AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT

[oxrufiioxo]

It's not replacing a $500 GPU, it's replacing a GPU that correcting for inflation would be $700, MSRP (sustainable pricing, where the store and AMD aren't just taking a loss). Here the 6800XT is out of stock in most stores anyway, It's just a matter of time.

What I think is that AMD should have simply called it the 7800(non-X) and avoided these pointless comparisons.

Or the 7750XT abd the 7700 non XT although regardless of how they are named he's more talking about how the 6800XT has been available for almost a year around 500 usd and at the same price they're giving you a pretty identical performing card with slight gains to power and RT.

I think what really happened was amd waited to see what the floor vs the 4070 was for this kind of performance and decided to finally release it once that price stabilized. Can't really blame them but of course some are expecting $399 when that isn't very realistic. RDNA2 isn't cheap becuase amd want's it to be cheap they just ordered way to much of it and had to do a fire sale to clear inventory

Both seeing this card as a failure or huge success depends on perspective neither is wrong we're human most people view things differently somtimes way differently.

 

[Arkz]

Cheapest I've seen it is £480 for the cheapest Sapphire one, the Pulse. So 3 years after the 3080 at £660 and you can pay £480 for about the same raster, slightly weaker RT, and a lot more VRAM.

That's...okay? I guess. I dunno. Since pricing started to go silly I don't really look positively at any new cards. I've heard people call it mid range. I miss when a mid range card was about £250. But... these times we live in I guess.

Also the gen on gen.. I can't help but feel this should have been the 7700XT, and that the 7900XT was the 7800XT.

 

[outpt]

Nothing for me.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Cheapest I've seen it is £480 for the cheapest Sapphire one, the Pulse. So 3 years after the 3080 at £660 and you can pay £480 for about the same raster, slightly weaker RT, and a lot more VRAM.

That's...okay? I guess. I dunno. Since pricing started to go silly I don't really look positively at any new cards. I've heard people call it mid range. I miss when a mid range card was about £250. But... these times we live in I guess.

Also the gen on gen.. I can't help but feel this should have been the 7700XT, and that the 7900XT was the 7800XT.

While I do miss the pricing I do not miss how high end cards performed in demanding games at 1080p a decade ago.....

 

[HisDivineOrder]

Cheapest I've seen it is £480 for the cheapest Sapphire one, the Pulse. So 3 years after the 3080 at £660 and you can pay £480 for about the same raster, slightly weaker RT, and a lot more VRAM.

That's...okay? I guess. I dunno. Since pricing started to go silly I don't really look positively at any new cards. I've heard people call it mid range. I miss when a mid range card was about £250. But... these times we live in I guess.

Also the gen on gen.. I can't help but feel this should have been the 7700XT, and that the 7900XT was the 7800XT.

AMD and Nvidia used inflation as their excuse to move every die up a market tier. Nvidia then marked every tier up, too. You got to admire such moxie. Or rather I would if it wasn't strangling the golden goose that is PC gaming.

 

[Ruru]

Best release in a while. Without a doubt my next card.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

haha COPIUM there bud.

Did amd send you here to fight the good fight against anyone who is disappointed by this gpu because if you are not getting paid I feel bad for you bruh.

You could add to the conversation instead of being so combating with anyone who doesn't think like you calling people clowns because you don't agree with them is childish at best.

On a side note happy for amd looks like this card is a hit

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Sold out on BB also but they only have 3 models.

I believe its the first card to sell out since the 7900XTX/4090 Here in the states anyway from the current generation.

 

[apoklyps3]

These are utter trash... GUTTER trash even! Let's look at what the RX 7800 XT should be, eh?

Once upon a time, there were two rival cards called the RX 6800 XT and the RTX 3080. They were very equally matched in gaming performance. The RTX 3080 was better at ray-tracing but the RX 6800 XT had 60% more VRAM.

Time passed and the RTX 3080 was replaced by the RTX 4080. Fast-forward to today and the RX 6800 XT has been replaced by the RX 7800 XT. So, one would think that the rival for the old RTX 3080's replacement should be the replacement of its rival, the RX 6800 XT, eh? Oops, that didn't happen and the RX 7800 XT is, at most, what should've replaced the RX 6700 XT.

This is because AMD gave a dishonest and misleading name to the card that should have been the RX 7800 XT... the RX 7900 XTX. This was done to try to justify charging $1,000 for the card, a price that AMD had always reserved for halo-level-9 cards like the RX 6900 XT.

