AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT

[MarsM4N]

Gosh, just watched Gamers Nexus's review. The 7800 XT is getting creamed by the 6800 XT in his benchmarks.

The only thing the 7800 XT has going for it is in some games better 1% lows. And better power efficiency. But the 6800 XT has a better UV range, so you can bring it kinda down to the same level.

 

[AusWolf]

The only thing the 7800 XT has going for it is in some games better 1% lows. And better power efficiency.

Also better price, at least here in the UK.

 

[Macro Device]

Also better price, at least here in the UK.

Yeah, in the UK, it's more reasonable.
In Russia, aftermarket 6900 XT is way cheaper than 7800 XT at $400 VS $700 (our BNIB market went complete bananas a couple years ago so you ONLY consider it if you wanna buy the newest gen). We got a lot of reputable used/refurbished GPUs sellers, some of them offer warranty (mostly 10 months or so) and their GPUs usually don't fail.
6800 XT? Possible to get for $330 if you're lucky enough. My mate bought a damaged 6800 XT for $190 (DPs don't work, HDMI only).

 

[kapone32]

And it shouldn't called that. It's not a level-8 card, it's a level-7 card at best.

The names are not, nor have they ever been, arbitrary. From the long-ago days of ATi, Radeon numbers have always followed a specific nomenclature:

Level 9 - Halo-class (RX 7900 XTX, R9 290X, HD 7970, HD 6970, HD 5970, HD 2900 XT, X1900 XTX)
Level 8 - Enthusiast-class (RX 6800 XT, R9 280X, HD 7870, HD 6870, HD 4870, HD 3870, X1800 XT)
Level 7 - High-End Gaming (RX 6700 XT, RX 5700 XT, R9 270, HD 7770, HD 6770, HD 5770, HD 4770)
Level 6 - Mainstream Gaming (RX 6600, RX 5600 XT, RX 260, HD 7670, HD 6670, HD 5670, HD 4670, HD 3670)
Level 5 - Entry-Level Gaming (RX 6500 XT, RX 5500 XT, R9 250X, HD 7470, HD 6550, HD 5550, HD 4550, HD 3570)
Level 4 - Low-Power Gaming / Glorified Video Adapter (RX 6400, R7 240, HD 7450, HD 6450, HD 5450, HD 4450, HD 3450)
Level 3 and Below - Integrated Graphics (HD 3300, HD 3200, HD 2100)

When are people going to realise that I never make things up?


Read my reply to Lew Zealand above.

You are missing some models. You have the 7970 but not the 7950 and 6950 cards from that era. As much as we may think that AMD has fudged the model numbers I do not agree. Going on performance alone it would look something like this

Top: 7900XTX, 6900XT, Vega 7, Vega 64, R9 295X, 380X, 290X
Enth: 7900XT, 6800XT, Vega 56, R9 270x, 7950,6950
Gaming: 6700XT, 6600XT,6600M,5700XT, 5600XT, RX 580, RX 480,
Budget: 6500XT, 6400XT, RX 470, 370.

There is nothing that compares a 7900XT to a 6800XT and since the 7800XT is faster than the 6800XT it actually fits, The 7900XT is obviously the odd one out but it is still one of the 5 fastest GPUs in the world right now period.

Gosh, just watched Gamers Nexus's review. The 7800 XT is getting creamed by the 6800 XT in his benchmarks.

The only thing the 7800 XT has going for it is in some games better 1% lows. And better power efficiency. But the 6800 XT has a better UV range, so you can bring it kinda down to the same level.

Did you read any of the TPU reviews? After the debacle that has happened do you still put penchant into these sources?

 

[Avro Arrow]

You are missing some models. You have the 7970 but not the 7950 and 6950 cards from that era. As much as we may think that AMD has fudged the model numbers I do not agree. Going on performance alone it would look something like this

Top: 7900XTX, 6900XT, Vega 7, Vega 64, R9 295X, 380X, 290X
Enth: 7900XT, 6800XT, Vega 56, R9 270x, 7950,6950
Gaming: 6700XT, 6600XT,6600M,5700XT, 5600XT, RX 580, RX 480,
Budget: 6500XT, 6400XT, RX 470, 370.

I was just throwing up numbers that I knew existed to get the point across. I'm at work when I post here and I don't know every video card model off the top of my head (although I do think that I did rather well). Basically

There is nothing that compares a 7900XT to a 6800XT and since the 7800XT is faster than the 6800XT it actually fits, The 7900XT is obviously the odd one out but it is still one of the 5 fastest GPUs in the world right now period.

