4070 Ti Super or 4080 Super

[dgianstefani]

You do realize that vram limitation primarily manifests as stuttering, right? Looking at average fps is pretty much useless in that context...

Wow, the min FPS chart is just so different

4060 Ti 16 GB got a whole 0.6 FPS more from it's stutter free VRAM buffer.

 

[Zach_01]

Holy shit, how pathetic 7800 XT looks in this game compared to 6900 XT.

To be honest the 7800XT should've named as 7800 nonXT a replacement for 6800 nonXT with 15~20% better performance, which isn't much BTW.
I consider as next-gen upgrade a minimum of +25%.
5700XT to 6700XT was +35%.
6700XT to 7700XT is +22%

 

[Macro Device]

To be honest the 7800XT should've named as 7800 nonXT a replacement for 6800 nonXT with 15~20% better performance, which isn't much BTW.

It literally shares the same MSRP with 6700 XT so apple-to-apple comparison is 6700 XT VS 7800 XT, disregarding the naming. But I won't discuss that here because that's way too off-topic.

 

[rv8000]

@OP

You should probably say what your use case is going to be next time, poll and options seem otherwise pointless.

No RT 1440p+ > 7900XT/XTX

RT 1440p > 4070ti s

RT 1440p+ > 4080s

 

[Zach_01]

It literally shares the same MSRP with 6700 XT so apple-to-apple comparison is 6700 XT VS 7800 XT, disregarding the naming. But I won't discuss that here because that's way too off-topic.

It is almost +50% perf bump though and IMO doesnt fit as the 6700XT replacement.
If we consider prices too then we are completely lost and screwed.
The crypto/covid madness has left a deep scar that will never go away and lets just leave it at that for the sake of the topic here.

 

[Dragam1337]

Wow, the min FPS chart is just so different

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4060 Ti 16 GB got a whole 0.6 FPS more from it's stutter free VRAM buffer.

It's 1% lows... 0.1% lows will look alot worse.

And using a chat showing "all games average" when you were showing resident evil 4 before is just... yeah, facepalm worthy as usual.

 

[Deleted member 237269]

@OP
You should probably say what your use case is going to be next time, poll and options seem otherwise pointless.
No RT 1440p+ > 7900XT/XTX
RT 1440p > 4070ti s
RT 1440p+ > 4080s

My monitor is the Corsair 240Hz Oled 1440p, i don’t plan on going 4K before mid or end of next gen 2025~
Mostly gaming Ace Combat 7, Armored Core 6, Cyberpunk 2077, Elden Ring, Hogwarts Legacy, Starfield, Warhammer 40000 : Rogue Trader.
RT would be a nice bonus, so i’m waiting for the reviews I could still go back on the Sapphire Nitro+ with a price reduction.

 

[Vayra86]

I'd buy a shotgun and a load of body armour and start practicing my 2nd amendment rights inside AMD and NV HQs but I'm a lazy pathetic semi-veggie so not gonna happen.

4070 Ti Super is a true 4K60 GPU for Med to High settings, being a good RT performer at lower resolutions. Also more likely to fit compact cases compared to 4080S.
4080 Super is a true 4K60 GPU for High settings, even allowing for some RT at 4K.

Both green GPUs are expensive but not to the terrifying extent. I wish they were about 600 and 750 USD respectively (with other GPUs getting similar discounts) but market ain't thinking the same way.

Both 7900 XT and XTX are excellent overclockers and numbercrackers if we don't talk RT. But their lackluster feature set and last-gen level energy efficiency ain't making these GPUs very nice to buy at what they are priced now. So my bet for a GPU upgrade is 4070 Ti Super because 4080 Super won't last much longer and ~15% performance difference isn't as significant as 200 USD + VAT. And if you don't mind investing $200 into +15% stock performance then why don't you own a couple 4090s yourself? xD

Sure. I've never really said 'get an AMD' in this topic though. I voted for the 4070ti Super. What I did say about that is more along the lines of: don't spend big when you're late in gen. Its going to be superseded by something that will knock its perf/$ out of the park which will also make the value of your purchase plummet.

Resident Evil 4 is already hitting 16GB VRAM in 1440p (non ray traced), also modded Skyrim will exceed 12GB. Plus we didn't even look at the tons of unpopular and/or unoptimized games that do not get tested on a regular basis. For the most games out there 12GB will be totally fine, but there are edge cases where you have to lower your settings.

