4x sticks of DDR4 all bad at once?

Spork3245 · Nov 30, 2023

You are running everything AUTO... no wonder nothing works, I'll remind you are using ASUS board. Don't do AUTO. Welcome to setting up your first real PC.

There is an example of my BIOS. Pretty set up... and that's how it should be. Now start looking up at the link I gave, it seems ASUS likes RZQ 7/3/1. Look into your full SPD rise the voltages, disable all AUTO ASUS OC bullshit.

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[2023/11/30 21:08:27]
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No, as I said that's the default settings as it was saving my exports in .CMO format but automatically saved that default_setting.txt file. Regardless of if I'm using the default with everything on auto or manually setting timings/speeds the Geil RAM loads, while the Corsair that has worked for 3 years on this motherboard does not, nor does the new Corsair RAM I just received today.

I tried again with saving settings and got it to convert to txt, attached is the profile for the new 3600mhz RAM received today that is also not allowing a boot. I don't believe my settings are the issue at this point, however:

VuurVOS said:
I think you need to try to boot into safe mode with Windows. If that works with Corsair memory then there is still an iCUE service on the background screwing things up.

Press the Windows key + R to open the Run window.

In the text box, type msconfig and press Enter.

At the top of the System Configuration window, click the Boot tab.

Underneath Boot options, make sure that Safe boot is checked. Then click OK and restart your computer.

View attachment 323575

Maybe it is wise to cleanup leftover files of iCUE?

How to perform a clean reinstallation of iCUE

If iCUE runs into performance or behavior issues due to corrupted local files, you can perform a clean re-installation to try and resolve the problem. Before uninstalling, make sure to back up any ...

help.corsair.com

Still did not work unfortunately. None of the Corsair (old or new) will boot to windows, while the Geil seems to work fine. I'm at a complete loss with what could be the issue at this point.

A Computer Guy said:
I found some old notes of mine a few years ago and I wrote...
"With 4.32 kits it seems to be a thing that tRC needs a bump somewhere between +2 to +8 over stock for some reason"

Since then I hear Corsair got much worse with swapping IC's in their models so the version of the kit may not represent the IC used.

Like Ferrum Master suggested let's get those screenshots and info posted here to better understand the situation.

Tried bumping the Trc from 84 to 86, 88, 90, then 92, no luck with any unfortunately.

A Computer Guy · Nov 30, 2023

Spork3245 said:
No, as I said that's the default settings as it was saving my exports in .CMO format but automatically saved that default_setting.txt file. Regardless of if I'm using the default with everything on auto or manually setting timings/speeds the Geil RAM loads, while the Corsair that has worked for 3 years on this motherboard does not, nor does the new Corsair RAM I just received today.

I tried again with saving settings and got it to convert to txt, attached is the profile for the new 3600mhz RAM received today that is also not allowing a boot. I don't believe my settings are the issue at this point, however:

Still did not work unfortunately. None of the Corsair (old or new) will boot to windows, while the Geil seems to work fine. I'm at a complete loss with what could be the issue at this point.

Tried bumping the Trc from 84 to 86, 88, 90, then 92, no luck with any unfortunately.

Can you post screenshots of your new kit with the model number and version?

VuurVOS · Nov 30, 2023

@Spork3245 Do you have an empty or spare drive where you can do a fresh Windows install?

A Computer Guy · Nov 30, 2023

Spork3245 said:
No, as I said that's the default settings as it was saving my exports in .CMO format but automatically saved that default_setting.txt file. Regardless of if I'm using the default with everything on auto or manually setting timings/speeds the Geil RAM loads, while the Corsair that has worked for 3 years on this motherboard does not, nor does the new Corsair RAM I just received today.

I tried again with saving settings and got it to convert to txt, attached is the profile for the new 3600mhz RAM received today that is also not allowing a boot. I don't believe my settings are the issue at this point, however:

Still did not work unfortunately. None of the Corsair (old or new) will boot to windows, while the Geil seems to work fine. I'm at a complete loss with what could be the issue at this point.