We're getting jebaited and yet people are praising AMD. Not because AMD did anything good, but because the bad stuff they did wasn't as bad as what nVidia did. Unfortunately, that's setting the bar really low and at least nVidia was up-front about screwing people. Instead of a dishonest naming scheme, they just hid behind the lies of Jensen Huang when he tried to claim that "Moore's Law is Dead!".

The fact that some people aren't completely outraged that AMD would insult our intelligence with these cards makes me realise just how screwed we all are because they'll be making more lame excuses for AMD and nVidia next generation and the next, etc. As a species, we have lost not only our brains, but our spines. There's another manufactured GPU shortage coming that they'll use as another excuse to raise prices back to pandemic-levels. Buy the best card that you can afford right now because in a year, the price will be double.

You are not taking pricing in account?
Only AMD has a bad naming scheme?
So Nvidia releasees a supposed successor (4080) to 3080 that has a hight price but you ignore that. No issues there
AMD basically re-releases 6800xt at a lower price+some generational improvements(better rt, av1), but somehow it's the devil. All that because it can't surpass a card double is price

 

[jsven008]

But its not identical... it has less cores, less infinity cache, dedicated AI cores... Also priced far below 6800xt's original msrp.

AMD's real mistake is calling this an XT, should have just called it 7800. Their naming scheme this generation is inconsistent at best.

Correct. This is really an RX 7800, as a direct replacement for the RX 6800 (MSRP $580).
And the 7900GRE (MSRP $649) should of been called the RX 7800XT, as a direct replacement for the RX 6800XT.

The RX 7800XT is really an RX 7800, and the 7900GRE is the real 7800XT.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

You are not taking pricing in account?
Only AMD has a bad naming scheme?
So Nvidia releasees a supposed successor (4080) to 3080 that has a hight price but you ignore that. No issues there
AMD basically re-releases 6800xt at a lower price+some generational improvements(better rt, av1), but somehow it's the devil. All that because it can't surpass a card double is price

I agree, that is one interesting rant. So if this card matched the performance of the 4080 and also got a 70% price hike it is now good?

I don't understand the point they were trying to make the best I could come up with is they want 4080 performance from AMD for 500 usd..... Maybe they will clarify what they actually meant at some point.

I mean this is the competition this generation

4090
4080 vs 7900XTX 100+ cheaper
4070ti vs 7900XT slightly cheaper
4070 vs 7800XT 100 cheaper although the 4060ti 16GB is closer in price so that works as a competitor also either way the card is fine. 450 would have been better but in the states it sold out anyway.
4060ti vs 7700XT more expensive
4060 vs 7600 slightly cheaper

I mean it makes sense to me regardless of the naming.

 

[Dr. Dro]

You sure you're not the clown? Can I call you It?

It's the truth, anyway. Between this 7800 XT and the 6800 XT, it pretty much doesn't matter which one you purchase. Most of the time you probably should learn towards the 3 year old card, which makes this a resounding failure from a price/performance standpoint.

I understand that this is Navi 32 and thus the 6750 XT's replacement, and to that extent it does have a measurable generational improvement, what hasn't gotten better is... well, the Radeon experience as a whole. I'll give it to you straight, an AMD diehard's deepest desire is that they had an Nvidia GPU instead.

I'll be accompanying the price... the performance is quite adequate for a secondary, wingman card. Once these start to devalue, a lot of Pascal GPUs in gamers' hands will be retiring.

 

[jsven008]

Correct. This is really an RX 7800, as a direct replacement for the RX 6800 (MSRP $580).
And the 7900GRE (MSRP $649) should of been called the RX 7800XT, as a direct replacement for the RX 6800XT.

The RX 7800XT is really an RX 7800, and the 7900GRE is the real 7800XT.

Speaking of the 7900GRE, does anyone know where I can buy one of these? I know they are OEM only, but I want to get the real 7800XT.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Speaking of the 7900GRE, does anyone know where I can buy one of these? I know they are OEM only, but I want to get the real 7800XT.

Only buying a prebuilt with the companies that offer them, or maybe AliExpress from China. No other way, unless AMD decides to allow AIB distribution and/or lists it on their first-party store.

