4070 Ti Super or 4080 Super

[Nekajo]

It was only a problem for arm chair reviewers, not for the ones who actually own the hardware.

Yeah you are right, I don't see any games pushing vRAM too much unless you run native 4K with ray tracing or even path tracing on top which pretty much no current gen GPUs can do anyway (without upscalers and frame gen), especially not AMDs

Most games just allocate more if you have more vRAM, this is nothing new and its the exact same scenario for system RAM, more RAM means higher usage

 

[Denver]

None of the options. Buy a Nintendo Switch, it has good games. Next.

 

[Nekajo]

None of the options. Buy a Nintendo Switch, it has good games. Next.

I played Zelda BotW and TotK at 120 fps at 5K downscaled using emulator, which games does Switch have outside of these? Mario was kinda boring

Switch 2 incoming as well, I doubt now is the time to buy a Switch 1

I might pick up a Switch 2 if they can deliver 60 fps this time

I actually returned a Switch 1 after playing BotW on it, 15-30 fps was simply immersion-breaking, at times even felt like sub 10 fps

 

[gffermari]

Since you already paid more than 1000….
It’s 4080 Super only.

If you were to buy a new one, upgrading from an old gpu, then 4070Ti Super.
It is nearly as fast as a 4080, it’s not that slower than the super, comes with 16GB vram and costs 200 less.
That may be the best card of this gen.

It doesn’t make any difference if the 7900xtx is faster at raster. They all are ridiculously fast anyway in that.

 

[Nekajo]

Since you already paid more than 1000….
It’s 4080 Super only.

If you were to buy a new one, upgrading from an old gpu, then 4070Ti Super.
It is nearly as fast as a 4080, it’s not that slower than the super, comes with 16GB vram and costs 200 less.
That may be the best card of this gen.

It doesn’t make any difference if the 7900xtx is faster at raster. They all are ridiculously fast anyway in that.

Uhm, my 7900 XT hovers around the 60-70 fps mark in Avatar at 1440p with ultra preset, I would not call that ridiculously fast I tweaked the settings to give me 100+ most of the time but FSR is needed to bring this numbers to 150-175 which is still far away from my 200-300 fps goal and FSR degrades image quality.

To me, GPU power is the problem, not vRAM.

 

[Macro Device]

in Avatar

This game only runs with RT enabled. No surprise you're getting non-impressive numbers.

 

[Nekajo]

This game only runs with RT enabled. No surprise you're getting non-impressive numbers.

Funny AMD sponsored this game to begin with

It looks great tho

So forced RT era started for real I guess?

 

[freeagent]

So forced RT era started for real I guess?

Implemented sounds more like it.. Raster has its place, but so does RT..

 

[gffermari]

Uhm, my 7900 XT hovers around the 60-70 fps mark in Avatar at 1440p with ultra preset, I would not call that ridiculously fast I tweaked the settings to give me 100+ most of the time but FSR is needed to bring this numbers to 150-175 which is still far away from my 200-300 fps goal and FSR degrades image quality.

To me, GPU power is the problem, not vRAM.

This game only runs with RT enabled. No surprise you're getting non-impressive numbers.

That.
They are all ridiculously fast in raster games. Avatar is not one of them since you can’t practically play it with no RT.
Anyway, 4070 and above don’t have any problem with RT. Actually that’s the reason to buy one of them.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Yeah can't believe they did a ti super seems like the milkman version
So yeah best to wait for the 4080 ti super milkman version now

 

[adilazimdegilx]

It is safe to say that 4080 super will be 5% faster than 4080 and match 7900xtx. Specs are known so there will be no surprises there.
4070ti super is a little bit different. Core specs-wise it should be 7% faster but it has now 256bit bus so it doesn't have standart versions' weakness on high resolutions. Adding that should make it just faster than 7900xt (maybe 2-3%) at 1440p+.
These results would also fit in Nvidia's pricing. So 4070ti super will be better in price/performance and you ll need to pay extra for premium 4080 super. And AMD will cut 50$ from 7900s to stay competitive.

 

[Macro Device]

So forced RT era started for real I guess?

Not yet. In 5 to 10 years from now perhaps it will.

 

[MarsM4N]

You didn't specify your use case. But if your sig is correct and you already own a 7900 XTX a 4070 TI Super would be quite a downgrade. Even a 4080 will be a downgrade in raster performance.

4070 TI Super (for 1080p/1440p/120FPS)
4080 (for 1440p/UltraWide/4K/144+FPS, might be the best bang for buck on "sell off" discount)
4080 Super (for 1440p/UltraWide/4K/144+FPS)

So, why exactly the switch? Why not get a replacement 7900 XTX & wait for the next gen?

 

[flamethrower1972]

I would go with the 4070 ti super its all based on price.