Tried bumping the Trc from 84 to 86, 88, 90, then 92, no luck with any unfortunately.

Just FYI here is a comparison of the differences between your settings. Note I had to sort alphabetically to get this comparison to work.
I have to say it's pretty neat Asus allows exporting settings to text file. Makes it easy to compare setup data.

Spork3245 · Nov 30, 2023

A Computer Guy said:
Can you post screenshots of your new kit with the model number and version?

Sure: https://i.postimg.cc/JnF7vhSK/IMG-8398.jpg

It’s giving me the same issues as the previous 3000mhz C15 Corsair RAM, unfortunately. I’m likely to send the new RAM back if I can figure out the issue.

VuurVOS said:
@Spork3245 Do you have an empty or spare drive where you can do a fresh Windows install?

I could blank my smallest SATA SSD (just VR games on it) and attempt it. When this issue happened in August I couldn’t even get the Windows Installer to load (with the Corsair RAM in), however.

A Computer Guy said:
Just FYI here is a comparison of the differences between your settings. Note I had to sort alphabetically to get this comparison to work.
I have to say it's pretty neat Asus allows exporting settings to text file. Makes it easy to compare setup data.

Thank you! Should I attempt similar settings?

thesmokingman · Nov 30, 2023

Spork3245 said:
Oddly enough, I figured it was the motherboard back when this initially started happening a few months ago, I RMA'd the motherboard to ASUS and this is a new X570 Dark Hero from them.

Did you mark your old board and document it before sending it out? It's not unheard of for them to send your old board back or another refurb. Point is rma doesn't necessarily exclude the board from still being an issue. I had to go out and buy a retail board to diagnose the original one. Trusting RMA for this has always ended badly for me.

Ferrum Master · Nov 30, 2023

A Computer Guy said:
pretty neat Asus allows exporting settings to text file

Don't get them IDEAS

.

Looking at those, I wonder at what moment TPM kicked in enabled for my system, I remember setting it off... well I know it can be enabled from OS side by setting boot flag actually, I see it using ASUS service tools at work... Well damn... shady... at least Armory crap crate is left disabled for good.

Spork3245 said:
I RMA'd the motherboard to ASUS and this is a new X570 Dark Hero from them.

Just to let you know... ASUS doesn't do new motherboards for RMA replacements... don't even dream about it, those all are refurbs...

Spork3245 · Nov 30, 2023

thesmokingman said:
Did you mark your old board and document it before sending it out? It's not unheard of for them to send your old board back or another refurb. Point is rma doesn't necessarily exclude the board from still being an issue. I had to go out and buy a retail board to diagnose the original one. Trusting RMA for this has always ended badly for me.

I did the “expedited RMA” where they sent me the replacement board before I sent them the one I had (they do a hold on a CC for the value of the mobo, and release it once you send your board back)

Ferrum Master said:
Just to let you know... ASUS doesn't do new motherboards for RMA replacements... don't even dream about it, those all are refurbs...

Yes, sorry, meant “new to me” not “brand new”. I knew immediately that the replacement was a refurb because of how nasty the m.2 thermal pads and heatsinks were on the replacement they sent (I swapped them for the clean ones from the board I was sending back

).

A Computer Guy · Nov 30, 2023

Spork3245 said:
Sure: https://i.postimg.cc/JnF7vhSK/IMG-8398.jpg

Thank you! Should I attempt similar settings?

I'm not familiar with Asus UEFI settings so generally yes - but definitely not everything. You should make a short list of what you think needs to be changed and to what and get some feedback.

Ferrum Master · Nov 30, 2023

Spork3245 said:
Yes, sorry, meant “new to me” not “brand new”. I knew immediately that the replacement was a refurb because of how nasty the m.2 thermal pads and heatsinks were on the replacement they sent (I swapped them for the clean ones from the board I was sending back ).

Well... you have to keep in mind that many boards got to the refurb place and end up with no trouble found and are sent back for replacements... despite it had some problems... Then you have a lottery on how butchered was the board... I kinda don't want a board with replaced CPU socket... but it is possible. So think twice before turning your existing board to RMA. You might end up with even worse one.

