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"Helping you Save $200"

Made me giggle. Closer to $270CAD which is quite a bit, about $300 after taxes.

Good review as always.

Not buying it saves me about $1520 CAD

Weird no FE only non-FE cards.
Give it a few days I guess.
 
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It depends on what you are about to do with the GPU. Just gaming or gaming and enjoy AI ?
I would just say, keep your money.
If you can survive with your current GPU right now, go on, the XTX is bad with AI and the 4080 is a GPU from 2022.
Wait for the end of the year or the end of 2025, go travel and use your money wisely, or not, go play at a casino, it would be less of a hassle than buying old stuff at very high price. Even a PS5 or a stupid OLED Steamdeck would be a better investment than those GPU right now xD
XTX is around 9 percent faster at 4k, so at $799 would be crazy good, it doesn't need to go that low to sell out

if you are all in on RT of course you buy nvidia, but RT doesn't interest me at all
 
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Very diplomatic, for sure. I appreciate that from a review.

It's a nice card; 4080 always was an almost-perfect card (especially when it launched). There was never any debate about that (I don't think?).

The problem was it was fookin' expensive. This is $200 less and still a nice card, but still too fookin' expensive IMHO and probably in a lot of OPO.

Maybe I live in a land of boomers remembering 25¢ cups of coffee, but I can't get past that this costs more than I paid for a new Voodoo2, 9700pro, and 9800pro in their heyday COMBINED.

(I didn't know which cards to use as an example, I've owned/used/tested a crap ton of cards from ~98-now. We all have our favorites, for whatever reason). Maybe 4870+6870+7870 is slightly more relevant?
I'm also the (exploding) 970 guy, 1080 (ccc-combobreaker but I needed something for a 4k tv when it launched), and then 2080 Ti (which was cheap after 30 series launch because some people be fools).

Now I'm just sad, although I don't begrudge 7800xt. I'm just more the type to wait for a $600 card that's capable of what a 7900xt can do overclocked or a 4080 at stock (120), even if it's absolute (OC) perf.

We just need a better class of mid-range: it's long over-due; not a nice-but-expensive card many can't justify or a relatively-expensive part not much faster than my Playstation (or eventual Pro).

I will give nVIDIA credit, there ARE actual merits to this card for those that can. While there are instances the reverse is true for raster (and the 7900xtx could give a tangibly better experience in certain games at 1440p/4k that are not Counterstrike), there are indeed instances with this card where RT is usable where it is not on the AMD counterpart. It's a trade-off, and one that I can respect someone choosing either direction, especially with current pricing. There will surely be instances at some point the larger RAM pool will be of some help (alongside the extra raster), but it's not something I would say would make it a no-brainer decision. I stand by the notion that raster/ram age better and are of greater long-term use than current-gen RT performance (which will be deprecated and at some point become a non-factor), but for now it's a fair toss-up if that's what you want.

In my opinion, and I respect if you disagree, it comes down to looking at something like this, as I do think it shows a fairly decent representation of what we can expect in the near-future:

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You'll likely be able to run a lot of games on a 7900xtx with RT at 'decent' rates; you'll likely get your 60 (especially if you OC/tweak settings a little). Will they be better on a 4080? Yes.
There will be a lot of games that at higher resolution 4080 cards will just not be able to play at a decent rate because of lower raster perf, and 7900xtx will. Ain't no cure for a 4080 than to buy a new card.

More-so than any other match-up (where I think the other Super cards are folly vs their competition), 4080 remains a viable option if you are looking for that very specific thing (for right now).
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All parts above 4070 Ti Super are plenty-good on-the-whole; just too damn expensive.

One could argue 7900xt, although the cheapest, is still wine to the beer-drinking masses (and some are unwilling to OC to get that threshold performance into the high-end).

I wonder if Navi 4 will move the needle. Might; might not. Hope so. If not, maybe a $600 Blackwell. Who knows.

W1zard is right wrt his conclusion, though, imo. The performance is good and most really don't even need a 4090: the price just needs to come down (more) so more people can justify it (versus a console).

It's wonderful for those that can justify these for what they are, but this racket, even $200 less, is just not, and should not be, sustainable imho.

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eww. Wouldn't touch a 4090 with a 10 foot (20x-telescopic) pole. That's not perfection, thats selling yer soul to the devil and being shafted in the BUMB with a HOT 3-pointed pitchfork :eek:

Its gotto be a balance of good value, great performance and stability. Unfortunately the 4090 never got its booster injection to come out of the pandemic... so nah, too high risk!



$200 less, easily XTX!!