 

[Vayra86]

It was only a problem for arm chair reviewers, not for the ones who actually own the hardware.

Today, yes. Nobody is denying that games don't readily exceed 12GB today. Only a small minority does. You might wanna check what the great W1Z wrote in his review of 12GB Supers.

Its never a problem for the owners of said hardware, they spent big on it after all, and you 'can work around it' right?
I've been in the low VRAM territory several times. Its the moment you'll upgrade your stuff. Whether that's an issue or not, depends on your expectations and time you've had with the card.

See you in a couple of years. But statements like the above are... odd if you know tech. Its a 640kb statement. Take note that W1z didn't bother writing up that limitation in the initial Ada reviews on 12GB cards. But its there now. A mere 3 months later.

 

[Deleted member 237269]

Just wait for reviews first?..

I'm feverishly awaiting the reviews of the 4070 Ti Super and 4080 Super.

Was already planning to. For 800-1300€ i can wait 2 weeks. I listed the 5 models i’m interested in.

None of the options. Buy a Nintendo Switch, it has good games. Next.

Bought a Switch Oled in 2021 but honestly nowadays i would not recommend to buy one. According to the recent Switch 2 leaks, handheld could be launched in Q3 2024. And hopefully the games from the 1 are backward compatible.
With the recents Steam Deck Oled, Lenovo Legion Go, Asus Rog Ally, MSI Claw we can only hope that Nintendo has not compromised on the performance of their new console in order to allow developers to produce quality games.

You didn't specify your use case. But if your sig is correct and you already own a 7900 XTX a 4070 TI Super would be quite a downgrade. Even a 4080 will be a downgrade in raster performance.

4070 TI Super (for 1080p/1440p/120FPS)
4080 (for 1440p/UltraWide/4K/144+FPS, might be the best bang for buck on "sell off" discount)
4080 Super (for 1440p/UltraWide/4K/144+FPS)

So, why exactly the switch? Why not get a replacement 7900 XTX & wait for the next gen?

I said that i sent it back. I’ve gone from early 2023 with the XFX Speedster MERC310 RX 7900XTX but it was a loud boy while OC and the metal nononsence backplate felt cheap to look at on my desk Switch to SAPPHIRE RX 7900 XTX Nitro+ with a full new window installation. This unit was giving me difficulties...
Goint back to Nvidia team, my last model was a 2070 Super.

For 4K on Ultra i definitely recommend to wait for the next generation in early 2025. The 4090 is a monster but it is not yet able to deliver us something truly great. Especially for current delusional prices plus VAT for those who do not live in the USA...

@dgianstefani what do you think

 

[dgianstefani]

Today, yes. Nobody is denying that games don't readily exceed 12GB today. Only a small minority does. You might wanna check what the great W1Z wrote in his review of 12GB Supers.

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Its never a problem for the owners of said hardware, they spent big on it after all, and you 'can work around it' right?
I've been in the low VRAM territory several times. Its the moment you'll upgrade your stuff. Whether that's an issue or not, depends on your expectations and time you've had with the card.

See you in a couple of years. But statements like the above are... odd if you know tech. Its a 640kb statement. Take note that W1z didn't bother writing up that limitation in the initial Ada reviews on 12GB cards. But its there now. A mere 3 months later.

"Looking at our test results, the 12 GB VRAM config is perfectly sufficient for all games except Alan Wake 2 RT in 4K, which runs at sub-30 FPS, even with more memory. This means that you'll have to turn on DLSS upscaling either way, which lowers the game's render resolution and the VRAM requirements accordingly."

A single game at 4K native (that ran out of conventional performance too).

 

[Vayra86]

It's not really a GPU anyway, rather the Terminator.

That's the only issue with these 4070s. 12 GB is a lot for a 4070, reasonable for a 4070 Super and borderline, yet still acceptable for a 4070 Ti. I agree with 16 GB being better but this is not as big of a deal as many think it is. The main benefit will come from +33% memory bandwidth rather than from extended capacity.

Agreed, but you can still be having either one of them and save face most of the time, to an extent. The x70s however lack all of it. With the capacity also comes bandwidth, so yeah.

"Looking at our test results, the 12 GB VRAM config is perfectly sufficient for all games except Alan Wake 2 RT in 4K, which runs at sub-30 FPS, even with more memory. This means that you'll have to turn on DLSS upscaling either way, which lowers the game's render resolution and the VRAM requirements accordingly."

A single game at 4K native (that ran out of conventional performance too).

In his test bed, yes. We're also not seeing modded games in any way shape or form.

The fact is, in most games you will see close to 12GB usage, so the headroom is zero. In 2023 Q4 already.
Its not rocket science, this bar won't be moving down in the future, only up, and it won't happily not advance either because a bunch of suckers stuck with 12GB in 2024. Those people will just not have access to the package others with more VRAM do have.

