 fps, the same problem was in CS:GO also.
I've done :
changed my RAM = HyperX -> Ballistix
changed my monitor, I went from 144hz BenQ XL2411P to 240hz DELL AW2518HF
changed my SATA KINGSTON to M2 Samsung
changed my motherboard some MSI Z390 to GIGABYTE Z390UD
I've tried all windows versions, NVIDIA drivers, different Internet connection, different mouse/keyboard/headphones.
I was trying to play with G-Sync and 237 fps cap.
I've tried to install all possible drivers.
Nothing helped me at all.I didn't know how to fix that, so I gave up playing Fortnite.
The same problem was in Valorant, I was trying to find a solution at forums, but nobody knows how to fix it, people just thought that I am dummy and everything seems fine.
But I've noticed that time to time game felt way smoother, just randomly, especially at nighs. So I really thought that the problem is in "dirty electricity", yeah my whole building (I was living in the apartment) had electricity problems all the time, so I've moved to my grandma house. I'm not sure but it was a bit smoother, maybe I'm just freak. So after almost 2 years I gave UP again, sold my PC and moved to another country.
It's been 2 years since I was playing PC. I've moved to Canada 2 months before and I decided to buy a PC to play VALORANT.
My PC Now:
Ryzen 7 5800x3d + Be Quiet Dark Rock PRO 4
RTX 3070
MSI B550 A-PRO
Corsair vengeance lpx 2x16 3600
MSI MPG A850G
XPG 1TB M2
DELL 240 HZ S2522HG
I was so exited to play VALORANT with a smooth gameplay, and the gameplay was really smooth. First 2-3 weeks I couldn't even hit the enemies, it was tooo smooth.
But now, it feels choppy and not smooth at all. My FPS is around 350-500, everything low ofc.
Also 1 week ago one of power sockets was disabled, the same socket I've used to connect my PC.
I feel devastated, because I've spent a lot of money to enjoy smooth gameplay. I live in a new building, nobody lived here before me, maybe they changed some electricity connection, because I have no idea what is that. 2 Different countries, 2 exactly different PCs, but the problem still here.
Back then I was thinking, if your PC gets bad(dirty) electricity and it feels not smooth, it's done, because your PC is infected, and only new PC in a new place could help you. In september I'am moving to another house, and then I will see, for now I don't know what to do. It kills me.

 

[eidairaman1]

Cap your frames

 

[unluckliesttolik]

Cap your never

Cap your frames

never reply here again

 

[eidairaman1]

You are letting your frames run uncapped which causes freezes, this has been a problem since the early days of hardware accelerated graphics, the first Peripheral Component Interconnect and Accelerated Graphics Port cards.

Cap your frames otherwise they will cap you in games.

Fyi You came here looking for help and I gave a solution.

 

[unluckliesttolik]

You are letting your frames run uncapped which causes freezes, this has been a problem since the early days of hardware accelerated graphics, the first Peripheral Component Interconnect and Accelerated Graphics Port cards.

Cap your frames otherwise they will cap you in games.

Fyi You came here looking for help and I gave a solution.

My FPS always was capped, 244 cap with 240hz monitor

 

[dgianstefani]

My FPS always was capped, 244 cap with 240hz monitor

Should be 237.

 

[unluckliesttolik]

Should be 237.

shouldn’t

 

[eidairaman1]

Do 120

 

[unluckliesttolik]

Do 120

nah i said, don’t reply if u have no idea what are you talkin about, why should I cap it at 120 when my pc runs 400 fps and my monitor is 240hz

 

[freeagent]

Be nice.

 

[eidairaman1]

nah i said, don’t reply if u have no idea what are you talkin about, why should I cap it at 120 when my pc runs 400 fps and my monitor is 240hz

Give it a shot and see if your issue stops, it is a diagnostic. Otherwise go buy a RX 7900XTX Nitro or RTX 4090 AMP Extreme and the Fastest AMD or Intel CPU and fastest Ram, SSD.

Been on here since 2007, what about you?

 

[unluckliesttolik]

Give it a shot and see if your issue stops, it is a diagnostic. Otherwise go buy a RX 7900XTX Nitro or RTX 4090 AMP Extreme and the Fastest AMD or Intel CPU and fastest Ram, SSD.

Been on here since 2007, what about you?

buy a ferrari and run it max 60km/h.
You think I didn’t try to cap it at 120? Here is my answer - I’ve tried

 

[eidairaman1]

Will tell you Corsair Vengeance doesn't play nice with Ryzen Systems.

Go find latencymon, run it and get back with screenshots of it.

Says you didnt change monitor cables, did you even do an os drive format?