But thats just me... I'm not entirely infused by all this RT/PT stuff when it's "soo" taxing and not so widely available. When we start seeing graphics intense titles at 4K comfortably hitting 120fps+ with RT enabled without having to spend ridiculous sums of money, i'm in!! I do like Nvidia's upscaling tech, its simply better but im an optimist.. FSR will eventually see further improvements down the line. Personally i still render in Native settings even having a RTX 3080 on the GO. At 1440p, it easily meets my performance/visual quality goals.
Well 7900xtx in my country is 1150$ while i had purchased a 4080 super for 1481$. The reason why i didn't go with amd is that i am using a 4k 144hz monitor and oreviously i had been using 6900xt for it and while playing hogwarts legacy i realized that fsr quality was making the trees and hairs too jaggy so i switched to 3090 and dlss was perfect it was even better than native yet 4k 144hz is to taxing to olay without dlss frame gen so i switched to 4080 super yesterday. I fully support buying an AMD gpu on FHD because dlss will suck as well so you have to resort to rasterization, for 1440p both are equal but for 4k i believe Nvidia is the better choice as dlss is better and dlss balanced gives the same image with fsr quality so i wouldn't mind paying extra for Nvidia as the reason why i went with 4k is the image quality so why sacrifice on that.
 
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I really don't understand those who "ehi, It has the same exact performance of the 4080, but it costs 200 bucks less!". I think we ALL know this card wil NEVER be found available at the listing price.
 
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What's more appealing, xtx for $799 or 4080s for $999?
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See my picture. I cannot assesss professional application, but Nvidia wins there probably too. So 4080 is winning 8:3 or 9:3 and is worth $200 extra, or more.

AMD needs to drop the price of the 7900 XTX significantly.
 
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when you can take better advantage of your high refresh rate screen with PT off?
My screen is 60 Hz. Not everyone owns a million Hz display.
 
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See my picture. I cannot assesss professional application, but Nvidia wins there probably too. So 4080 is winning 8:2 or 9:2 and is worth $200 extra, or more.

AMD needs to drop the price of the 7900 XTX significantly.
Maybe you should actually read the review instead of making stuff up?

Idle power for the 7900 XTX inthisreview is lower than the 4080 super etc.

as for PSU requirement, that is also nonsense, the 7900 XTX uses 40 more watts, you'll probably just use the same PSU

etc. etc. I won't argue about everything in that list but most of it is bunk (particularly in raster the 7900 XTX is usually 9 percent faster than the 4080 super, but you call it the same, ok, then the 4070 Super and the 4070 Ti are the same card etc. since they were only 6 percent apart in reviews here)

[for example if your 4080 super uses 302 watts, and the 7900 XTX is 9 percent faster in that game (average found over all games in HUB), then it can use ~340 watts for the same efficiency, and Wizzard found in his review that the 7900 XTX uses ~350 watts, so limit your TDP -10 watts and voila basically the same, the energy efficiency of the cards is VERY similar]

people also forget the last SUPER review, 4070 Ti super where AMD was more efficient...

[this is coming from a disappointed RTX 4080 buyer that is glad got all my money back before the price drop, i'm back to using the 3080 instead now]
 
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VAT doesn't matter, it is applied on all models. The fact is that base models of RTX 4080 were already being sold below MSRP in Europe (and remained on shelves), now they released RTX 4080 SUPER at basically the same price as discounted RTX 4080, at the same performance, and we're being told we should be grateful for this large discount, and rush to stores!
 
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Maybe you should actually read the review instead of making stuff up?

Idle power for the 7900 XTX inthisreview is lower than the 4080 super etc.

as for PSU requirement, that is also nonsense, the 7900 XTX uses 40 more watts, you'll probably just use the same PSU

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I admit that I do not know the exact current power draw of 7900 XTX (with the newest driver), but it has been a problem for a long time.


When you see the power draw of the 7900 XTX in this video compared to 4080, you may think that if a 4080 can work with 750W PSU, 7900XTX might work OK with 850W, but just ask 7900 XTX owners, what PSU are they using to be able to run the card stable...
 
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When you see the power draw of the 7900 XTX in this video compared to 4080, you may think that if a 4080 can work with 750W PSU, 7900XTX might work OK with 850W, but just ask 7900 XTX owners, what PSU are they using to be able to run the card stable...
A 7900XTX will work on a 750W PSU, even the most power hungry AIB models have transient peaks below 550W. If it doesn't it's because the PSU is junk.
 
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A 7900XTX will work on a 750W PSU, even the most power hungry AIB models have transient peaks below 550W. If it doesn't it's because the PSU is junk.
I better should not base what I think and write on a few random comments I saw on the internet, however most of the time such tidbits of information are not completely worthless.

I saw messages about needing a powerful PSU to stabilise a 7900 XTX multiple times.
 