My guess 12GB only will become a real problem once the next gen consoles launch in 2026/2027 and/or when game engines up their requirements.

Aye, you can hit beyond 12GB already today. To me that's not a guarantee for shit perf or stutter, but rather, a writing on the wall. Its very clear games want close to 10 and also upwards of 12 GB. Consoles can push it too. RT has a VRAM requirement. You will probably use your card for several years. Its not difficult to add things up here.

I don't quite get why we're still on this topic seeing as all cards in play are 16GB or more. Clearly, OP already has a preference there.

THIS. It's easy to point at Nvidia and shout "d-bags", but the fact of the matter is AMD is just as bad in the GPU space.
Jensen moved the goal posts on pricing and rather than maintain a value underdog position (which was what they used to do), AMD just said screw it slot them in w pricing adjusted to performance.

Another reason to give them the lowest amount of money you want to muster for good gaming, and making sure you have a card that returns part of that money on a resale 3 years down the line, instead of being obsolete due to lack of resources.

 

[rv8000]

My monitor is the Corsair 240Hz Oled 1440p, i don’t plan on going 4K before mid or end of next gen 2025~
Mostly gaming Ace Combat 7, Armored Core 6, Cyberpunk 2077, Elden Ring, Hogwarts Legacy, Starfield, Warhammer 40000 : Rogue Trader.
RT would be a nice bonus, so i’m waiting for the reviews I could still go back on the Sapphire Nitro+ with a price reduction.

Did you ever try alternate DP cables with the 7900XTX? Gray screen afaik is a potential symptom of a bad/cheap cable. 7900XT/XTX will always be better value than anything Nvidia offers if you’re not using RT.

If the majority of AIB 4080s hit retailers at existing 4080 prices (1200-1300usd), theyre going to be just as bad a value. FE cards will be the only viable option If they don’t artificially limit supply.

If you can get a decent AIB 4080 super for 1049-1099usd (if they exist) it’ll be a good option.

 

[wheresmycar]

Holy shit, how pathetic 7800 XT looks in this game compared to 6900 XT.

for a whopping $150 less, a "negligible" 4% perf difference, 20% less power consumption + marginally beating the 6900XT in RT perf... the 7800XT doesn't even close to appearing pathetic. In-fact, if both cards were equally priced, i'd bag the 7800XT any day of the week... 250w-320w whilst gaming long sessions already gets me sweating hence ~250W looks tasty.

 

[Vayra86]

for a whopping $150 less, a "negligible" 4% perf difference, 20% less power consumption + marginally beating the 6900XT in RT perf... the 7800XT doesn't even close to appearing pathetic. In-fact, if both cards were equally priced, i'd bag the 7800XT any day of the week... 200-250w whilst gaming long sessions already gets me sweating hence can't bare the idea of shifting north of 250W.

You can run a 7900XT at 250W and enjoy 95-105% of its perf Its how I roll that lil beast anyway
I'm sure you can get the 7800XT down a good chunk too. Just set an UV and drop the max clock a bit towards 2600; 2500mhz if you want more savings.

My monitor is the Corsair 240Hz Oled 1440p, i don’t plan on going 4K before mid or end of next gen 2025~
Mostly gaming Ace Combat 7, Armored Core 6, Cyberpunk 2077, Elden Ring, Hogwarts Legacy, Starfield, Warhammer 40000 : Rogue Trader.
RT would be a nice bonus, so i’m waiting for the reviews I could still go back on the Sapphire Nitro+ with a price reduction.

Honestly, if you want to explore RT, it'd be silly to not move to team green. But I read bonus. From my personal experience with it... I don't care for it one bit. None of the games you play 'needs' an Nvidia card either. You cán play with RT on an AMD card fine, so you can explore it. I wouldn't say you're going to comfortably play with it on as you would on Nvidia.

