AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT

[tfdsaf]

It's the truth, anyway. Between this 7800 XT and the 6800 XT, it pretty much doesn't matter which one you purchase. Most of the time you probably should learn towards the 3 year old card, which makes this a resounding failure from a price/performance standpoint.

I understand that this is Navi 32 and thus the 6750 XT's replacement, and to that extent it does have a measurable generational improvement, what hasn't gotten better is... well, the Radeon experience as a whole. I'll give it to you straight, an AMD diehard's deepest desire is that they had an Nvidia GPU instead.

I'll be accompanying the price... the performance is quite adequate for a secondary, wingman card. Once these start to devalue, a lot of Pascal GPUs in gamers' hands will be retiring.

Why would anyone buy a RX 6800XT over the faster and better 7800xt? Again, why do people only look at the absolute cheapest price of the RX 6800XT? That is very misleading and not the standard, most RX 6800XT have been at $550 for months, its literally AFTER the 7800XT launched that some prices have fallen really low as AIB partners are looking to sell off remaining stock!

A $500 6800XT vs a $500 7800XT its a no brainer to get the RX 7800XT! Its slightly faster if you look at most reviews, especially ones who test with more games like this website for example, it has AV1 support, its relatively more energy efficient and will get better game optimizations for it as the newer architecture!

I think this is the best value card this generation, and even though I'd prefer it to be $450 and go back to pre-mining era pricing, we can't do that because of NVIDIA!
Nvidia's greed knows no boundaries and as long as the RTX 4070 costs $600 we won't see any price movement! Realistically the RTX should cost $400, in line with decades of previous generation x70 GPU's, but for scam reasons it is $600 and people still buy it!

Why does everyone expect AMD to come in the the 7800XT named RX 7700 and costing $300, only for them to still buy Nvidia when Nvidia drops the price of the RTX4070 by something pathetic like $50 dollars!

 

[apoklyps3]

If you want video processing, you're still buying the 4060 Ti due to AMD's limitations with 4:2:2 video, and it will also run FSR 3 and DLSS FG. FSR 3 will also run on the 6800 XT, so this doesn't really apply.

I'm buying 4060ti, in any way or shape seconds before I'm going to be commited to a mental hospital for the rest of my life.

 

[xorbe]

Ballpark 3080Ti 4K perf and 16GB for $500 seems like a decent deal, but I am out of the gpu loop recently.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Why would anyone buy a RX 6800XT over the faster and better 7800xt? Again, why do people only look at the absolute cheapest price of the RX 6800XT? That is very misleading and not the standard, most RX 6800XT have been at $550 for months, its literally AFTER the 7800XT launched that some prices have fallen really low as AIB partners are looking to sell off remaining stock!

A $500 6800XT vs a $500 7800XT its a no brainer to get the RX 7800XT! Its slightly faster if you look at most reviews, especially ones who test with more games like this website for example, it has AV1 support, its relatively more energy efficient and will get better game optimizations for it as the newer architecture!

I think this is the best value card this generation, and even though I'd prefer it to be $450 and go back to pre-mining era pricing, we can't do that because of NVIDIA!
Nvidia's greed knows no boundaries and as long as the RTX 4070 costs $600 we won't see any price movement! Realistically the RTX should cost $400, in line with decades of previous generation x70 GPU's, but for scam reasons it is $600 and people still buy it!

Why does everyone expect AMD to come in the the 7800XT named RX 7700 and costing $300, only for them to still buy Nvidia when Nvidia drops the price of the RTX4070 by something pathetic like $50 dollars!

There's plenty of benchmarks where the 6800 XT is ahead, and not by an insignificant margin. It is not faster, it'd be generous to call them dead even. I don't think it's always a no-brainer, it'll depend on the use case and the prices being practiced on either model. RDNA 2 should also decode AV1, just not encode it, but this isn't too critical - i'd be more concerned with the improved h.264 encoding... Ampere's NVENC was quite competent, but this is not the case with RDNA 2's.

The rest is speculative, but like I said - you have it inverted, if we can't have a competitive market it's not because of Nvidia. They're the market leaders, so they set the standards that AMD and Intel must match and exceed. Like I said earlier, an AMD fan's deepest desire is that they owned an Nvidia GPU. Let that sink in, I do not say this to stoke fires but to objectively look at what Nvidia offers and AMD does not. Since only Nvidia can offer what they do, they charge for this privilege.

