NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Super Founders Edition

[BoggledBeagle]

I envisioned the connector with cartoon legs, slightly charred contacts and guilty smile on its face climbing out of the ruins.

 

[KrazedOmega]

Too old and the new Forza is a huge flop with terrible image quality. F1 2023 is included, not sure if any other recent racing game is a success?

It's only a little over two years old. There are five other games on the test list that are older than it.

Eh, whatever. It's not a big deal.

Looking forward to your 4070 Ti Super review.

 

[R0H1T]

I envisioned the connector with cartoon legs, slightly charred contacts and guilty smile on its face climbing out of the ruins.

 

[Avro Arrow]

Aaand right on cue here are the "12GB isn't enough" crowd. It is, for the simple reason that consoles don't even have 12GB.

There's no question that 12GB is enough, it's just that the way things are going, it might not be enough for long and when you're spending ~$800, that's not something you should have to worry about. It also looks pretty bad when relatively inexpensive cards like the RTX 3060 and RX 6700 XT both have 12GB for around >=$500 less.

 

[theouto]

I think it's telling on the game developers side how we think that 12GB may not last enough. During the release of Ampere and RDNA2 we were fine with 8, even if it was just a bit annoying, while 8GB now is almost a death sentence.

 

[sLowEnd]

impossible, the yields of good dies on a wafer weren't that good at the time. and now this is pointless because of this meagre improvement only 15%.

15% is not meagre improvement for a refresh. Are you expecting a generational improvement from a refresh?

 

[N/A]

Yes. Luckily Aorus master showed up with unlimited power limit out the box and fixed it. 22% now.

 

[80-watt Hamster]

Inflation, inflation, blah blah,

People's salaries hardly ever increase to compensate for this scam. Inflation's design is to make people even poorer over time and make the rich, even richer. The result is a wage slave, you have enough to eat and live paycheck to paycheck, but little for anything else, unless you risk your sleep hours to compensate, most people even have more than one job and still struggle.

The class divide is a real problem, but inflation's a relatively minor contributor. Thing is, it's extremely tricky (some claim impossible) to have a functioning currency system without inflation. It's important that the currency circulate, and if said currency is not inflationary, people will hoard it and it stops being useful as currency.

 

[Legacy-ZA]

The class divide is a real problem, but inflation's a relatively minor contributor. Thing is, it's extremely tricky (some claim impossible) to have a functioning currency system without inflation. It's important that the currency circulate, and if said currency is not inflationary, people will hoard it and it stops being useful as currency.

The problem is; that most people just like to blame "Inflation" for rising/higher pricing when they don't even know what it truly is or how it works. If you really, I mean really sit down and think about how it works, you will realize too, that it is a scam, and it does exactly what I said it does, it will make people poorer over time, but for those that are already rich.

Ask yourself, how many times has "inflation" played a role in prices going down for a change, still looking? Yeah... at least it stays true to its name eh, no deflation?

No, it's a scam, and it will always be a scam, no one will ever change my mind on this. It does exactly what it was meant to do, make the middle class poorer over time and move the already poverty struck closer to death's door if they can't find work, this "work" can then be attributed to nothing but slave labor, as this person is so damn desperate to live, that he will give all the free time he has but will never be able to lift himself out of that poverty. Unfortunately, businesses today care about the profit margin, not the individual, and as such, will not care if those in their employ have to live a hard life or have to offer a fair deal to them, these individuals are so easy to replace after all.

Anyways, I was ranting again, damn.

 

[MarsM4N]

Oh I definitely agree that AMD needs to step up in their offerings ...

They already did. 7900XT down to $709 / 769€. Let the price wars begin!

The class divide is a real problem, but inflation's a relatively minor contributor. Thing is, it's extremely tricky (some claim impossible) to have a functioning currency system without inflation. It's important that the currency circulate, and if said currency is not inflationary, people will hoard it and it stops being useful as currency.