So its really the dilemma of old: more raster for your $$ (which, at 240hz isn't a bad thing) or a better upscale for more $$ with RT bonus points. A situation you could call 'the price of RT'? Only you can decide. At this perf level (4070ti Super and up) the base performance of any card you listed is just fine, I think its mostly a matter of cost, or better put, bang/buck. Both AMD and Nv have compelling arguments if you put a 20-24GB versus 16GB set of cards, though I would nudge to a 4070ti S in this case, all the above considered, including your res/refresh. No single card is going to give you 240fps everywhere, so we can drop that idea right away, no point in overpaying for the top end; but if a good deal comes along...

 

[Deleted member 237269]

Did you ever try alternate DP cables with the 7900XTX? Gray screen afaik is a potential symptom of a bad/cheap cable. 7900XT/XTX will always be better value than anything Nvidia offers if you’re not using RT.

Ah, didn’t even consider this. Had no issues with the XFX but i could have damaged the cable during the sapphire installation or it’s just junk quality. It's not easy to distinguish good from bad brands of Display Port, HDMI cables on Amazon. They give you “certified” stickers which are often fake or for a very precise specification... Sigh

Always keep the hardware boxes

 

[Dr. Dro]

An AD102 with no cutdowns would likely be 20% faster than the 4090, yeah.

My estimate is closer to 25-30% provided they use the 24 Gbps memory upgrade that the 4080 has, the 4090 still uses the older 21 Gbps chips

 

[rv8000]

Ah, didn’t even consider this. Had no issues with the XFX but i could have damaged the cable during the sapphire installation or it’s just junk quality. It's not easy to distinguish good from bad brands of Display Port, HDMI cables on Amazon. They give you “certified” stickers which are often fake or for a very precise specification... Sigh
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Always keep the hardware boxes

More just something to think about in the future I guess as you no longer have the nitro card? I picked up DP 2.1 cables; ill check through reviews after I see any sort of vesa certification just to make sure there isn’t mention of cable issue such as display cut-outs. I haven’t had any issues at 1440p/240hz on the silkland 2.1 cables I bought (6’/10’).

 

[Macro Device]

for a whopping $150 less, a "negligible" 4% perf difference, 20% less power consumption + marginally beating the 6900XT in RT perf... the 7800XT doesn't even close to appearing pathetic. In-fact, if both cards were equally priced, i'd bag the 7800XT any day of the week... 250w-320w whilst gaming long sessions already gets me sweating hence ~250W looks tasty.

C'mon, I was kidding. I know 7800 XT is a better value card overall.

 

[wheresmycar]

You can run a 7900XT at 250W and enjoy 95-105% of its perf Its how I roll that lil beast anyway
I'm sure you can get the 7800XT down a good chunk too. Just set an UV and drop the max clock a bit towards 2600; 2500mhz if you want more savings.

Yep, i run my 2 nV cards at stock most part of the year but in the summer (or shooting north of 25c ambient) the UV configured profile kicks in.... still gets hot though esp. 30c+ summer, hot enough to enforce switching on a 8" desktop fan and another 16" tower fan at a distance. I guess its a price we're gonna have to pay when in pursuit of high performance graphics cards.

C'mon, I was kidding. I know 7800 XT is a better value card overall.

my bad...

 

[Dragam1337]

My estimate is closer to 25-30% provided they use the 24 Gbps memory upgrade that the 4080 has, the 4090 still uses the older 21 Gbps chips

I dont think the memory would make that much of a difference tbh - oc'ing the mem 1500 mhz barely makes a difference.

I personally think it's mostly about that L2 cache, as said

But i guess we will never know. What i do know is that it's absurd that we have to pay as much as we do for a product that is quite far from as good as nvidia could easily have made it.

 

[ThirtyNinety]

I dont think the memory would make that much of a difference tbh - oc'ing the mem 1500 mhz barely makes a difference.

I personally think it's mostly about that L2 cache, as said

But i guess we will never know. What i do know is that it's absurd that we have to pay as much as we do for a product that is quite far from as good as nvidia could easily have made it.

But, still, the most beautiful part of it all is: we don't have to do anything. As we really do not owe Nvidia any money. As a matter of fact they need us, even for their A.I. revenues.

 

[freeagent]

they need us, even for their A.I. revenues.

I don't think they need us at all for that.. what they make from GPUs pays the employee wages, buy a GPU, feed a guy for a month

 

[wheresmycar]

What i do know is that it's absurd that we have to pay as much as we do for a product that is quite far from as good as nvidia could easily have made it.