Software and hardware have a symbiotic relationship. If one falters, both suffer, and AMD's achilles heel has long been their substandard drivers. Yes, they have improved lately... but most AMD diehards make it a point to never buy an Nvidia card, so they don't know what they're missing out on and set their foot down on this belief that they're equivalent, and go out on limbs criticizing the NVCP being outdated or something.

I'm buying 4060ti, in any way or shape seconds before I'm going to be commited to a mental hospital for the rest of my life.

Welcome to the madhouse, mate.

 

[JustBenching]

I'm buying 4060ti, in any way or shape seconds before I'm going to be commited to a mental hospital for the rest of my life.

That was exactly my point in the previous posts. The 4060ti has very very similar, almost identical, performance per dollar on raster with the 7800xt. You would be just as mad buying the 7800xt as well, since not only does it have as bad raster per dollar, but lacks features teh 4060ti has.

 

[ViperXTR]

Local retailers here started listing the 7800XT on my region and its a lot more expensive than the 4070 and its almost on the 4070ti/7900XT price level lol as expected

 

[ratirt]

That was exactly my point in the previous posts. The 4060ti has very very similar, almost identical, performance per dollar on raster with the 7800xt. You would be just as mad buying the 7800xt as well, since not only does it have as bad raster per dollar, but lacks features teh 4060ti has.

You cant be serious. You really can't be serious with what you are saying. Or maybe you read the data backwards.


the 7800xt is not that good and not that bad. It literally sits between the 6800xt and 6900xt with performance. $500 is an OK price but it should not be called 7800xt but like some suggested simple 7800.

Local retailers here started listing the 7800XT on my region and its a lot more expensive than the 4070 and its almost on the 4070ti/7900XT price level lol as expected

In Norway i see the 7800xt being cheaper than 4060ti and much cheaper than 4070. Which is weird because we would always get screwed so bad with the pricing.

 

[ViperXTR]

In Norway i see the 7800xt being cheaper than 4060ti and much cheaper than 4070. Which is weird because we would always get screwed so bad with the pricing.

lucky, here for years its almost always like this, specially when pandemic hit. RDNA2 is even very rare or non existent, and even if there is, its a lot more expensive.
For reference, here are the prices, converted to USD, its around 756 to 880 USD

 

[JustBenching]

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You cant be serious. You really can't be serious with what you are saying. Or maybe you read the data backwards.


the 7800xt is not that good and not that bad. It literally sits between the 6800xt and 6900xt with performance. $500 is an OK price but it should not be called 7800xt but like some suggested simple 7800.


In Norway i see the 7800xt being cheaper than 4060ti and much cheaper than 4070. Which is weird because we would always get screwed so bad with the pricing.

Your link...proved my point? The difference in performance per dollar is literally 10% in 1440p and 3% in 1080p. Considering the 4060ti was deemed as garbage, 10% better doesn't make the 7800xt a great card, does it? What am I missing?

 

[ratirt]

lucky, here for years its almost always like this, specially when pandemic hit. RDNA2 is even very rare or non existent, and even if there is, its a lot more expensive.
For reference, here are the prices, converted to USD, its around 756 to 880 USD

I did not say it costs $500 since it does cost more than that but the gist for this is the 4060 Ti 8GB and 16GB cost more than a 7800xt.

Your link...proved my point? The difference in performance per dollar is literally 10% in 1440p and 3% in 1080p. Considering the 4060ti was deemed as garbage, 10% better doesn't make the 7800xt a great card, does it? What am I missing?

I proved your point? where do you see the 10% performance difference because when I look at the numbers it is way more than 10% and it costs less (at least in Norway around $20-$25) than a 4060Ti 8GB so I really don't get what I have proven you being right. With the 4060 Ti16gb it is even worse.

 

[JustBenching]

I proved your point? where do you see the 10% performance difference because when I look at the numbers it is way more than 10% and it costs less (at least in Norway around $20-$25) than a 4060Ti 8GB so I really don't get what I have proven you being right. With the 4060 Ti16gb it is even worse.

Do you speak performance per dollar? Try to pay more attention to posts you reply to maybe?

