Windows 12 Might be a Windows 11 24H2 Update, Still Carries AI-Centric Features

[AusWolf]

commonly snapped apps

What does that mean?

 

[dyonoctis]

Is there any version of Windows 11 out there that has the lowest possible bloatware and useless services, even if is a custom build version?
Seriously, I want the litest possible version if possible.

Maybe windows server 2022 ? Right now I'm pretty sure that waiting for the comeback of a win 2000/XP like OS in 2024 that isn't Linux is vain.

 

[AusWolf]

Maybe windows server 2022 ? Right now I'm pretty sure that waiting for the comeback of a win 2000/XP like OS in 2024 that isn't Linux is vain.

Is it good for gaming?

 

[Macro Device]

looks like those guys at redmond cant tell apart enhance from diminish

This has always been like that. Remember that XIX century massacre in the States when, quote, "Hand your weapons to us for your own safety and prosperity," unquote happened? Zactly the same spirit.

I'm probably gonna install W10 on my main PC once again

I basically did it.

 

[L'Eliminateur]

This stupid fucking bullshit right here is why I'm a Win11 refusenik. I don't want "AI", I don't need "AI", I just need to run my games and Visual Studio. Microsoft is going to have to pry Windows 10 from my cold dead hands.

Finally someone with sense, i feel like mugatu taking crazy pills when i say this.

I plan on using win10 until it can no longer run the software/games I use, and if win 7 timeline is to be taken as reference, ti's going to be at least 5+ years past the official MS "end of support" (win 7 was only recently removed from steam as supported), i don't give a shit about MS end of support of 2024/25.

And since the AI stupidity is infecting everything, i don't have any hopes for future windows versions to be focused on performance and spartan-ness.

¿why doesn't microsoft focus on why the fuck windows is so much fucking slower than linux at almost everything?, instead of bloating it with shit AI crap.

When Windows 11 came out is actually a improvement over Win 10 and now Win 12?

LOL WHAT, are you serious mate?, win 11 is utter trash, it's slower than win10, bloated even more and [maybe subjective] the UI is shit, totally unnecessary redesign.

¿have you tried running win 11 in a HDD?, because i have it running on some of the computers at work that is completely "certified" to run 11(yes, there are TONS of computers in corporate world that don't have SSD as they're "older" but perfectly functioning fast cpu computers) and the amount of unnecessary filesystem IO it has is staggering it takes forever to boot and to do anything.

 

[ThrashZone]

General improvements include a new "Install drivers" button during the Wi-Fi setup page, the removal of several built-in Windows apps from the OS image,

Hi,
Wifi setup okay this is the end of limited setup and local account creation because I've never seen another wifi setup page besides the installers setup MS account crapola page lol

Removal of several of built in apps lol who do they think they're kidding this seems more like a carrot on a stick offering
Guessing AI won't be one to remove

Is there any version of Windows 11 out there that has the lowest possible bloatware and useless services, even if is a custom build version?
Seriously, I want the litest possible version if possible.

Just use the hidden admin user account
No ms apps will run on it.

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[Eternit]

¿why doesn't microsoft focus on why the fuck windows is so much fucking slower than linux at almost everything?, instead of bloating it with shit AI crap.

Because they expect to make more money from AI then they do from selling Windows licenses.
On this forum are professionals, but average laptop users accepted Windows 11.

Hi,
Wifi setup okay this is the end of limited setup and local account creation because I've never seen another wifi setup page besides the installers setup MS account crapola page lol

I've recently bought a tablet with W11, I wanted to give it a try... but it refused to continue the setup without internet connection... oh well, I installed W10.

 

[P4-630]

featuring performance, security

Finally 100% coded in RUST?

 

[Wirko]

What does that mean?

Broken in half.

Just don't forget about the fact that they might update windows 10 too, because no one is safe .

True... Wanna skip W11? Here, have a mix of 10 and 12, just without Alder Lake scheduler because we don't know how to make it work on 10.

 

[Assimilator]

¿have you tried running win 11 in a HDD?, because i have it running on some of the computers at work that is completely "certified" to run 11(yes, there are TONS of computers in corporate world that don't have SSD as they're "older" but perfectly functioning fast cpu computers) and the amount of unnecessary filesystem IO it has is staggering it takes forever to boot and to do anything.

Sorry, but SSDs have been the standard as a boot drive since Windows 7 in 2009. If you have a PC that's older than that, you probably shouldn't be installing Windows 10 on it, let alone Windows 11. Or, just shell out the pennies to replace the HDDs with small-capacity SSDs.

Finally 100% coded in RUST?

We can dream!

 

[Udyr]

Is there any version of Windows 11 out there that has the lowest possible bloatware and useless services, even if is a custom build version?
Seriously, I want the litest possible version if possible.

Tiny11

 

[Dr. Dro]

Will this amazing AI help windows not throw up a hundred irrelevant web search suggestions whenever I try to type the name of a known installed program on the start menu?

It won't. It will also filter out and censor hot topics and "influential or controversial people".

 

[MacZ]

Although Microsoft is leading with AI for once, if they were certain of the value proposition of it, they would have made it a standalone product/subscription. This means that it won't give new abilities or freedoms to the users but funnel them into giving more control to Microsoft (think Windows Store).

I'm dubious about how useful and practical local (ie small) models can be. And large models that have to be run on servers (like LLMs) cannot stay free forever and will require at one point a subscription to pay for the upkeep of those servers.

 

[Macro Device]

SSDs have been the standard as a boot drive since Windows 7 in 2009

They were inaccessible for the vast majority of people till probably mid 2010s. $200 for a 60 GB drive was NOT compelling (not everyone lives in the US/EU/UK, some countries exhibit sub 300 USD monthly salaries as a norm). The speed boost also wasn't as noticeable due to then-SSDs being slower and W7 being much less bloatwared. It's only about 5 years you should get yourself an SSD as a system drive.