So are you getting somewhere with the settings? Start at 3200MHz, up the voltages, especially VSOC, to like 1.2V, leave VRAM 1.35V, then up primaries to something weird like 20 20 20 40, tFAW to 30, tRFC 600. And then test your ProcODT and RTT values until you boot normally. RTT 7 3 1 is very common, also Disabled, OFF and RZQ/5.

A Computer Guy · Nov 30, 2023

I hate to complicate the process but if you are testing different ProcODT & RTT values I would do some quick partial passes (like perhaps 20% of each test) with passmark Memtest86 (free version is ok).
You might find by this method, which setting provides the most stability (the least amount of errors) for the RAM and save yourself some chances of corrupted OS until you get into deeper stability testing.
During the time when I was OC'ing Corsair RAM I found this helpful.

Spork3245 · Nov 30, 2023

Ferrum Master said:
So are you getting somewhere with the settings? Start at 3200MHz, up the voltages, especially VSOC, to like 1.2V, leave VRAM 1.35V, then up primaries to something weird like 20 20 20 40, tFAW to 30, tRFC 600. And then test your ProcODT and RTT values until you boot normally. RTT 7 3 1 is very common, also Disabled, OFF and RZQ/5.

Unfortunately no setting changes seem to work when the Corsair RAM is installed, whether it’s the old RAM or the RAM I purchased and received today, Windows just won’t load. I’ve even tried dropping the speed down to 1833mhz and Windows still will not boot with any of the Corsair RAM installed. With the Geil it boots up no problem, whether running at default with everything at Auto or setting the latency and speed to spec.
To reiterate, the 3000mhz Corsair RAM was working fine yesterday (and for roughly 3 years) in this system with the same settings that I’ve attempted running. It not allowing Windows to boot is new and happened after a reboot.
This is honestly the oddest issue I’ve experienced in my 23+ years of building custom PCs

A Computer Guy said:
I hate to complicate the process but if you are testing different ProcODT & RTT values I would do some quick partial passes (like perhaps 20% of each test) with passmark Memtest86 (free version is ok).
You might find by this method, which setting provides the most stability (the least amount of errors) for the RAM and save yourself some chances of corrupted OS until you get into deeper stability testing.
During the time when I was OC'ing Corsair RAM I found this helpful.

I unfortunately can’t even get into Windows with the Corsair RAM installed. The system only seems to boot with my super old Geil RAM installed.

Ferrum Master · Nov 30, 2023

Spork3245 said:
Unfortunately no setting changes seem to work when the Corsair RAM is installed, whether it’s the old RAM or the RAM I purchased and received today, Windows just won’t load. I’ve even tried dropping the speed down to 1833mhz and Windows still will not boot with any of the Corsair RAM installed. With the Geil it boots up no problem, whether running at default with everything at Auto or setting the latency and speed to spec.
To reiterate, the 3000mhz Corsair RAM was working fine yesterday (and for roughly 3 years) in this system with the same settings that I’ve attempted running. It not allowing Windows to boot is new and happened after a reboot.
This is honestly the oddest issue I’ve experienced in my 23+ years of building custom PCs

Does the rank amount match? Btw... Aren't GEIL single rank and those corsairs both are Dual Ranks?

A Computer Guy · Nov 30, 2023

Spork3245 said:
Unfortunately no setting changes seem to work when the Corsair RAM is installed, whether it’s the old RAM or the RAM I purchased and received today, Windows just won’t load. I’ve even tried dropping the speed down to 1833mhz and Windows still will not boot with any of the Corsair RAM installed. With the Geil it boots up no problem, whether running at default with everything at Auto or setting the latency and speed to spec.
To reiterate, the 3000mhz Corsair RAM was working fine yesterday (and for roughly 3 years) in this system with the same settings that I’ve attempted running. It not allowing Windows to boot is new and happened after a reboot.
This is honestly the oddest issue I’ve experienced in my 23+ years of building custom PCs

I unfortunately can’t even get into Windows with the Corsair RAM installed. The system only seems to boot with my super old Geil RAM installed.