 

[big_glasses]

In Norway i see the 7800xt being cheaper than 4060ti and much cheaper than 4070. Which is weird because we would always get screwed so bad with the pricing.

seeing the 7900XT cheaper than 4070ti also

the 7800XT seems very decently prices here in Norway compared to the MSRP (sure didn't feel like it last "season" and especially not for nVidia. unless part of a new package, you gotta be a special person to purchase it here...)

 

[ratirt]

Do you speak performance per dollar? Try to pay more attention to posts you reply to maybe?

Exactly that. your 10% means nothing if you talking about performance per dollar since that metric tells you all you need to know already and diverting to percentage difference between two products is pointless. This clearly shows that the card like 7800xt is faster by a noticeable margin and costs noticeably less. What else do you need to know the 4060Ti 8GB and 16Gb is garbage?
You may argue that few cents is nothing huge to pay for performance so if you said you would still go 4070 i would not blame you but saying the 4060Ti's are good because you have deducted 10% difference in cents value? That is not what that metric is for.

 

[AusWolf]

I nearly bought a 6950 XT for £620 a while back. Then I looked at Scan last night, and found the 7800 XT for £480. I thought "this is awesome, I'll read the reviews after work, and see if it's worth ordering". Now, after work, I see that it is, but it's out of stock now.

 

[ilyon]

Still, no DLSS. What's wrong with. AMD these days ???

 

[LordOfNebulae]

These are utter trash... GUTTER trash even! Let's look at what the RX 7800 XT should be, eh?

Once upon a time, there were two rival cards called the RX 6800 XT and the RTX 3080. They were very equally matched in gaming performance. The RTX 3080 was better at ray-tracing but the RX 6800 XT had 60% more VRAM.

Time passed and the RTX 3080 was replaced by the RTX 4080. Fast-forward to today and the RX 6800 XT has been replaced by the RX 7800 XT. So, one would think that the rival for the old RTX 3080's replacement should be the replacement of its rival, the RX 6800 XT, eh? Oops, that didn't happen and the RX 7800 XT is, at most, what should've replaced the RX 6700 XT.

This is because AMD gave a dishonest and misleading name to the card that should have been the RX 7800 XT... the RX 7900 XTX. This was done to try to justify charging $1,000 for the card, a price that AMD had always reserved for halo-level-9 cards like the RX 6900 XT.

Please stop with these naming nonsenses.

RTX 3080/4080 launch prices : 700$ vs 1200$ - 71% price increase for 50% perfs increase.
RX 6800 XT/7800XT : 650$ vs 500$ - 24% price reduction with 3% perfs increase.


Only price and performances matter

 

[AusWolf]

Still, no DLSS. What's wrong with. AMD these days ???

Yes! AMD should absolutely support Nvidia-exclusive technologies! How dare they not?

Seriously though, are you being serious?

 

[apoklyps3]

Yes! AMD should absolutely support Nvidia-exclusive technologies! How dare they not?

Seriously though, are you being serious?

not just support, hire hackers to steal the source code from nvidia too =))))

 

[MarsM4N]

That was exactly my point in the previous posts. The 4060ti has very very similar, almost identical, performance per dollar on raster with the 7800xt. You would be just as mad buying the 7800xt as well, since not only does it have as bad raster per dollar, but lacks features teh 4060ti has.

The higher the resolution goes the better the 7800 XT comes out in performance/$ compared to the 4060ti. Also you get STARFIELD on top, which is min. another 65 bucks.

People who're interested in 7800 XT performance aren't even looking at the 4060ti as a serious alternative, because it isn't anywhere close. The 7800 XT is competing (and beating) with the RTX 4070, which goes for at least 35 bucks more right now, and without a 65 bucks game on top.

In Norway i see the 7800xt being cheaper than 4060ti and much cheaper than 4070. Which is weird because we would always get screwed so bad with the pricing.

Really, how's that even possible? Over here the 7800 XT is starting at ~565€, the RTX 4070 at ~600€ (incl. shipping). The 7700 XT comes in at ~480€ and the 4060ti goes for ~400€.

 

[ratirt]

Really, how's that even possible? Over here the 7800 XT is starting at ~565€, the RTX 4070 at ~600€ (incl. shipping). The 7700 XT comes in at ~480€ and the 4060ti goes for ~400€.

But i think you would be able to find a 4060 Ti that is cheaper if you look around on different sites and use prisjakt.no you definitely would but that does not change much to be fair.