You want to know what the RX 7800 XT makes me think of? THIS:

Sure, it's quick, sure, it's well-priced and sure, Ford can call it whatever the hell they damn please, but to me, that's not a Mustang!

Did you read any of the TPU reviews? After the debacle that has happened do you still put penchant into these sources?

I don't think that you understand what I'm saying. Am I saying it's a bad product? Of course not! Am I saying that the price is bad? No, in the current market it's the best-value card out there (the 7800 XT, not the 7700 XT). What I'm seeing though is AMD trying to charge more for a level-7 card than they used to by fraudulently calling it a level-8 card. There is no question that this is what happened, absolutely none. The only reason why that card seems so good right now is because (almost) everything else is so bad. Before the RX 7800 XT came out, the only cards worth buying were the RTX 4090 and RX 7900 XTX and their strong sales numbers showed this as they both sold out very quickly. Meanwhile, the RX 7900 XT, RTX 4070 and 4080 were famous for their skills in the sport of dust-gathering and, to the best of my knowledge, have never sold-out anywhere.

So, yeah, it's a good product but our perception of it is a bit warped by what we've had to deal with as of late. The bar has never been set so low.

 

[kapone32]

I was just throwing up numbers that I knew existed to get the point across. I'm at work when I post here and I don't know every video card model off the top of my head (although I do think that I did rather well). Basically

You want to know what the RX 7800 XT makes me think of? THIS:

Sure, it's quick, sure, it's well-priced and sure, Ford can call it whatever the hell they damn please, but to me, that's not a Mustang!

I don't think that you understand what I'm saying. Am I saying it's a bad product? Of course not! Am I saying that the price is bad? No, in the current market it's the best-value card out there (the 7800 XT, not the 7700 XT). What I'm seeing though is AMD trying to charge more for a level-7 card than they used to by fraudulently calling it a level-8 card. There is no question that this is what happened, absolutely none. The only reason why that card seems so good right now is because (almost) everything else is so bad. Before the RX 7800 XT came out, the only cards worth buying were the RTX 4090 and RX 7900 XTX and their strong sales numbers showed this as they both sold out very quickly. Meanwhile, the RX 7900 XT, RTX 4070 and 4080 were famous for their skills in the sport of dust-gathering and, to the best of my knowledge, have never sold-out anywhere.

So, yeah, it's a good product but our perception of it is a bit warped by what we've had to deal with as of late. The bar has never been set so low.

Well just to be clear I had a 7900XTX and returned it. Then I saw the 7900XT for $400 less. So I got that and can say with confidence that there is not a $400 difference between the 2 cards. I also play all my Games at 4K and do not miss the 6800XT.

 

[AusWolf]

I was just throwing up numbers that I knew existed to get the point across. I'm at work when I post here and I don't know every video card model off the top of my head (although I do think that I did rather well). Basically

You want to know what the RX 7800 XT makes me think of? THIS:

Sure, it's quick, sure, it's well-priced and sure, Ford can call it whatever the hell they damn please, but to me, that's not a Mustang!

I don't think that you understand what I'm saying. Am I saying it's a bad product? Of course not! Am I saying that the price is bad? No, in the current market it's the best-value card out there (the 7800 XT, not the 7700 XT). What I'm seeing though is AMD trying to charge more for a level-7 card than they used to by fraudulently calling it a level-8 card. There is no question that this is what happened, absolutely none. The only reason why that card seems so good right now is because (almost) everything else is so bad. Before the RX 7800 XT came out, the only cards worth buying were the RTX 4090 and RX 7900 XTX and their strong sales numbers showed this as they both sold out very quickly. Meanwhile, the RX 7900 XT, RTX 4070 and 4080 were famous for their skills in the sport of dust-gathering and, to the best of my knowledge, have never sold-out anywhere.

So, yeah, it's a good product but our perception of it is a bit warped by what we've had to deal with as of late. The bar has never been set so low.

I agree with you about the "Mustang" impostor.

As for the 7800 XT, AMD can call it whatever they want to, for £480, it's a good product considering you can't get a 16 GB 4060 Ti for that price, or a 6800 XT.

 

[ViperXZ]

A week ago, I retired my GTX 950. MSI Gaming X 6650 XT came as a replacement. Video playback power draw at 30W, breaking my fanless idle immersion. Screen tearing when scrolling the websites, non-fixable with V-sync or Radeon Enhanced Sync or Chill. The GPU was to be returned anyway because one of the fans was a bit broken and louder than the other, and the coil whine was audible outside of the room in a closed non-mesh case (could AMD's high voltages contribute to it?). Without regret, I ordered an Asus Dual 4060 on a promo at 295 euros. After swapping and uninstalling AMD drivers, it came out that my shutdown times decreased from 10-15 seconds to 2-3. I was naive to initially blame Windows 11 for this. I then used AMD Cleanup Utility. It supposedly did what it should but the option to generate a report simply doesn't work - very telling of the whole AMD experience.

