Windows 11 General Discussion

[lexluthermiester]

So, an update on the Defender situation I described yesterday. Seems like I was indeed correct when I thought that the January 24th Update borked something in my Windows Update behaviour. The system just... doesn't check for updates automatically anymore. If I click it manually all is fine and dandy and it works and downloads. But there is no automatic check on a fresh boot after *checks time* around 18-19 hours of the PC being off. This is... weird, seeing how it worked properly before. I haven't changed anything, no Group Policies affecting the WU had been changed. The SFC comes out normal, DISM check too, Windows Update troubleshooter doesn't do anything. I have no idea what MS borked up here. It's not too big of a deal since I can just check manually at my leasure, but the whole issue is just bizzare.
Hilariously, Defender itself still checks for and downloads new definitions from the Security Center. It's a mess.

That's nice! I wish that was a permenant and deliberate change! The user should always be in control of they PC, and that includes updates.

 

[Onasi]

That's nice! I wish that was a permenant and deliberate change! The user should always be in control of they PC, and that includes updates.

You can check the edit, seems like it isn't. Not like it's too hard on a Pro version to configure GPs for "Notify, but I download and install myself" Update behaviour. I had it on Auto just to not bother with checking for Defs, but if Defender just pulls them on its own I see no real reason to KEEP it on Auto.
I love how convenient and transparent the whole system is, very cool, thank you MS. /s

 

[gurusmi]

That not the same article I read, but it's similar. So yeah, that about covers it.

The article should have provided the evidence from a different source. It shows that

1: the new command takes more time
and
2. That it was unneccessary to introduce a new command for a bitshift.

or just to show that my words were right. As i leave the M$-world this year I don't really care that much what they will do. In future I will mostly use Linux. I just need to change my developed macros frm Excel to LibreOffice. That's a hell of work. But better now than never. Nevertheless i will have to utilitize Windows for my water cooling systtem (AquaSuite) as a service partition and also for my Creality 3D Scanner. The rest of my used Software is also available within the Linux-universe.Also i change the base to Gambas or Freepascal for my software development basis. I doon't need any AI. I'm running on my at birth given NI.

 

[R-T-B]

That it was unneccessary to introduce a new command for a bitshift.

PopCnt simply returns the exact number of 1s in a byte, is that the same thing as a bitshift? Its not how I remember it but my foundations here are shakey.

Anyways popcnt is not an ms instruction at all. Its been around far before ms was even a company as a concept, and is part of the SSE2 extended instructions in x86.

 

[gurusmi]

PopCnt simply returns the exact number of 1s in a byte, is that the same thing as a bitshift? Its not how I remember it but my foundations here are shakey.

Anyways popcnt is not an ms instruction at all. Its been around far before ms was even a company as a concept, and is part of the SSE2 extended instructions in x86.

POPCNT is introduceed from AMD as ABM with the start of SSE4.2.

A bitfield is a kind of storage for bits. There is no reason one need to know how much 1's or 0's are in that field. If one would need to know that he had choosen the wrong datatype.

 

[Onasi]

POPCNT is introduceed from AMD as ABM with the start of SSE4.2.

Was that with Barcelona in 2006 or am I getting my architectures mixed?

 

[R-T-B]

There is no reason one need to know how much 1's or 0's are in that field.

But that's exactly what the instruction does?

They don't waste x86 silicon space on meaningless instructions. You are going to have a very uphill battle to prove that they do.

At any rate this is kind of offtopic now.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Some more goodies

Microsoft making sure you know why old unsupported CPU can't bypass Windows 11 requirements

The first Windows 11 24H2 Insider build was eventful as it brought many new features and improvements while also confirming a shift in CPU ISA support. The next one builds on top of it.

www.neowin.net

And google swooping in hehe

Google of course has this entire situation on its radar which is why it wants owners of unsupported PCs to dump Windows 10 and 11 and switch over to its ChromeOS Flex.