Yep being a life-long NV subscriber this is one area which has finally peed me off! 40-series is testament to "perception of high value" whilst eliciting production cost gimp'ery. The best stuff overpriced. The middle-ground high performance larger market confined to intentionally limiting performance, features, cutting costs and maximizing on profits. Massive price increase at the top end and equally extortionate high price trickling effects at the lower levels and some of the lower level stuff stinks of gimp-go-bonanza product handicapping or speedier obsolescence. The 4070 TI SUPER is no fix IMO not at "$800"... thats where the 4080 should have been all along. Actually depends on how you look at it, more like its a less perf but more affordable 80-class FIX with a 70-class dressing. Surely a great card but its greatness is over-valued by a long shot.

Although at times i do think "if people are willing to pay these sorts of prices, if I was captaining the Green chair with my black leather jacket, i'd probably rip em off too"

 

[rv8000]

Yep being a life-long NV subscriber this is one area which has finally peed me off! 40-series is testament to "perception of high value" whilst eliciting production cost gimp'ery. The best stuff overpriced. The middle-ground high performance larger market confined to intentionally limiting performance, features, cutting costs and maximizing on profits. Massive price increase at the top end and equally extortionate high price trickling effects at the lower levels and some of the lower level stuff stinks of gimp-go-bonanza product handicapping or speedier obsolescence. The 4070 TI SUPER is no fix IMO not at "$800"... thats where the 4080 should have been all along. Actually depends on how you look at it, more like its a less perf but more affordable 80-class FIX with a 70-class dressing. Surely a great card but its greatness is over-valued by a long shot.

Although at times i do think "if people are willing to pay these sorts of prices, if I was captaining the Green chair with my black leather jacket, i'd probably rip em off too"

The situation won’t change as long as consumers continue to throw cash at and swarm by the feet of leather jacket man. They’ve be pushing the boundary for quite some time now, nor do they care about the desktop consumer space.

 

[Dr. Dro]

The situation won’t change as long as consumers continue to throw cash at and swarm by the feet of leather jacket man. They’ve be pushing the boundary for quite some time now, nor do they care about the desktop consumer space.

What's the option, Radeon?

 

[Deleted member 237269]

The situation won’t change as long as consumers continue to throw cash at and swarm by the feet of leather jacket man. They’ve be pushing the boundary for quite some time now, nor do they care about the desktop consumer space.

Compared to the volume they sell for AI and Crypto we are now the minority We should feel honored to even witness the back of the leather jacket.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Compared to the volume they sell for AI and Crypto we are now the minority We should feel honored to even witness the back of the leather jacket.

Both companies only care about money and rightfully so that's the point people online act like if they were head of Nvidia they'd do anything differently.... AMD would act just like Nvidia if their places were switched neither company deserves any defending and people just need to prioritize what best fits their gaming needs regardless of gpu maker.

I guess people forget when the 5000 cpu series launched AMD wanted 300 usd for a 6 core literally the minute they got ahead and it wasn't till Alderlake released that they graced us with more affordable options.

 

[Dragam1337]

Yep being a life-long NV subscriber this is one area which has finally peed me off! 40-series is testament to "perception of high value" whilst eliciting production cost gimp'ery. The best stuff overpriced. The middle-ground high performance larger market confined to intentionally limiting performance, features, cutting costs and maximizing on profits. Massive price increase at the top end and equally extortionate high price trickling effects at the lower levels and some of the lower level stuff stinks of gimp-go-bonanza product handicapping or speedier obsolescence. The 4070 TI SUPER is no fix IMO not at "$800"... thats where the 4080 should have been all along. Actually depends on how you look at it, more like its a less perf but more affordable 80-class FIX with a 70-class dressing. Surely a great card but its greatness is over-valued by a long shot.

Although at times i do think "if people are willing to pay these sorts of prices, if I was captaining the Green chair with my black leather jacket, i'd probably rip em off too"

Issue is when there isn't really that much competition, especially at the top end.

If you want / need as much gpu power as you can get, then there is only one product really, which the price clearly reflects. And the fact that it's due to lack of competition is clear when you look at last gen - 6900xt was very close to 3090 in performance, thus 3090 was only slightly more expensive... not nearly (or in some cases literally) twice as expensive as we are seeing now with the 4090 vs 7900xtx.