I'm the kind of person that always cheers for the underdogs. But I'm also not one for beta-testing products and standing insults like encountering the same problems in the drivers that remain not fixed for years and through different GPU generations. I guess that my personal experience resulting in me never considering AMD GPU as a purchase option ever again, makes me just another NVIDIA fanboy.

Yet if the same happens with Nvidia (which it does) it's downplayed and ignored, the GPU is properly RMA'ed and then a normal, not broken one, is used. While with Radeon, it is blamed, even for things MSI did, it's Radeons fault (look at how you write, somehow the broken fan = Radeon, rofl). I don't think your outlier and exception is a rule, and unless you can produce evidence for mass problems with Radeon, which you can't, your post isn't worth much but your personal experience with 1 product, not even Radeon in general, just 1 card. Too bad that millions use Radeon, and if it were so bad, I would very very frequently read bad things, not just a rare few from users who delude themselves. I regularly check user reviews (as in tech shops, the most relevant reviews, even more relevant than reviewers, cause it's not lab conditions, some people take their time to write, like weeks or months, after using it for such a long time, which makes it even more relevant), the vast majority is positive, I don't think that would happen if Radeon were such a huge problem. So sorry, I can just laugh it off. AMD drivers are pretty solid since end of 2020, GCN drivers (RX 400 and earlier) for way longer than that. People who experience problems, often don't do proper installations, or have a chaotic system and then blame Radeon for it.

Yup, Nvidia's whole product stack is turbofucked for this generation. I think AMD is just trying to move the rest of the 6000 series which is why they've priced the 7700 XT this way. I'm thinking we'll see some deep price reductions around the holidays for the 7700 XT when most of the 6000 series has sold out. The 6700 XT can be had for around $330 USD and 6750 XT for $400 USD right now.

And unless they introduce a new card like "7600 XT" to fill the under 400$ gap, it's best for them to keep the 6700 XT/6750XT around as they have nothing else there and it's a good card to boot.

Wrong, For RDNA 3 CU, the 1st 64 stream processors support both w32 and w64, while the 2nd 64 stream processors only support w32.

RDNA 2 CU and RDNA 3 CU have the same texture unit count.

AIDA64's RX 7900 XTX shows half of TFLOPS potential.

RDNA3 Dual issue compute is extremely limited and RX7900 GPUs are unlikely to exceed 36 tflops due to limitations. Making 61tflops RX7900 GPUs typically perform at only 36tflops. This explains the inconsistent compute performance gain of the 7900XTX.

Try again.

Not really, but you can give me a factual source for that, otherwise I'll stick to the facts I have. Your informations are wrong. RDNA 1 changed it to a system that works in Wave32 + 64, and since then RDNA 2 and 3 did it as well. Pretty well known fact as well.

 

[Octavean]

nVidia must be concerned since we are starting to see a few RTX 4070 cards with lower prices in the ~$550 range.

 

[Macro Device]

 

[Taisho]

somehow the broken fan = Radeon, rofl

Read carefully, and you will understand that I never suggested such a thing. The only reason I even mentioned a broken GPU fan was to stress that knowing I would return it, investigating driver issues was more of an academic exercise than a personal matter, thus fully objective.

unless you can produce evidence for mass problems with Radeon, which you can't

Neither can any product review. Yet multiple reviews that claim the same give a perfect picture of the problems.

if it were so bad, I would very very frequently read bad things, not just a rare few from users who delude themselves.

You're going way too far claiming that real problems with the drivers are delusions, probably well into the AMD cheerleader zone. These issues are confirmed not only by multiple complaints on forums, but for example Techpowerup measurements - high video playback power draw in my case. An average user is happy with his 1500+ RPM fans, 140% sRGB color gamut, and AM5 boot time at 30 seconds (the latest Reddit reports claim that ASRock managed to achieve Intel-like boot times on AM5), so I'm not really surprised that many users don't notice or don't care about the issues that I and many other aware users encountered.

People who experience problems, often don't do proper installations, or have a chaotic system and then blame Radeon for it.

Looking at the high video playback power draw, according to your logic, no one can pull off a proper installation for an AMD GPU.

 

[AusWolf]

Read carefully, and you will understand that I never suggested such a thing. The only reason I even mentioned a broken GPU fan was to stress that knowing I would return it, investigating driver issues was more of an academic exercise than a personal matter, thus fully objective.