That's what they wanna make you believe. Just look back to the 50's-70's, the economies where booming. The house man could provide for the whole family, buy a house & cars, go to regular family holiday trips, and all that on a single income. Nowadays you can barely make ends meet for yourself with one job. Which is btw. the main reason the birth rates are going downhill in the Western countries, people just don't have money & time for kids, breeding has become a "luxury".

States are so in debt that a huge piece of the taxes go straight to the banksters to pay off the interests for said borrowed money, which was created out of thin air (FIAT money). Our financial system leads to complete financial slavery, and it was designed like that for this exact purpose. Soon there will only be 2 classes, the owners & the nothing owners.

 

[Bwaze]

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER GPU Benchmarks Leak: Up To 10% Faster Vs 4070 Ti, Almost Matches RTX 4080

If that is true, and $1000 RTX 4080 Super barely outmatches base RTX 4080 (very few spec increases, Nvidia themselves labeled this more of a price improvement, $200 off), won't the RTX 4070 Ti Super and RTX 4080 Super fall very close together, despite $200 price difference?

"NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER scored a very respectable 229,043 points in the OpenCL benchmark which put it 10% ahead of the RTX 4070 Ti Non-SUPER and just 6% slower than the RTX 4080 Non-SUPER. Factory overclocked models should shave off another 1-2% and bring the performance within 96% reach of the RTX 4080 Non-SUPER."

 

[N/A]

Of course it falls very close since they can't pull a GTX 970 with fast 14GB and slow 2GB anymore and drop another 100, so you get what you pay for. It's the 400mm2 die 20% cuda disabled. And the fully enabled die costs more since it's rare.

 

[roki4]

No mw3 in this test makes no justice to AMD. Its not like nobody is playing that game..

 

[wheresmycar]

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER GPU Benchmarks Leak: Up To 10% Faster Vs 4070 Ti, Almost Matches RTX 4080

If that is true, and $1000 RTX 4080 Super barely outmatches base RTX 4080 (very few spec increases, Nvidia themselves labeled this more of a price improvement, $200 off), won't the RTX 4070 Ti Super and RTX 4080 Super fall very close together, despite $200 price difference?

"NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER scored a very respectable 229,043 points in the OpenCL benchmark which put it 10% ahead of the RTX 4070 Ti Non-SUPER and just 6% slower than the RTX 4080 Non-SUPER. Factory overclocked models should shave off another 1-2% and bring the performance within 96% reach of the RTX 4080 Non-SUPER."

The gap between the 4080 and 4090 is huge. I was hoping for a more meaningful performance uplift with the 4080 SUPER, perhaps a 30%-40% trim of that gaping hole - or in the least 15%-20%. Not sure what the AD103 performance ceiling is, but who knows maybe there are other bolts and nuts needing some tightening to get up there (perhaps 64MB cache is the answer, faster VRAM, driver optimisations, etc). Where it does seem hopeless, can't see Nvidia obliging with a $200 drop in price.

Who knows one of these days we might see a AD102 4080-TI-SUPER or a 4090-lite/slim/trim/gone-to-the-gym

 

[xorbe]

The included power pigtail, is it still 2x8-pins? The original 4070 review mentions this, but this detail is omitted from the 4070 Super review.

 

[Denver]

No mw3 in this test makes no justice to AMD. Its not like nobody is playing that game..

Being one of the most played games today, the idea sounds good, but is it possible to make a consistent Benchmark?

 

[W1zzard]

Being one of the most played games today, the idea sounds good, but is it possible to make a consistent Benchmark?

It's always-online, so the answer is "no", also it will patch at random times, which forces me to retest 30 cards before being able to publish a review, and Blizzard's DRM really doesn't like seeing so many hardware changes.. a few years ago they banned one of my accounts and ignored all tickets

 

[xorbe]

The included power pigtail, is it still 2x8-pins? The original 4070 review mentions this, but this detail is omitted from the 4070 Super review.

For reference, it is exactly the same. (Unable to edit answer into original post with question.)