AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT

[theouto]

This has everything to do with the 4060ti being trash if the 4060ti performed more like a 4070 these cards would be 100 cheaper but that isn't reality.

Naming is mostly irrelevant not sure why people are so hung up over it....

If I had to guess it's because before pricing was somewhat consisting, or at least it would follow a clear line. both AMD and NVIDIA have been nonsensical with both pricing and naming. 1200 dollar 4080? the predecessor was 700 dollars? nah that'll be fine, gpu work, people buy, make money big win. Meanwhile AMD is trying to combat NVIDIA by going "Look guys, our gpu tiers are actually going down in price!" while delivering you the performance they always would've given you anyways for that price. So yeah, names mean nothing, but they do to people, and specially marketing.

 

[Icon Charlie]

The Rumors I received were correct. There is no real performance advantage of the 7800XT

Why am I going to pay $500.00 video in reality a $400 dollar video card? HARD PASS for me.

This card exists to shore up the pricing of their 7900/7900XT. And that is all this video card is priced for. TO SHORE UP the 7900XT/7900XTX sales

You just have to look at the pricing scheme on all of this nonsense.

And you only have to wonder why AMD only made a NET profit of 27 million in the 2nd quarter earnings

Here is a quote from their 2nd quarter financials in Gaming.

• Gaming segment revenue was $1.6 billion, down 4% year-over-year. Semi-custom revenue grew year-over-year, which was more than offset by lower gaming graphics revenue.
  • Revenue declined 10% sequentially primarily due to lower gaming graphics sales.

This is what happens when you shaft their video card customer base and AMD knows this. But they are shifting gears into other venues and pretty much giving Ngreedia the market.

 

[R0H1T]

They made less because they're still digesting Xilinx's acquisition costs.

Gaming's probably a distant third or fourth in their profitable segments after EPYC, Zen & AI(?) through Xilinx!

 

[oxrufiioxo]

They made less because they're still digesting Xilinx's acquisition costs.

Gaming's probably a distant third or fourth in their profitable segments after EPYC, Zen & AI(?) through Xilinx!

Not to mention the majority of their gaming revenue comes from the PS5/Xbox series consoles.

 

[Chrispy_]

Has anyone who bought from a physical store today tried undervolting theirs yet? Mine's not arriving for another 18 hours and I'm curious how low you can get power consumption without a significant impact to clockspeeds.

I have a 6800XT running at nominal boost clocks (2250MHz), undervolted to 1035mv, GPU-Z and the driver both report 175-185W but that isn't total board power so TDP is likely in the 220W region.

 

[R0H1T]

Yes & dGPU is an ever shrinking segment, despite claims to the contrary.

Not to mention the majority of their gaming revenue comes from the PS5/Xbox series consoles.

Oof. Desktop GPU sales are down almost 40% year-to-year

Recent reports from Jon Peddie Research show a big tumble in discrete graphics card shipments—and the numbers aren’t predicted to improve yet.

www.pcworld.com

 

[Papa_Jay_]

Performance per dollar is starting to be misleading without taking Raytracing into account now-a-days. The 7800 XT is 4-5% better than the 4070 on avg. in Raster-performance but the 4070 is about 13% better on avg. in Raytracing games.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Yes & dGPU is an ever shrinking segment, despite claims to the contrary.

Oof. Desktop GPU sales are down almost 40% year-to-year

Recent reports from Jon Peddie Research show a big tumble in discrete graphics card shipments—and the numbers aren’t predicted to improve yet.

www.pcworld.com

It comes in waves though I wouldn't be surprised for it to bounce back in a generation or 2 the likely largest culprit is both AMD/Nvidia pricing most consumers out of the market and everyone still paying off their overpriced pandemic/shortage gpu assuming they purchased one.

Performance per dollar is starting to be misleading without taking Raytracing into account now-a-days. The 7800 XT is 4-5% better than the 4070 on avg. in Raster-performance but the 4070 is about 13% better on avg. in Raytracing games.

RT isn't important to a lot of users and game to game the differences can be drastic so it really is on the prospective buyer to look at what games they plan on using RT in and then making a decision. This card is also 20% cheaper so it would still technically have better PP just going by TPU charts.

 

[kapone32]

The RX 7800 XT has higher power consumption than expected, but good thing now is RTX 4070 will have to come down in price and that will mean it will be the best all around card, despite its lack of execution units and vRAM.

Let me get this right you listed 2 negatives that effect raster and still say it will be the best?

Performance per dollar is starting to be misleading without taking Raytracing into account now-a-days. The 7800 XT is 4-5% better than the 4070 on avg. in Raster-performance but the 4070 is about 13% better on avg. in Raytracing games.

When I see RT in Games I actually play I may care.