Passmark Memtest86 boots to its own OS from USB. What about a Linux USB stick, will that boot with either of the problematic corsair ram?

Spork3245 · Nov 30, 2023

VuurVOS said:
@Spork3245 Do you have an empty or spare drive where you can do a fresh Windows install?

Finished making the bootable USB for the Windows install, however, I reinstalled 2 sticks of the Corsair RAM to do the install as I wanted to check to see if the installer would even load, and… nope. The USB boot Windows installer won’t even load with the Corsair RAM in, same thing: 3 spinning dots that are either infinitely spinning or lock up.

VuurVOS · Nov 30, 2023

@Spork3245 Can you put the Corsair memory in the old X99 system which you pulled from storage?
Then you can confirm if the memory is indeed bad and still unable to boot into Windows of the X99 system.

Ferrum Master · Nov 30, 2023

I seems the new ones are Hynix CMRs single rank. Now Put those values in manual use speed for 3200, but timings for 4000 to be safe. But enable GDM. (gear down mode)

Spork3245 · Nov 30, 2023

Ferrum Master said:
Does the rank amount match? Btw... Aren't GEIL single rank and those corsairs both are Dual Ranks?

Went to take a picture of the RAM and realized it’s not Geil, it’s G.Skill Ripjaw Series lmao. No idea why I kept thinking it was Geil. But, yea, it’s over 8 years old, no clue if it’s single or dual rank honestly, but here’s a pic of the sticker:

https://i.postimg.cc/DyzTWk2F/IMG-8399.jpg

A Computer Guy said:
Passmark Memtest86 boots to its own OS from USB. What about a Linux USB stick, will that boot with either of the problematic corsair ram?

Ah, I was going to try memtest bootable next regardless. Is there a free version of Linux I could try booting off a USB?

VuurVOS said:
@Spork3245 Can you put the Corsair memory in the old X99 system which you pulled from storage?
Then you can confirm if the memory is indeed bad and still unable to boot into Windows of the X99 system.

It’s just an old motherboard in a box unfortunately. I might be able to try the RAM in my Dad’s system, I could bring it to his place tomorrow (he has an Intel system I built for him). Though, the new RAM is giving me the same issue so I’m thinking this issue isn’t related to the RAM, but I’ll try it regardless.

A Computer Guy · Nov 30, 2023

Spork3245 said:
Ah, I was going to try memtest bootable next regardless. Is there a free version of Linux I could try booting off a USB?

I can't imagine any linux distro not having a usb boot image but you can try any flavor of Linux Mint. The reason for my question is to try and understand if perhaps just your installed OS got hosed. You should remove all your other storage devices from the motherboard while troubleshooting with the USB or that spare storage device you considered using for a fresh install.

Ferrum Master · Nov 30, 2023

Spork3245 said:
Went to take a picture of the RAM and realized it’s not Geil, it’s G.Skill Ripjaw Series lmao. No idea why I kept thinking it was Geil. But, yea, it’s over 8 years old, no clue if it’s single or dual rank honestly, but here’s a pic of the sticker:

https://i.postimg.cc/DyzTWk2F/IMG-8399.jpg

Those Ripjaws have Samsung ICs, D die. It has miles better tRFC number than any newer RAM. By Default about 360. Not sure that's the clue.

Spork3245 · Nov 30, 2023

A Computer Guy said:
I can't imagine any linux distro not having a usb boot image but you can try any flavor of Linux Mint. The reason for my question is to try and understand if perhaps just your installed OS got hosed. You should remove all your other storage devices from the motherboard while troubleshooting with the USB or that spare storage device you considered using for a fresh install.

I’ll take a look: I’ve never used Linux so I’m unfamiliar. The Windows installer wouldn’t boot at all from USB. When this first occurred back in August I tried a bootable USB Windows installer with the m.2 that has Windows installed removed from my system and it still wouldn’t work, though.

