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This is the very truth. Universities do not teach trade secrets and intellectual property, but generally available information.
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They saw it coming too but are doing it for other reasons.Except for the US government, everybody saw this coming.
The US doesn't respect IP either. The patent system is horribly abused or so people say.The use of US developed technology
China doesn't respect IP, what they have it's mostly stolen, even their military equipment
TMSC and Samsung do not have a monopoly on foundries. An argument could be made for TMSC because they have 55% of the market share. But Samsung is only 17%. The reason TSMC has risen so much is because TSMC has the most advanced production process in the world that is used by most leading fabless companies (AMD, Apple, ARM, Broadcom, MediaTek, Qualcomm and Nvidia). Intel used to have the best technology, but complacency has cause their production processes to waiver letting TSMC take the lead and increase market share against Intel's competitors.ASML has too much power and monopoly anyways.
Also TMSC which is Taiwanese, and Samsung, which is Korean, hold monopoly and also keep the prices artificially over inflated .
I actually welcome any future Chinese company that would challenge those. Japan is also preparing something too, but knowing them, it will take decades before anything tangible.... Dinosaurs still roam free there.![]()
The US doesn't respect IP either. The patent system is horribly abused or so people say.
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Only racists and xenophobes doubt the capability of China's engineers. Recently, YMTC shipped the densest NAND in the world. However, you are naïve if you believe that there's no possibility of industrial espionage. SMIC has done that in the past with the victim being TSMC.Finally the reality is starting to dawn.
And no, they did not steal everything (that's very convenient argument/excuse, though). Time to understand that 1.4 billion people and economy that large with huge dedicated goverment support WILL have noticable technological advancement on their own.
I simply suggest it's time to think about the inevitable future, with all the good and bad that it entails.
And no, they did not steal everything (that's very convenient argument/excuse, though). Time to understand that 1.4 billion people and economy that large with huge dedicated goverment support WILL have noticable technological advancement on their own.
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The best thing to do is to work with the chinese, not push them out and make them feel seperated. Imagine the technological clout if the US and China worked together. Imo it's time to (try) and end all this mistrust crap. If you where working with someone then there would be no need to steal their data, when it is open to both parties. But i guess that is a pipe dream that will never happen, not in any of our lifetimes anyway.
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I'm interested. The Reuters article doesn't have one letter of evidence of anything with an IP development example. It also assumes that the court is competent in engineering architectures and is able to detect plagiarism, for example by looking at an electron microscope picture of the printed logic in the chips. I am fully confident that the Chinese have given up defending themselves and paid for the settlement just so they don't waste their time with nonsense.Only racists and xenophobes doubt the capability of China's engineers. Recently, YMTC shipped the densest NAND in the world. However, you are naïve if you believe that there's no possibility of industrial espionage. SMIC has done that in the past with the victim being TSMC.
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It's a very simple tradeoff: develop your own using ten times the dollars or acquire the right information for much less. Then there's what ARM China had to face recently. Corporate espionage isn't new and the US also used IP theft during the industrial revolution. I would be very surprised if TSMC or Samsung hadn't been targeted by the Chinese.I'm interested. The Reuters article doesn't have one letter of evidence of anything with an IP development example. It also assumes that the court is competent in engineering architectures and is able to detect plagiarism, for example by looking at an electron microscope picture of the printed logic in the chips. I am fully confident that the Chinese have given up defending themselves and paid for the settlement just so they don't waste their time with nonsense.
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By slowing the PRC's semiconductor advancement, it makes Taiwan even more of potential prey than if it had own developed industry. And it's only slowing down. With or without Taiwan, PRC already has more electronics and chips produced than any country. This is inevitable. Nobody should have "fed the beast" in the first place.But we all know that's not its goal. It only wants to without concern for serious economic consequences.
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Ukraine's vigourous defence against Russia would have caused many in the PRC and PLA to re-evaluate any invasion plans of Taiwan. In any case, the Chinese politicians are longer term thinkers than their Western counterparts, and they can afford to wait until the situation is more favourable. It can also be useful to keep Taiwan independent to whip up nationalist sentiment when needed.Couldn't the US government start global thermonuclear war? So it could stop semiconductor advancement if that was its goal.
But we all know that's not its goal. It only wants to slow the PRC's semiconductor advancement to deter it from invading Taiwan without concern for serious economic consequences.
Ukraine's vigourous defence against Russia would have caused many in the PRC and PLA to re-evaluate any invasion plans of Taiwan. In any case, the Chinese politicians are longer term thinkers than their Western counterparts, and they can afford to wait until the situation is more favourable. It can also be useful to keep Taiwan independent to whip up nationalist sentiment when needed.
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Though they like to think they doWell, I guess that the moral of the story is....
One country doesn't control the world.
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I mean stopping them was never the goal. It's always been a delaying game. Frankly I don't see how denying them technology for free could literally cause their efforts to accelerate, as some here claim. It won't. What it WILL do is make them pour more money to achieve the same result in more time.Except for the US government, everybody saw this coming.
This isn't war, this is about who gets the bigger/lion's share of the pie. The biggest exports out of China, from a single brand, are probably that of Apple so it's not like all that export is enriching just the Chinese!So none of the moneymakers / market participants want war.
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I see the intent, too. All I'm saying is, it's the wrong means. Like you said, it'll only make China pour a ton of money into development, which will have some impact sooner or later. Eventually, they're gonna be independent from Western tech. Who knows what they'll do after.I mean stopping them was never the goal. It's always been a delaying game. Frankly I don't see how denying them technology for free could literally cause their efforts to accelerate, as some here claim. It won't. What it WILL do is make them pour more money to achieve the same result in more time.
Note I really don't agree with this and think the whole thing is silly since the former admin started the trade war in the first place, but I can see very clearly what the intent is here.
Eventually, they're gonna be independent fromWesternTaiwan's tech.