Also as I was saying there are now two cpu hurdles now

 

[mtosev]

For my mom's friend I upgraded a ryzen 3 2200G to 3200G which officially supports Windows 11. So there wouldn't be any compatibility issues.

 

[Onasi]

Hi,
Some more goodies

Microsoft making sure you know why old unsupported CPU can't bypass Windows 11 requirements

The first Windows 11 24H2 Insider build was eventful as it brought many new features and improvements while also confirming a shift in CPU ISA support. The next one builds on top of it.

www.neowin.net

And google swooping in hehe


Also as I was saying there are now two cpu hurdles now
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I mean, if this is now an official stance, then fair enough. I think the whole situation is blown out of proportion. There is no real issue with a 2024 version of a OS not supporting CPUs from almost two decades ago. Like, come on.

 

[ThrashZone]

I mean, if this is now an official stance, then fair enough. I think the whole situation is blown out of proportion. There is no real issue with a 2024 version of a OS not supporting CPUs from almost two decades ago. Like, come on.

Hi,
Forbidden fruit is the only thing that attracted people to 11 early and why so many workarounds were posted to install it.
The cpu compatibility list was very short and slow to add more.

Now it's pretty long and they have at least narrowed the field so not sure what the hell ms was thinking when 11 released frankly but ms are run by fools pretty much sums it up with a nice bow hehe

Take note "must support" for secure boot and tpm isn't actually accurate these items have to be enabled soon on 24h2 likely.

 

[Klemc]

Hi,
Forbidden fruit is the only thing that attracted people to 11 early and why so many workarounds were posted to install it.
The cpu compatibility list was very short and slow to add more.

Now it's pretty long and they have at least narrowed the field so not sure what the hell ms was thinking when 11 released frankly but ms are run by fools pretty much sums it up with a nice bow hehe

Take note "must support" for secure boot and tpm isn't actually accurate these items have to be enabled soon on 24h2 likely.

At the start, they don't need everybody upgrading, there is enough people with correct hardware...

... later they open the upgrade to more hardware/users, it's not so bad... and there is Win 10-8-8.1-7 anyway.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Hi,
Some more goodies

Microsoft making sure you know why old unsupported CPU can't bypass Windows 11 requirements

The first Windows 11 24H2 Insider build was eventful as it brought many new features and improvements while also confirming a shift in CPU ISA support. The next one builds on top of it.

www.neowin.net

And google swooping in hehe


Also as I was saying there are now two cpu hurdles now
View attachment 334845

To be fair, this limitation isn't going to affect too many people. Everything AMD from K10 forward has it and everything Intel from 988/1156/1366 forward has it. IF anyone is using CPU's older than that, they'll have to be happy with an older version of 11 that will have limited support going forward.

 

[mtosev]

Has anyone tested that Amazon app store which enables you to run Android apps on Windows?
Currently it's not available in my country.

Countries and regions that support Amazon Appstore on Windows - Microsoft Support

support.microsoft.com

 

[theFOoL]

Any chance of a DirectX upgrade just curious though I don't Game

 

[ThrashZone]

Any chance of a DirectX upgrade just curious though I don't Game

Hi,
You might use edge and ask bing/ msnbc AI lol or if you have copilot ask it either should know

 

[Onasi]

Any chance of a DirectX upgrade just curious though I don't Game

Unlikely, unless we are talking about just adding some features to the DX12 spec. Let’s call it Ultimate 1.1 or whatever. The whole point of going to low level APIs like DX12 and Vulkan in the first place was to reduce abstraction layer and allow developers closer access to hardware to do what used to be done by older APIs, but now fully in-engine and more efficiently. Plus it gives access to all the new toys, like RT, but also much more. Creating another DX11 is pointless with this in mind and any improvements to 12 can be evolutionarily rather than “here’s a whole new version, learn everything from scratch again”. And the current full DX12 Ultimate spec is fairly future proof in terms of features, most of them are only now seeing full non-gimmicky use as AAA devs leave the previous gen consoles behind. And for smaller and indie studios who don’t have the expertise to work with low level APIs the DX11 (and OpenGL, natch) is still there and serves all their needs, really.