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I saw messages about needing a powerful PSU to stabilise a 7900 XTX multiple times.
Yeah but you don't understand how this works, you can have problems even on a 1000W PSU. A lot of people still use old high wattage multi rail PSUs with shitty protection circuits aka they're junk.
 
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I'll be honest. If this card would have been 400$ cheaper (as it should have been normal for a 4080), I would have actually considered to buy the next RTX 5080 after its release.
Paying 1000$ for a 4080 card, when a couple years ago, the top dog Titanium cards were the same price, is delulu to say the least.
 
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Paying 1000$ for a 4080 card, when a couple years ago, the top dog Titanium cards were the same price, is delulu to say the least.
What if NVidia actually want to recoup the ginormous cost of development of RT, upscaling and frame generation?

Can you imagine how many hundreds of millions this costed?

I personaly like and use every single of these features.

You are not buying just the "iron" itself, but the development cost, and support in the future.
 
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To each their own, but personally, I’m not buying $1000+ cards to degrade visuals by introducing ghosting, shimmering, texture smearing and other such upscaling artifacts that are present in both DLSS and FSR. Not to mention when you need either FG tech to stay above 60 FPS, you’re already in the worst case scenario, generally at 4K where the 7900XTX has its biggest lead over the 4080.

It’d be interesting to see data covering games played with and without RT, and additionally games with RT and people disabling or enabling the features. I’d be willing to be its single digit percentages of people actually utilizing RT in games. It’s astounding how poor a choice the average joe will make based what their needs actually are.
Totally agree. Realtime Ray Tracing is the most grossly overrated gimmick in today's gaming world. I can name only 2 games where Ray Tracing makes a a little difference in graphics fidelity:
Cyberpunk (not worth the performance impact) and The Ascent (superbly implemented with minimum performance impact). Other than that, is a disabled by default "feature", together with the crappy DLSS. And yes, without RTRT, even a 3080 card can play the latest games with full details and FPS.

What if NVidia actually want to recoup the ginormous cost of development of RT, upscaling and frame generation?

Can you imagine how many hundreds of millions this costed?

I personaly like and use every single of these features.

You are not buying just the "iron" itself, but the development cost, and support in the future.
Relax my friend. They are making most of the money with their overly expensive Data Center professional cards, not with the gaming ones. Their return of investment is probably around 1000% or more, so no need to cry for them.
 
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Relax my friend. They are making most of the money with their overly expensive Data Center professional cards, not with the gaming ones. Their return of investment is probably around 1000% or more, so no need to cry for them.
I am not worried about them and also do not like their stingy approach of providing the bare minimum for customers, which they can stomach, but on the other hand I like those features. And also their cards simply work and also work efficiently.

I am not buying a card that draws 100W just because you have two monitors with different refresh rates connected to it. Such card is broken in my eyes. So for me AMD this generation was out of the question.
 
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I would just say, keep your money.
If you can survive with your current GPU right now, go on, the XTX is bad with AI and the 4080 is a GPU from 2022.
Wait for the end of the year or the end of 2025, go travel and use your money wisely, or not, go play at a casino, it would be less of a hassle than buying old stuff at very high price. Even a PS5 or a stupid OLED Steamdeck would be a better investment than those GPU right now xD
Totally agree. A 2 years old GPU sold for 300-400$ more than it should have been sold, it's by far the worst investment anyone can make at the moment. Is a no brainer.
 

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Totally agree. Realtime Ray Tracing is the most grossly overrated gimmick in today's gaming world. I can name only 2 games where Ray Tracing makes a a little difference in graphics fidelity:
Cyberpunk (not worth the performance impact) and The Ascent (superbly implemented with minimum performance impact). Other than that, is a disabled by default "feature", together with the crappy DLSS. And yes, without RTRT, even a 3080 card can play the latest games with full details and FPS.


Relax my friend. They are making most of the money with their overly expensive Data Center professional cards, not with the gaming ones. Their return of investment is probably around 1000% or more, so no need to cry for them.
Today I've bought a 4080 super. Previously I was using rtx 3090 and before that I was using my 6900xt. All with the same monitor which is 4k 144hz. The reason I switched to Nvidia was because of DLSS. The fsr was very bad on hogwarts legacy even on 4k quality settings so I traded my 6900xt with rtx 3090 and was very happy with it. The reason why I switched to 4080 super is frame generation. On the Ray tracing matter I %100 agre with you. I wouldn't even sacrifice %20 of my fps for that feature however dlss is a game changer because on 4k quality settings it provides an image better than the native one while increasing my fps by a whooping %20 which is the equivalent of going from rtx 3060 to 4060. The cheapest rx7900xtx was 1.150USD while the cheapest 4080 super was 1.350 USD but like I said I do value DLSS a lot because unlike what you have described DLSS for me have been nothing but a free fps booster and Image enhancer.
 
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