MemTest was able to boot with the Corsair RAM installed, test is 16 minutes in and no errors so far.

Ferrum Master said:
Those Ripjaws have Samsung ICs, D die. It has miles better tRFC number than any newer RAM. By Default about 360. Not sure that's the clue.

Sure, but why is the new Corsair RAM not allowing Windows to boot and why did all 4 of my old Corsair modules suddenly stop allowing Windows to boot after working fine for multiple years? This is what’s driving me mad lol

A Computer Guy · Nov 30, 2023

Spork3245 said:
I’ll take a look: I’ve never used Linux so I’m unfamiliar. The Windows installer wouldn’t boot at all from USB. When this first occurred back in August I tried a bootable USB Windows installer with the m.2 that has Windows installed removed from my system and it still wouldn’t work, though.

MemTest was able to boot with the Corsair RAM installed, test is 16 minutes in and no errors so far.

Ok that's interesting.

Pay attention to the USB port you are using and use the same port for all your other USB based testing. Some ports come from the CPU and some from the chipset. Do you know which one you are using? At least the first M.2 comes from the CPU and the others from the chipset. Do you know which M.2 lanes the original boot drive was connected to?

Panther_Seraphin · Nov 30, 2023

IF this was me I would be seeing what the GEIL ram is setting as default timings vs the Corsair stuff and see if anything is being majorly set different. That way you can see if Auto is doing something stupid and setting something either stupid low or stupid high. Yes each kit is going to have differeing timings based upon ICs etc but your looking for something stupid.

16 Mins in a RAM test isnt much at all. You want at least a couple of hours of clean test once you are experiencing issues.

A Computer Guy · Dec 1, 2023

A Computer Guy said:
Ok that's interesting.

Pay attention to the USB port you are using and use the same port for all your other USB based testing. Some ports come from the CPU and some from the chipset. Do you know which one you are using? At least the first M.2 comes from the CPU and the others from the chipset. Do you know which M.2 lanes the original boot drive was connected to?

Some additional thoughts...

In UEFI I think you should configure

Download & Install ARMOURY CRATE app [Disabled]
Fast Boot [Disabled]
PBO Fmax Enhancer [Disabled]
Precision Boost Overdrive [Disabled]

I don't know what these things do below but I would explore if there is a Normal/Disable option. Generally I agree with Ferrum Master in turning off all the auto overclocking bs and this to me looks like something to try to disable or set to something that is not Extreme.

DRAM Power Phase Control [Extreme] <<< Normal?
DRAM R1 Tune [Auto]
DRAM R2 Tune [Auto]
DRAM R3 Tune [Auto]
DRAM R4 Tune [Auto]

... back to your memory testing....

Assuming you get past at least 1 pass of each test in memtest86 I think that's good enough to proceed to a test boot of the linux stick using the same usb port.

if that works then see if the windows usb will boot up into installation mode.
if that works then popin the test M.2 into the primary slot and try the windows install again.
- if that works then proceed with windows install (no need to register) and install chipset drivers and test system.
if that fails change the test M.2 into a different M.2 slot and try again.
- if that works then proceed with windows install (no need to register) and install chipset drivers and test system.
if that fails change the test M.2 into a different M.2 slot and try again if you have a 3rd one (sorry I was too lazy to look).
- if that works then proceed with windows install (no need to register) and install chipset drivers and test system.
if that fails use a sata storage device to test the installation.
- if that works then proceed with windows install (no need to register) and install chipset drivers and test system.

By doing this in my mind we trying to determine if M.2 storage may be a factor contributing to your issues and isolating CPU vs. Motherboard connectivity assuming your M.2 drive isn't a problem.

Panther_Seraphin said:
IF this was me I would be seeing what the GEIL ram is setting as default timings vs the Corsair stuff and see if anything is being majorly set different. That way you can see if Auto is doing something stupid and setting something either stupid low or stupid high. Yes each kit is going to have differeing timings based upon ICs etc but your looking for something stupid.