 

[theFOoL]

Unlikely, unless we are talking about just adding some features to the DX12 spec. Let’s call it Ultimate 1.1 or whatever. The whole point of going to low level APIs like DX12 and Vulkan in the first place was to reduce abstraction layer and allow developers closer access to hardware to do what used to be done by older APIs, but now fully in-engine and more efficiently. Plus it gives access to all the new toys, like RT, but also much more. Creating another DX11 is pointless with this in mind and any improvements to 12 can be evolutionarily rather than “here’s a whole new version, learn everything from scratch again”. And the current full DX12 Ultimate spec is fairly future proof in terms of features, most of them are only now seeing full non-gimmicky use as AAA devs leave the previous gen consoles behind. And for smaller and indie studios who don’t have the expertise to work with low level APIs the DX11 (and OpenGL, natch) is still there and serves all their needs, really.

Like y'all remember back with they had DirectX 9.0 packages? I'm talking about that

 

[windwhirl]

Like y'all remember back with they had DirectX 9.0 packages? I'm talking about that

I doubt it. Since Windows 10, if not Windows 8, any update Microsoft ever did to DirectX comes alongside the OS feature update of the time, if I recall correctly. So, most people will just have to keep their system updated and they'll be on the latest DirectX version available.

 

[LabRat 891]

Hi,
Some more goodies

Microsoft making sure you know why old unsupported CPU can't bypass Windows 11 requirements

The first Windows 11 24H2 Insider build was eventful as it brought many new features and improvements while also confirming a shift in CPU ISA support. The next one builds on top of it.

www.neowin.net

And google swooping in hehe


Also as I was saying there are now two cpu hurdles now
View attachment 334845

Whoa, holup.

You saying, that the phenomena of everyone ignoring the glut of 8.1x64+ incompatible PCs
is actually being addressed?! -and by Google, of all companies?

How's proton integration, etc? I've got a Dual S940 build that I'd really like to have more than 4GB of RAM in (and use).

edit:
Oh, nvm. ChromeOS Flex, is an absolute non-starter

Guess, I'll just expect to bash my head on trying to get Holo OS (SteamOS 'universal') running, or some other flavor of x64 Linux.
I'd put Win11 x86 on there (w/ Optane Page File), if it existed.

 

[theFOoL]

Question... Do know if I extract the ISO from the latest 058 build would I want to transfer some files from the stable *working on outdated hardware hence mine. Do y'all know which folder to look into

 

[Onasi]

@theFOoL
Could you maybe rephrase the question a bit, I am not entirely clear on what you are asking. Also, what do you mean by 058? The builds versions are notated differently, no? The latest stable is 22631.3155 if we are talking 11 with 23H2. You mean that ISO?

 

[theFOoL]

@theFOoL
Could you maybe rephrase the question a bit, I am not entirely clear on what you are asking. Also, what do you mean by 058? The builds versions are notated differently, no? The latest stable is 22631.3155 if we are talking 11 with 23H2. You mean that ISO?

I'm currently DL'ING from UUPDUMP. Like last time I made a windows go with wintousb and it just stalls at the loading hence my 775. I'm trying to do the things y'all did or whatever like replace something with some folder or something

Build 058. 1100

 

[Onasi]

Hm, not sure. If you had a stable version of 22H2 that worked then I don't THINK you should need any additional files for 23H2. The versions are identical in terms of system files, MS didn't do a full rebase this time around.

 

[theFOoL]

No ah ha I'm just one of those people who want to test like I know the newer 24H will stop older hardware for good this time bc they added some crap but I just want to see if we replace some files from the current to this one