 

[Eternit]

Although Microsoft is leading with AI for once, if they were certain of the value proposition of it, they would have made it a standalone product/subscription. This means that it won't give new abilities or freedoms to the users but funnel them into giving more control to Microsoft (think Windows Store).

I'm dubious about how useful and practical local (ie small) models can be. And large models that have to be run on servers (like LLMs) cannot stay free forever and will require at one point a subscription to pay for the upkeep of those servers.

This is useful for Microsoft not for Windows users. They used ChatGPT hype to make users happy with having copilot. Now Microsoft will collect even more data and will have more controll on what and how to present information to the users.

 

[Onasi]

Is there any version of Windows 11 out there that has the lowest possible bloatware and useless services, even if is a custom build version?
Seriously, I want the litest possible version if possible.

If you ARE willing to go custom, ReviOS and Tiny11 are the only two that do not seem to be TOO “cut down into being unusable” builds. Other option is to just start with a clean 11 Pro image and either customize it yourself or just install and spend an evening tweaking it to your preferred specs. Between WinAero, gpedit and common sense all the tools are readily available.
For what it’s worth, with decent hardware I found that there is no real perceived performance difference with 11 compared to 10. Complaints are, IMO, overblown. It runs fine. Sure, if you try to unironically run it off an HDD things will be bad, but come on. And all the “tweak for lightness” guides are also quite pointless, won’t really give you appreciably more performance in whatever you want. Just install the OS, remove/disable unneeded and unwanted MS BS and you’re fine.

 

[Macro Device]

with decent hardware I found that there is no real perceived performance difference with 11 compared to 10. Complaints are, IMO, overblown.

How do you explain ~4x latency decrease after W10 rollback on my "DLSS" machine?

 

[Eternit]

They were inaccessible for the vast majority of people till probably mid 2010s. $200 for a 60 GB drive was NOT compelling (not everyone lives in the US/EU/UK, some countries exhibit sub 300 USD monthly salaries as a norm). The speed boost also wasn't as noticeable due to then-SSDs being slower and W7 being much less bloatwared. It's only about 5 years you should get yourself an SSD as a system drive.

In 2017 I paid myself for a SSD upgrade for my PC at work. My manager didn't see a benefit of it. And it was in London where small SSD cost the same as two rounds of beers in a pub.

 

[ThrashZone]

Because they expect to make more money from AI then they do from selling Windows licenses.
On this forum are professionals, but average laptop users accepted Windows 11.


I've recently bought a tablet with W11, I wanted to give it a try... but it refused to continue the setup without internet connection... oh well, I installed W10.

Hi,
I also just got a win-11 home laptop
It was fairly easy to get around that hurdle with shift+f10 and OOBE/BypassNRO and exit
Or ipconfig /release and exit

 

[Onasi]

How do you explain ~4x latency decrease after W10 rollback on my "DLSS" machine?

Haven’t said anything about latency, have I? Yes, on 11 when monitoring with LatencyMon the number will be higher. Yes, most often what spikes it is the ntoskrnl (and NV driver, but that’s NV issue). No, I don’t think that it even matters. Unless you get really bad latency, as in red in LMon with a warning, it’s irrelevant. I tire of explaining it to people who spend hours tweaking and making potentially harmful changes to the OS and UEFI that their latency is FINE. It’s another case of people finding a number that they think they can make lower and going all in on it needlessly. I am yet to see any evidence that this actually impacts device-to-screen latency in a meaningful way.
Tell you what - if you want as low latency as possible just build a clock-locked Sandy or Ivy system with a hollowed out Win 7 install. Won’t be good for much, but the number will be really low!

 

[Halo3Addict]

Not great news, but luckily Windows is highly customizable (you can disable Copilot fairly easily right now) and and has an extremely passionate user base of devs that provide easy ways to work around a lot of Windows shortcomings. Microsoft definately shouldn't make is as hard as they do to disable features (local offline accounts should be easily accessible to EVERY user) but at least it's still possible :/

Not looking great for the future of Windows, but I am still tied to it unfortunately.

 

[Evildead666]

Sorry, but SSDs have been the standard as a boot drive since Windows 7 in 2009. If you have a PC that's older than that, you probably shouldn't be installing Windows 10 on it, let alone Windows 11. Or, just shell out the pennies to replace the HDDs with small-capacity SSDs.


We can dream!

Our Dell corporate desktop machines from 2019 came with hdd's, not ssd's.
I watched one take more than 10mins to get to desktop this week.
Our corporate refresh has been put off until october at least, and these machines warranty expired in 2022.
I would love to have ssd's on all our machines, but hdd's are still very much around in businesses.
Some dual cpu workstations are still booting off sata hdd's !
Not even sas.

All our corp win images are win10.

 

[theouto]

It won't. It will also filter out and censor hot topics and "influential or controversial people".

Oh man, cambridge analytica is currently salivating from their graves. I would say thank fuck they are not around anymore, but their spirit most definitely is.

 

[Assimilator]

Our Dell corporate desktop machines from 2019 came with hdd's, not ssd's.

That's whoever makes purchasing decisions at your company cheaping out because an HDD costs $10 less than an SSD, not Microsoft's fault. Never mind that the time saved by the SSD will make up for that $10 in the first month of use, not to mention the lifetime of the PC. But hey, that's what happens when accountants are allowed to control things they know nothing about.

 

[Nathaaab]

Will this amazing AI help windows not throw up a hundred irrelevant web search suggestions whenever I try to type the name of a known installed program on the start menu?

Disable it in the registry