You really gotta stop being in denial here. Or just admit you bought a midrange card that won't push everything proper, then we're all good. But that's not what people expect when they spend >600 on a new GPU.

I'll keep repeating this, because its simply true, like it or not, and also irrespective of how many tender feelings I hurt along the way. You were warned, watch the show unfold. Its already happening. Ada is neutered. And it will show.

 

[dgianstefani]

Agreed, but you can still be having either one of them and save face most of the time, to an extent. The x70s however lack all of it. With the capacity also comes bandwidth, so yeah.


In his test bed, yes. We're also not seeing modded games in any way shape or form.

The fact is, in most games you will see close to 12GB usage, so the headroom is zero. In 2023 Q4 already.
Its not rocket science, this bar won't be moving down in the future, only up, and it won't happily not advance either because a bunch of suckers stuck with 12GB in 2024. Those people will just not have access to the package others with more VRAM do have.

You really gotta stop being in denial here. Or just admit you bought a midrange card that won't push everything proper, then we're all good. But that's not what people expect when they spend >600 on a new GPU.

"Denial"

Thinking a 4070 is a 4K ray tracing card.

OK bud.

~$600 card matching a ~1000 card in the default rendering (RT) for new game engines is what I'd call an obvious example of zero headroom for future games.

 

[Vayra86]

"Denial"

Thinking a 4070 is a 4K ray tracing card.

OK bud.

That's what YOU put forward as an example. I never, not once, spoke of RT. Stop putting words in my mouth. RT just makes it even worse, laughable, even.

 

[dgianstefani]

That's what YOU put forward as an example. I never, not once, spoke of RT. Stop putting words in my mouth.

You used the example of W1z saying that "12 GB VRAM limits performance in some edge cases."

4K Alan Wake with RT is the edge case.

Lets not play word games.

Was already planning to. For 800-1300€ i can wait 2 weeks. I listed the 5 models i’m interested in.

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Bought a Switch Oled in 2021 but honestly nowadays i would not recommend to buy one. According to the recent Switch 2 leaks, handheld could be launched in Q3 2024. And hopefully the games from the 1 are backward compatible.
With the recents Steam Deck Oled, Lenovo Legion Go, Asus Rog Ally, MSI Claw we can only hope that Nintendo has not compromised on the performance of their new console in order to allow developers to produce quality games.

I said that i sent it back. I’ve gone from early 2023 with the XFX Speedster MERC310 RX 7900XTX but it was a loud boy while OC and the metal nononsence backplate felt cheap to look at on my desk Switch to SAPPHIRE RX 7900 XTX Nitro+ with a full new window installation. This unit was giving me difficulties...
Goint back to Nvidia team, my last model was a 2070 Super.

For 4K on Ultra i definitely recommend to wait for the next generation in early 2025. The 4090 is a monster but it is not yet able to deliver us something truly great. Especially for current delusional prices plus VAT for those who do not live in the USA...

@dgianstefani what do you think

Wait for RTX 50xx, or get 4080 Super.

Neither are bad choices.

 

[N/A]

This means Ada scales primarily with Cc cores despite having 33-40% more the Bandwidth and Rops. Only 8% faster A little hard to believe. and 50 series will move to a 50% faster memory that it won't even need.

So yeah 4080 super go for it, the fully enabled die may end up 20% faster for 21% more SM. Best bang for buck solid buy if you can afford it.

 

[Vayra86]

You used the example of W1z saying that "12 GB VRAM limits performance in some edge cases."

4K Alan Wake with RT is the edge case.

Lets not play word games.

Its the edge case he found, indeed.
Fact is, there is an edge case in his review, and we all know there are quite a lot of games not covered in it as well.

Interpretation. Not word games. It seems you rush to conclusions a lot, without reading what I'm actually writing. Our opinions differ. Deal with it.

 

[Deleted member 237269]

Interpretation. Not word games. It seems you rush to conclusions a lot, without reading what I'm actually writing. Our opinions differ. Deal with it.

That’s interesting for a TPU Proofreader

 

[Dr. Dro]

This means Ada scales primarily with Cc cores despite having 33-40% more the Bandwidth and Rops. Only 8% faster A little hard to believe. and 50 series will move to a 50% faster memory that it won't even need.

So yeah 4080 super go for it, the fully enabled die may end up 20% faster for 21% more SM. Best bang for buck solid buy if you can afford it.

Only in this configuration because it's not strapped for cache or memory bandwidth. Above AD103 the story changes a little, but the 4090 is still missing a significant portion of its SMs and a very large amount of its cache. 12.5% of SMs and 25% of L2, to be precise.