 

[JustBenching]

Exactly that. your 10% means nothing if you talking about performance per dollar since that metric tells you all you need to know already and diverting to percentage difference between two products is pointless. This clearly shows that the card like 7800xt is faster by a noticeable margin and costs noticeably less. What else do you need to know the 4060Ti 8GB and 16Gb is garbage?
You may argue that few cents is nothing huge to pay for performance so if you said you would still go 4070 i would not blame you but saying the 4060Ti's are good because you have deducted 10% difference in cents value? That is not what that metric is for.

But it doesn't cost noticeably less. The 7800xt is more expensive than the 4060ti and offers very similar performance per dollar in raster and loses in rt.

 

[ratirt]

But it doesn't cost noticeably less. The 7800xt is more expensive than the 4060ti and offers very similar performance per dollar in raster and loses in rt.

By the market pricing and performance. The 7800xt is a better value than any of the 4060Ti's and that is it. There is nothing more here to look at. There is no % of how good or bad thing is with this metric. You also have to keep in mind that the 7800xt has just been released and it is already a better value than the 4060Ti released when? Exactly. the card 4060 Ti has already sold a lot of units and thus the price went down and you compare it to a card that has just been released. You may argue about it sure but the fact is 7800xt is much faster and and has a better value. There is no reason to talk about of a degree of how much more value the 7800xt has over 4060ti. Literally no reason.

But it doesn't cost noticeably less. The 7800xt is more expensive than the 4060ti and offers very similar performance per dollar in raster and loses in rt.

But it has better value. Right? What more do you need?
You are creating your own reality by twisting it. 7800xt has better value than 4060ti. What else is there to say?
lets say hypothetically.
$5.12 for 4060 Ti 8GB
and lets say the 7800xt is not $4.62 as it is but instead is $5.20. Which would mean the 4060Ti 8GB would have had a better value and yet I'd still go with the 7800XT or just get a 4070 instead. Do you know why I would do that?

 

[theouto]

The thing is with the 4060ti vs 7800XT in performance per dollar, the 4060ti with that performance per dollar (that it still loses on) has 8GB of Vram, which while in some titles may not impact performance, it noticeably degrades image quality, such is the case in hogwarts legacy, and where it doesn't, it's a stuttery mess, such is the case with The Last of Us part I. You will be making tradeoffs on both sides, but like we saw earlier from the Hardware Unboxed screenshots, the 7800XT is still the best price to performance, while the 4060ti 16GB sits dead on a ditch as one of the worst GPUs you could buy for that money.

 

[ratirt]

The thing is with the 4060ti vs 7800XT in performance per dollar, the 4060ti with that performance per dollar (that it still loses on) has 8GB of Vram, which while in some titles may not impact performance, it noticeably degrades image quality, such is the case in hogwarts legacy, and where it doesn't, it's a stuttery mess, such is the case with The Last of Us part I. You will be making tradeoffs on both sides, but like we saw earlier from the Hardware Unboxed screenshots, the 7800XT is still the best price to performance, while the 4060ti 16GB sits dead on a ditch as one of the worst GPUs you could buy for that money.

Exactly. Performance per dollar tells you something, gives you a perspective but it does not tell the entire story. You can't base your purchase strictly by performance per dollar.
If there was a card for $180 with FPS average of 40, you would not consider that card as a main card for gaming for yourself even though it would have had a better value than currently 7800xt has and that is despite the hypothetical cards Vram. Performance per $ gives you a perspective but does not determine your purchase choice only by value marker. At least I would not buy that card despite its value for my gaming rig.

 

[JustBenching]

The thing is with the 4060ti vs 7800XT in performance per dollar, the 4060ti with that performance per dollar (that it still loses on) has 8GB of Vram, which while in some titles may not impact performance, it noticeably degrades image quality, such is the case in hogwarts legacy, and where it doesn't, it's a stuttery mess, such is the case with The Last of Us part I. You will be making tradeoffs on both sides, but like we saw earlier from the Hardware Unboxed screenshots, the 7800XT is still the best price to performance, while the 4060ti 16GB sits dead on a ditch as one of the worst GPUs you could buy for that money.

You'd have to drop textures. The same way you have to drop settings on the 7800xt because it struggles in rt games.