Neither can any product review. Yet multiple reviews that claim the same give a perfect picture of the problems.


You're going way too far claiming that real problems with the drivers are delusions, probably well into the AMD cheerleader zone. These issues are confirmed not only by multiple complaints on forums, but for example Techpowerup measurements - high video playback power draw in my case. An average user is happy with his 1500+ RPM fans, 140% sRGB color gamut, and AM5 boot time at 30 seconds (the latest Reddit reports claim that ASRock managed to achieve Intel-like boot times on AM5), so I'm not really surprised that many users don't notice or don't care about the issues that I and many other aware users encountered.


Looking at the high video playback power draw, according to your logic, no one can pull off a proper installation for an AMD GPU.

I acknowledge that high video playback power consumption is a problem with RDNA 3. The fans on my card also turn on for a minute or so, then they stop. But on contrary to you, I wouldn't even notice it if I didn't have GPU-Z running all the time. Maybe those broken fans made your experience unbearable.

As for the colour gamut, I don't know what you're on about. Out of the three vendors, it's only with Nvidia cards that I get ugly, washed out colours on my 4K TV no matter what setting I change. Both AMD GPUs and the Intel Xe iGPU work brilliantly - that's why I have the TV connected to the iGPU, while I also have a 1050 Ti in that system for light 3D gaming. And it's not just the 1050 Ti. I tried a 2070 as well with the same results.

 

[EsliteMoby]

The current Radeon AIB GPU pricing is horrible from where I live. 4080 is cheaper than 7900 XTX and 7800 costs the same as 4070. MSRP is even more meaningless coming from the AMD side.

 

[tfdsaf]

The current Radeon AIB GPU pricing is horrible from where I live. 4080 is cheaper than 7900 XTX and 7800 costs the same as 4070. MSRP is even more meaningless coming from the AMD side.

That is just local pricing due to taxes, shipping costs and resellers! I doubt it has anything to do with AMD, probably very little with AIB's as well. Some places its just more expensive to ship to and local taxes and import taxes make the cards much more expensive.

 

[Taisho]

As for the colour gamut, I don't know what you're on about.

It wasn't related to AMD at all, the same as 1500 RPM+ fans. It was my rant about how things like high fan noise and a completely unnatural color palette don't bother an average user. Applying the same measure, this average user is unlikely to be annoyed by the problems that AMD drivers bring.

Out of the three vendors, it's only with Nvidia cards that I get ugly, washed out colours on my 4K TV no matter what setting I change.

It depends on your monitor. To get blacker blacks on the Nvidia GPU I need to go to "Change resolution" tab, select "NVIDIA color settings", and set "Output dynamic range" to "Full". On my previous monitor, the default "Limited" setting was giving me the full 0-255 range, no matter how strange it may sound. Again, such grayish blacks annoyed me intensively, that's why I researched the problem and solved it, thankfully through settings. I bet many users happily sit unaware of their 1:200 contrast ratio and don't see any problem.

 

[AusWolf]

It wasn't related to AMD at all, the same as 1500 RPM+ fans. It was my rant about how things like high fan noise and a completely unnatural color palette don't bother an average user. Applying the same measure, this average user is unlikely to be annoyed by the problems that AMD drivers bring.

Then I don't understand what your rant was about.

It depends on your monitor. To get blacker blacks on the Nvidia GPU I need to go to "Change resolution" tab, select "NVIDIA color settings", and set "Output dynamic range" to "Full". On my previous monitor, the default "Limited" setting was giving me the full 0-255 range, no matter how strange it may sound.

That's the case with my normal monitor. However, with the TV, there is no "Full" option at 4K, only below. AMD cards and the Intel Xe iGPU give me the same colours at 4K as Nvidia would with "Full" DR.

OK, guys. I finally got my code for Starfield from the retailer (it "only" took me 8 days and 2 emails with their customer service).

It is the premium edition you're getting with a 7800 XT. That's 100 bucks (£90) off, not 70! So if you're interested in the game, that makes it a $400 graphics card for you (only this month, though).

 

[Macro Device]

So if you're interested in the game, that makes it a $400 graphics card for you (only this month, though).

And I will buy myself a 6800 XT because it's two times cheaper here. My interest in Starfield is rather too low.

 

[AusWolf]

I think it's 3 arrays with 20 CUs each, so the 7800 XT is actually a maxed out chip. Please excuse the quality of my drawing - these are the best quality images I could find to work with.
View attachment 312942View attachment 312943

Edit: Then, you get the 54 CUs for the 7700 XT by disabling one CU pair per array.