No point in buying the GRE over the XT if you don't save at least $150 though.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I understand that this is Navi 32 and thus the 6750 XT's replacement, and to that extent it does have a measurable generational improvement, what hasn't gotten better is... well, the Radeon experience as a whole. I'll give it to you straight, an AMD diehard's deepest desire is that they had an Nvidia GPU instead.

Why you trying to trigger AMD fanboys man lmao
I'm sure there are plenty that look at a Nvidia gpu the same as they look at a steaming pile of shite....

 

[Gica]

We have the answer to the launch delay: they had no solutions for the 7000 series.
The surprise with the 6000 series was due to nVidia's greed, which chose a cheaper solution (Samsung) at the expense of consumption and frequency limitation up to 2100 MHz.

 

[ValenOne]

Gsync cost more. DLSS does not.

NVIDIA GPUs support FreeSync DP monitors.

These are utter trash... GUTTER trash even! Let's look at what the RX 7800 XT should be, eh?

Once upon a time, there were two rival cards called the RX 6800 XT and the RTX 3080. They were very equally matched in gaming performance. The RTX 3080 was better at ray-tracing but the RX 6800 XT had 60% more VRAM.

Time passed and the RTX 3080 was replaced by the RTX 4080. Fast-forward to today and the RX 6800 XT has been replaced by the RX 7800 XT. So, one would think that the rival for the old RTX 3080's replacement should be the replacement of its rival, the RX 6800 XT, eh? Oops, that didn't happen and the RX 7800 XT is, at most, what should've replaced the RX 6700 XT.

This is because AMD gave a dishonest and misleading name to the card that should have been the RX 7800 XT... the RX 7900 XTX. This was done to try to justify charging $1,000 for the card, a price that AMD had always reserved for halo-level-9 cards like the RX 6900 XT.

We're getting jebaited and yet people are praising AMD. Not because AMD did anything good, but because the bad stuff they did wasn't as bad as what nVidia did. Unfortunately, that's setting the bar really low and at least nVidia was up-front about screwing people. Instead of a dishonest naming scheme, they just hid behind the lies of Jensen Huang when he tried to claim that "Moore's Law is Dead!".

The fact that some people aren't completely outraged that AMD would insult our intelligence with these cards makes me realise just how screwed we all are because they'll be making more lame excuses for AMD and nVidia next generation and the next, etc. As a species, we have lost not only our brains, but our spines. There's another manufactured GPU shortage coming that they'll use as another excuse to raise prices back to pandemic-levels. Buy the best card that you can afford right now because in a year, the price will be double.

Model numbers are just marketing labels. The ASIC model number is the real model number.

Like any competitor, AMD competes against the competition, not against itself.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Speaking of the 7900GRE, does anyone know where I can buy one of these? I know they are OEM only, but I want to get the real 7800XT.

Def not worth $150 over the 7800XT maybe 50 usd at most....

 

[Dr. Dro]

Why you trying to trigger AMD fanboys man lmao
I'm sure there are plenty that look at a Nvidia gpu the same as they look at a steaming pile of shite....

I mean, don't get me wrong. You kinda know what I meant by that. It is a bit of a poke, sure, but it's also one done in good taste. They want performant, stable, feature-rich GPUs... and they want it without the markup that Nvidia charges us for it. Which really aligns their interests with... my own? I'm not all that happy overpaying for GPUs just to get one that won't let me down. But releasing cards with lukewarm performance and a million bugs is not too enticing, and this is coming from a guy who has had a privileged line to get these things reported. I've lost heart when they didn't fix the ones I reported in the past.

 

[ValenOne]

what's the point of selling a product that is identical (or even slower) with the product it replaces? for more money...
seems like the clowns at AMD working overtime again...
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[oxrufiioxo]

I mean, don't get me wrong. You kinda know what I meant by that. It is a bit of a poke, sure, but it's also one done in good taste. They want performant, stable, feature-rich GPUs... and they want it without the markup that Nvidia charges us for it. Which really aligns their interests with... my own? I'm not all that happy overpaying for GPUs just to get one that won't let me down. But releasing cards with lukewarm performance and a million bugs is not too enticing, and this is coming from a guy who has had a privileged line to get these things reported. I've lost heart when they didn't fix the ones I reported in the past.

Yeah I hear you, I didn't really see any issue with a 6700XT and 6800XT system I put together last generation a couple games underperformed but no major issues. I also couldn't reproduce the issues people had with the 5700XT so that is probably why my view of AMD is higher than yours. I also try to remember that Nvidia likely has 5x the R&D budget that AMD does if not more so I can appreciate that they are at least able to make a couple viable alternatives.