I think this is a good idea. Especially to borrow ProcODT and RTT settings that were able to successfully boot perhaps even voltages. A ZenTimings screenshot of a successful boot would be nice to see.

RJARRRPCGP · Dec 1, 2023

Spork3245 said:
Various fans, AIO, multiple HDD + SSD + 2x m.2 drives.

A few months ago (early August) I started having an issue where after rebooting my PC Windows wouldn’t load, it would just hang at the spinning dots prior to Windows actually loading and do the same thing with the “repair” start up after a failed boot. The dots would either spin infinitely (I once left it on overnight to see if it would eventually boot: woke up to it still spinning) or the dots would freeze after a few seconds.
I tried reinstalling Windows, however the same issue would occur when booting the Windows installer from USB. I also tried (in no particular order)… disconnecting all HDD/SSD + removing non-boot m.2s as well as changing the port used for my boot m.2, disconnecting all USB devices except my keyboard (also trying a different USB for the keyboard), taking out all 4 RAM sticks and trying them 1 at a time, resetting CMOS, removing the motherboards battery to reset CMOS, and probably 5 other things I don’t remember. There were no Q Code errors.
I had the idea to flash the BIOS and lo-and-behold the system booted! After a few reboots the problem reoccurred but reflashing the BIOS (to the same version already installed) would fix the issue and I’d be able to get into Windows each time (simply resetting CMOS would not work, only a BIOS flash would). Windows would be completely stable once in, gaming and everything else was also fine. All voltages good, temperatures great, etc.

I thought “must be a motherboard issue” so I checked my mobo warranty to see if it is still covered, called ASUS, got an RMA. Installed the new mobo, problem seemed to have mostly gone away: could reboot the system without needing to flash the BIOS each time, once in a while Windows would lock on boot like before but after a manual restart it would load fine

The drive and PSU are suspect components. With the drive being the most suspect.

System Name	Still not a thread ripper but pretty good.
Processor	Ryzen 9 7950x, Thermal Grizzly AM5 Offset Mounting Kit, Thermal Grizzly Extreme Paste
Motherboard	ASRock B650 LiveMixer (BIOS/UEFI version P3.08, AGESA 1.2.0.2)
Cooling	EK-Quantum Velocity, EK-Quantum Reflection PC-O11, D5 PWM, EK-CoolStream PE 360, XSPC TX360
Memory	Micron DDR5-5600 ECC Unbuffered Memory (2 sticks, 64GB, MTC20C2085S1EC56BD1) + JONSBO NF-1
Video Card(s)	XFX Radeon RX 5700 & EK-Quantum Vector Radeon RX 5700 +XT & Backplate
Storage	Samsung 4TB 980 PRO, 2 x Optane 905p 1.5TB (striped), AMD Radeon RAMDisk
Display(s)	2 x 4K LG 27UL600-W (and HUANUO Dual Monitor Mount)
Case	Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic Black (original model)
Audio Device(s)	Corsair Commander Pro for Fans, RGB, & Temp Sensors (x4)
Power Supply	Corsair RM750x
Mouse	Logitech M575
Keyboard	Corsair Strafe RGB MK.2
Software	Windows 10 Professional (64bit)
Benchmark Scores	RIP Ryzen 9 5950x, ASRock X570 Taichi (v1.06), 128GB Micron DDR4-3200 ECC UDIMM (18ASF4G72AZ-3G2F1)

System Name	Ryzen5900X
Processor	AMD Ryzen 5900X
Motherboard	Gigabyte B550 AORUS PRO AC
Cooling	NZXT Kraken X62
Memory	4x G.Skill F4-3600C17D-8GTZ
Video Card(s)	AMD Radeon RX 6800XT Midnight Black