 

[R0H1T]

It comes in waves though I wouldn't be surprised for it to bounce back in a generation or 2 the likely largest culprit is both AMD/Nvidia pricing most consumers out of the market and everyone still paying off their overpriced pandemic/shortage gpu assuming they purchased one.

It will bounce back a little bit but it's not reversing, most users just get a notebook these days & are fine with that. There's also Apple which is kinda seeing a resurgence like never before & believe it or not consoles ~ handheld as well as traditional which will keep eating in to the sales. Maintaining a 4-5-6 pound GPU is already a hassle as it is

 

[oxrufiioxo]

It will bounce back a little bit but it's not reversing, most users just get a notebook these days & are fine with that. There's also Apple which is kinda seeing a resurgence like never before & believe it or not consoles ~ handheld as well as traditional which will keep eating in to the sales. Maintaining a 4-5-6 pound GPU is already a hassle as it is

Yeah the PS5 PRO will give AMD a bump which looks like it's going to be very similar to this 7800XT with likely minor cuts on the gpu side so pricing will be interesting. Then 3 years after that we will probably get a new generations of consoles. I doubt Nvidia will care about consoles other than providing low end hardware to Nintendo which honestly has probably paid off pretty well for them.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Honestly, its not a bad card. It offers 6800xt performance, but with 6800 power draw and a price between the 6800 and 6750 xt.

I feel that, in any other generation, this would have been called the 7750xt and would have been called a great successor. The boat anchor that was rDNA2 being available so cheap post pandemic really clouds the value of this card.

That and I feel the wet fart that was the RTX 4000 series has stank up the room for GPU launches, everyone is super pessimistic because of the sheer price greed from nvidia.

 

[TheDeeGee]

how can you factually prove that its better than Native?
No one has ever had base line picture quality comparison in any review for proof of this so called " better than native"
It's all opinion based conclusions.

Check image stability.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Honestly, its not a bad card. It offers 6800xt performance, but with 6800 power draw and a price between the 6800 and 6750 xt.

I feel that, in any other generation, this would have been called the 7750xt and would have been called a great successor. The boat anchor that was rDNA2 being available so cheap post pandemic really clouds the value of this card.

That and I feel the wet fart that was the RTX 4000 series has stank up the room for GPU launches, everyone is super pessimistic because of the sheer price greed from nvidia.

I still think people view amd as a budget gpu maker which also clouds people's judgment on any gpu they release. In a vacuum this is substantially better than the 4060ti/4060ti 16GB launch that wasn't that long ago but because it's amd if they aren't giving the cards away for free it's a disaster. I'd even say it's their best launch this generation with the 7900XTX being a distant second.

You also have the Nvidia fanboys hoping this was priced lower in the hopes that they can get a 4070 for cheaper smh good luck with that.

Naming is irrelevant people should just decide what gpu gives them the best for their money and for some that might be this gpu for others it will not and that's ok.

 

[Assimilator]

Bad card at a good price. Kills the 4060 Ti 16GB outright and seriously weakens the position of the 4060 Ti 8GB and 4070. Finally we have some honest competition in the GPU market!

You expect companies to factor that in every time they release something ?

Yes. Because you want to be competing with your competitor, not yourself.

Is 41W video playback power consumption a new normal that is not listen as a con?

For AMD, incompetence in regulating idle power usage has been normal for literally years at this point.

So the correct and fair comparison is always MSRP vs MSRP.

No it's not, because that's not how consumers work.

 

[Avro Arrow]

I don't know if this has been said already but...

In the GPU Database's relative performance chart, the RX 7800 XT shows as being 3% slower than the RX 6800 XT but the RX 7700 XT shows as being 2% faster. Also, they don't pop up in the normal graph, they're MIA, kinda like the RX 6700. I don't know what causes that but it is a thing.

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

Check image stability.

That tells me nothing, as it's impossible to show. on my screen with a video as it's already compressed & shrinked.
You can overlay a picture with software to find faults in each upscaling tech. The fact no one is doing is it proof it just a myth "that it's better than Native."
This was done years ago to prove picture quality differences in cpu's.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

That tells me nothing, as it's impossible to show. on my screen with a video as it's already compressed & shrinked.
You can overlay a picture with software to find faults in each upscaling tech. The fact no one is doing is it proof it just a myth "that it's better than Native."
This was done years ago to prove picture quality differences in cpu's.

Well better is always going to be subjective but in Starfields case the native TAA is super bad the FSR2 is one of the better implementations and DLSS takes it up another notch.... Doesn't matter how many reviewers or comparisons show that DLSS is better than FSR and in some cases native TAA people are going to believe or not believe whatever they want to no use arguing with anyone online. Thankfully if you are an Nvidia user you can choose between every option and decide what's best for you.