It looks like I was right. There's 3 shader engines in Navi 32, not 4:

(sensor panel in the latest version of HWinfo)

 

[ViperXZ]

Neither can any product review. Yet multiple reviews that claim the same give a perfect picture of the problems.

Too bad that i specifically mentioned user reviews, not "product reviews", which sounds like a official review from a tech site to me. User reviews are frequent and a lot of people take their time to write it, again, thus making them pretty relevant for realistic usage scenarios. Maybe you'll eventually understand this argument

You're going way too far claiming that real problems with the drivers are delusions, probably well into the AMD cheerleader zone.

Real problems that other hardware has as well, you're not saying anything special here, but are pretending indirectly that Nvidia drivers are perfect which they are not (lmao i have 2 concurrent problems right now which i texted to nvidia as well).

Looking at the high video playback power draw, according to your logic, no one can pull off a proper installation for an AMD GPU.

"High", a bit higher than idle isn't high, "high" would be >100W.

Keep cherrypicking the few wannabe problems AMD has to try to make an argument which you already lost.

 

[Orodruin]

There is a point that many people who write comments overlook.
This card is not a refined version of the previous generation 6800XT. RDNA3 is an architecture that does more with less. Moreover, there are AI cores inside the card. When FSR3 becomes widespread, the gap between it and the RX6800XT will widen. Because it will work even more effectively with some features in the FSR3 7000 series.

If you look at the 3D Guru tests, it already beats the 6800XT. It is ahead of the 4070 in many games. RTX performance is at the level of RTX3070TI / RTX3080 and this is not bad at all. Pretty good.

 

[Kogami]

How concerning is the temps/cooling on this reference card?

Currently I'm able to get this one for a lot cheaper than the partner cards, but I've read some comments saying the cooling wasn't good so I'm not sure if I should get it or not.

 

[AnotherReader]

How concerning is the temps/cooling on this reference card?

Currently I'm able to get this one for a lot cheaper than the partner cards, but I've read some comments saying the cooling wasn't good so I'm not sure if I should get it or not.

Luckily, this site's reviews answer that question. Just look for the most recent 7800 XT review and skip to the cooler performance comparison section.

 

[AusWolf]

There is a point that many people who write comments overlook.
This card is not a refined version of the previous generation 6800XT. RDNA3 is an architecture that does more with less. Moreover, there are AI cores inside the card. When FSR3 becomes widespread, the gap between it and the RX6800XT will widen. Because it will work even more effectively with some features in the FSR3 7000 series.

If you look at the 3D Guru tests, it already beats the 6800XT. It is ahead of the 4070 in many games. RTX performance is at the level of RTX3070TI / RTX3080 and this is not bad at all. Pretty good.

The card has a similar price and performance as the 6800 XT with a slightly lower average power consumption. This is what most people look at, rightfully so in my opinion. FSR 3 is just a feature, it won't save or make a generation (especially not in its current state).

 

[ViperXZ]

The card has a similar price and performance as the 6800 XT with a slightly lower average power consumption.

There's no 6800 XT anymore, it's mostly sold out. And if you compare it normally to the 6800 XT it's 550$ (market dependant) vs 650$ msrp. That being said, it's just a bit faster now but due to better shaders it will eventually run away more and more compared to the 6800 XT. That being said, this is still the successor to the 6700 XT and not the 6800 XT. The successor to the 6800 XT is the big chip, logically, which is the 7900 XT, both are big chips that are slightly cut down and the 7900 XT destroys the 6800 XT both in performance and higher pricing.

 

[mosawo]

I find it strange that there are people who are confused by the product name. Product names are arbitrarily named by the manufacturer, and the manufacturer does not fully guarantee the link with product performance. It is true that there may be a relationship for a certain period of time, but it is temporary rather than permanent. If you want to compare the previous generation to the current generation, why not compare them based on their content rather than their names? For example, full specs for Navi22 and full specs for Navi32. Furthermore, when making comparisons, you should use comparison items and numerical values such as performance, msrp, tdp, vram size, other features, etc. I did it myself and concluded that the 7800XT is a good product. I plan to buy it after a while.

<NAVI22 FULL SPEC VS NAVI32 FULL SPEC>
performance_1080p: 1620->2200 (Better 36%)
performance_4k: 236->344 (Better 46%)
msrp: $549->$499 (Better 10%)
tdp：250w->265w (Worse 6%)
vram: 12gb->16gb (Better 50%)
new feature：ai-engine, av1enc, dp2.1

*Values of performance are from 3DCenter.org