System Name	Still not a thread ripper but pretty good.
Processor	Ryzen 9 7950x, Thermal Grizzly AM5 Offset Mounting Kit, Thermal Grizzly Extreme Paste
Motherboard	ASRock B650 LiveMixer (BIOS/UEFI version P3.08, AGESA 1.2.0.2)
Cooling	EK-Quantum Velocity, EK-Quantum Reflection PC-O11, D5 PWM, EK-CoolStream PE 360, XSPC TX360
Memory	Micron DDR5-5600 ECC Unbuffered Memory (2 sticks, 64GB, MTC20C2085S1EC56BD1) + JONSBO NF-1
Video Card(s)	XFX Radeon RX 5700 & EK-Quantum Vector Radeon RX 5700 +XT & Backplate
Storage	Samsung 4TB 980 PRO, 2 x Optane 905p 1.5TB (striped), AMD Radeon RAMDisk
Display(s)	2 x 4K LG 27UL600-W (and HUANUO Dual Monitor Mount)
Case	Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic Black (original model)
Audio Device(s)	Corsair Commander Pro for Fans, RGB, & Temp Sensors (x4)
Power Supply	Corsair RM750x
Mouse	Logitech M575
Keyboard	Corsair Strafe RGB MK.2
Software	Windows 10 Professional (64bit)
Benchmark Scores	RIP Ryzen 9 5950x, ASRock X570 Taichi (v1.06), 128GB Micron DDR4-3200 ECC UDIMM (18ASF4G72AZ-3G2F1)

Processor	AMD 5900x
Motherboard	Asus x570 Strix-E
Cooling	Hardware Labs
Memory	G.Skill 4000c17 2x16gb
Video Card(s)	RTX 3090
Storage	Sabrent
Display(s)	Samsung G9
Case	Phanteks 719
Audio Device(s)	Fiio K5 Pro
Power Supply	EVGA 1000 P2
Mouse	Logitech G600
Keyboard	Corsair K95

System Name	HELLSTAR
Processor	AMD RYZEN 9 5950X
Motherboard	ASUS Strix X570-E
Cooling	2x 360 + 280 rads. 3x Gentle Typhoons, 3x Phanteks T30, 2x TT T140 . EK-Quantum Momentum Monoblock.
Memory	4x8GB G.SKILL Trident Z RGB F4-4133C19D-16GTZR 14-16-12-30-44
Video Card(s)	Sapphire Pulse RX 7900XTX. Water block. Crossflashed.
Storage	Optane 900P[Fedora] + WD BLACK SN850X 4TB + 750 EVO 500GB + 1TB 980PRO+SN560 1TB(W11)
Display(s)	Philips PHL BDM3270 + Acer XV242Y
Case	Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO
Audio Device(s)	SMSL RAW-MDA1 DAC
Power Supply	Fractal Design Newton R3 1000W
Mouse	Razer Basilisk
Keyboard	Razer BlackWidow V3 - Yellow Switch
Software	FEDORA 41

Processor	AMD 7600x
Motherboard	Asrock x670e Steel Legend
Cooling	Silver Arrow Extreme IBe Rev B with 2x 120 Gentle Typhoons
Memory	4x16Gb Patriot Viper Non RGB @ 6000 30-36-36-36-40
Video Card(s)	XFX 6950XT MERC 319
Storage	2x Crucial P5 Plus 1Tb NVME
Display(s)	3x Dell Ultrasharp U2414h
Case	Coolermaster Stacker 832
Power Supply	Thermaltake Toughpower PF3 850 watt
Mouse	Logitech G502 (OG)
Keyboard	Logitech G512

System Name	KHR-1
Processor	Ryzen 9 5900X
Motherboard	ASRock B550 PG Velocita (UEFI-BIOS P3.40)
Memory	32 GB G.Skill RipJawsV F4-3200C16D-32GVR
Video Card(s)	Sapphire Nitro+ Radeon RX 6750 XT
Storage	Western Digital Black SN850 1 TB NVMe SSD
Display(s)	Alienware AW3423DWF OLED-ASRock PG27Q15R2A (backup)
Case	Corsair 275R
Audio Device(s)	Technics SA-EX140 receiver with Polk VT60 speakers
Power Supply	eVGA Supernova G3 750W
Mouse	Logitech G Pro (Hero)
Software	Windows 11 Pro x64 23H2

4x sticks of DDR4 all bad at once?

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