Trust me I want more than anything for them to make a card that is so awesome that It makes me ditch Nvidia the same way I did intel after the 9th generation although it was really rocket lake that made me roll my eyes so hard into the back of my head I almost went blind.... Although I am happy Intel has seemingly turned it around and hope whatever is on their next socket entices me to pick it up.

At the end of the day we need all these companies to do better as the consumers or else the best we will get is a 4060ti 8GB gen on gen every year.

 

[apoklyps3]

at this point RTX 4070 only makes sense if gets a 100$ price cut
this is what a sane person wants : competition. it the only way we will get a somewhat fair price for what we are willing to pay to get a piece of hardware.

 

[tfdsaf]

The Rumors I received were correct. There is no real performance advantage of the 7800XT

Why am I going to pay $500.00 video in reality a $400 dollar video card? HARD PASS for me.

This card exists to shore up the pricing of their 7900/7900XT. And that is all this video card is priced for. TO SHORE UP the 7900XT/7900XTX sales

You just have to look at the pricing scheme on all of this nonsense.

And you only have to wonder why AMD only made a NET profit of 27 million in the 2nd quarter earnings

Here is a quote from their 2nd quarter financials in Gaming.

• Gaming segment revenue was $1.6 billion, down 4% year-over-year. Semi-custom revenue grew year-over-year, which was more than offset by lower gaming graphics revenue.
  • Revenue declined 10% sequentially primarily due to lower gaming graphics sales.

This is what happens when you shaft their video card customer base and AMD knows this. But they are shifting gears into other venues and pretty much giving Ngreedia the market.

Because its the best value card this generation, because it has AV1 support, it has 10bit support, it will run FSR3 when available, it has 16GB of vram and even when compared to the RX 6800XT its still a better card, performing generally few percentages better and costing on average $50 less. Again the average 6800XT price is $550, the absolute lowest price is at $530, but these are usually temporary and local pricings that don't last very long and very few people can get them at those prices.

I still don't think in the grand scheme of things its a great card, but when you look at this and the past generation, this is probably the best GPU to come out! I think it should in reality cost $450 or even less, but you need to blame Nvidia pricing their mid-range RTX 4070 at $600! Their GTX 770 was $400, GTX 970 $330, GTX 1070 $380. It was with the RTX 2000 series when Nvidia truly became Ngreedia and started overcharging for every single product and pricing them 1 tier above, while maintaining their previous performance!

 

[Dr. Dro]

Because its the best value card this generation, because it has AV1 support, it has 10bit support, it will run FSR3 when available, it has 16GB of vram and even when compared to the RX 6800XT its still a better card, performing generally few percentages better and costing on average $50 less. Again the average 6800XT price is $550, the absolute lowest price is at $530, but these are usually temporary and local pricings that don't last very long and very few people can get them at those prices.

I still don't think in the grand scheme of things its a great card, but when you look at this and the past generation, this is probably the best GPU to come out! I think it should in reality cost $450 or even less, but you need to blame Nvidia pricing their mid-range RTX 4070 at $600! Their GTX 770 was $400, GTX 970 $330, GTX 1070 $380. It was with the RTX 2000 series when Nvidia truly became Ngreedia and started overcharging for every single product and pricing them 1 tier above, while maintaining their previous performance!

If you want video processing, you're still buying the 4060 Ti due to AMD's limitations with 4:2:2 video, and it will also run FSR 3 and DLSS FG. FSR 3 will also run on the 6800 XT, so this doesn't really apply.

 

[Bwaze]

Jensen Huang, Nvidia, September 2022:

"Moore's law is dead. And the ability for Moore's Law to deliver twice the performance at the same cost, or at the same performance and half the cost, every year and a half is over. It's completely over."

"So first of all, a 12-inch wafer is a lot more expensive today than it was yesterday. And and it's not a little bit more expensive; it is a ton more expensive."

"The idea that that that that a chip is going to go down in cost over time, unfortunately, is a story of the past."

There is no going back, no matter how much the market falls due to the rising prices of products. If the gaming market can't afford their products, they'll focus primarily on AI acceleration and potential cryptomining comeback. Poor persons need not apply.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Poor persons need not apply.

If you're on a budget, surely you don't need to be on the bleeding edge?