 

[fevgatos]

And it's almost certain to play out the way Gsync vs Freesync did, that one also had dedicated Nvidia hardware. Proprietary doesn't work much in the consumer space because it's more expensive & AMD probably has another half a dozen or so handheld consoles launching just this year! Alongside probably some China exclusive full sized consoles as well, like this one ~

A Quick Look at the Subor Z+ Console/PC Hybrid: A Custom AMD SoC Called FireFlight

Gsync cost more. DLSS does not.

 

[Avro Arrow]

These are utter trash... GUTTER trash even! Let's look at what the RX 7800 XT should be, eh?

Once upon a time, there were two rival cards called the RX 6800 XT and the RTX 3080. They were very equally matched in gaming performance. The RTX 3080 was better at ray-tracing but the RX 6800 XT had 60% more VRAM.

Time passed and the RTX 3080 was replaced by the RTX 4080. Fast-forward to today and the RX 6800 XT has been replaced by the RX 7800 XT. So, one would think that the rival for the old RTX 3080's replacement should be the replacement of its rival, the RX 6800 XT, eh? Oops, that didn't happen and the RX 7800 XT is, at most, what should've replaced the RX 6700 XT.

This is because AMD gave a dishonest and misleading name to the card that should have been the RX 7800 XT... the RX 7900 XTX. This was done to try to justify charging $1,000 for the card, a price that AMD had always reserved for halo-level-9 cards like the RX 6900 XT.

We're getting jebaited and yet people are praising AMD. Not because AMD did anything good, but because the bad stuff they did wasn't as bad as what nVidia did. Unfortunately, that's setting the bar really low and at least nVidia was up-front about screwing people. Instead of a dishonest naming scheme, they just hid behind the lies of Jensen Huang when he tried to claim that "Moore's Law is Dead!".

The fact that some people aren't completely outraged that AMD would insult our intelligence with these cards makes me realise just how screwed we all are because they'll be making more lame excuses for AMD and nVidia next generation and the next, etc. As a species, we have lost not only our brains, but our spines. There's another manufactured GPU shortage coming that they'll use as another excuse to raise prices back to pandemic-levels. Buy the best card that you can afford right now because in a year, the price will be double.

 

[fevgatos]

In a vacuum this is substantially better than the 4060ti/4060ti 16GB launch that wasn't that long ago but because it's amd if they aren't giving the cards away for free it's a disaster

Is it though? According to the graphs, the 7800xt has like 2% better performance per dollar than the 4060ti. That's in just raster, in RT the 4060ti has better performance per dollar. Also not taking into account how much more efficient the 4060ti, and that it supports both FSR and DLSS, while also having FG. So, the whole forum was going on a rampage about how terrible the 4060ti is and that it should have been named 4050. Suddenly a GPU with 2% better value on raster is a good card. Interesting.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Is it though? According to the graphs, the 7800xt has like 2% better performance per dollar than the 4060ti. That's in just raster, in RT the 4060ti has better performance per dollar. Also not taking into account how much more efficient the 4060ti, and that it supports both FSR and DLSS, while also having FG. So, the whole forum was going on a rampage about how terrible the 4060ti is and that it should have been named 4050. Suddenly a GPU with 2% better value on raster is a good card. Interesting.

Only an Nvidia fanboy would judge these cards based on 1080p data just becuase nvidia decides to release cards for 400+ aimed at 1080p performance doesn't mean that's how I will judge them.


That be like me only looking at 4k where it obliterates the 4060ti 16GB in P/P

If you like the 8GB 4060ti better good for you.

 

[R0H1T]

Once upon a time, there were two rival cards called the RX 6800 XT and the RTX 3080.

Once upon a time they also cost you as much as some second hand cars, so there's that as well. So while comparing the current gen to previous gen prices is fair you also are conveniently ignoring just how inflated those prices were for so long, not to mention AMD & especially Nvidia lowered them so much only to dump excess stock after the crypto bust! Heck if that bubble hadn't popped Nvidia would still be charging you one kidney's worth of monies for that 3080. We'll talk when the 7xxx series goes on regular sale 3-6 months down the line.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Once upon a time they also cost you as much as some second hand cars, so there's that as well.

Also once upon a time we had the 580 vs the 1080 and the RX 280/380 vs the 980 and the 7870/7850 vs the 680 by that logic lol.

I think what's really going on is he is upset the 500 amd card does not compete with the 11-1200 nvidia one...

 

[pavle]

Let me get this right you listed 2 negatives that effect raster and still say it will be the best?

HSR.

For AMD, incompetence in regulating idle power usage has been normal for literally years at this point.

Decades.