14900 KS - the fastest Intel processor ever just launched

[dgianstefani]

And that's exactly why the opening statement is inaccurate.

If I could go back a year, I wouldn't upgrade to the 7800X3D. Sure, it's fast, and I love its modest power consumption, but the 7700X isn't so much worse for me to feel it in my day-to-day, especially with a mid-range GPU.

That's not a "gotcha" moment like you seem to think though. If I say the Porsche 919 Hybrid Evo is "the fastest car", it would be correct, because over a varied test (Nürburgring for example) that looks at more than just straight line speed, it is. Despite a Veyron or whatever technically being "faster" to 60 mph on a drag strip or whatever.

Arguing with this point when you don't even have the chip in question, or intend to ever buy it, or even have the use case for it (and in fact have the chip you're arguing is faster, the Veyron/7800X3D) just makes you seem like a fanboy looking at technicalities.

It's not hot. Mine runs at 82 °C max under a be quiet! Dark Rock 4. Other than that, every CPU is a compromise. With the X3D, you compromise clock speeds, memory clocks, OC, etc... But you also compromise with the 14900KS, there's thermal problems, power consumption, platform and PSU costs, etc. Everything is a compromise one way or another - this is my point!

It's a ~40-50 W chip running at 82°C under one of the best air coolers in existence. That's hot. Try to at least understand what people are meaning instead of constantly being defensive, it's tedious.

 

[AusWolf]

That's not a "gotcha" moment like you seem to think though. If I say the Porsche 919 Hybrid Evo is "the fastest car", it would be correct, because over a varied test (Nürburgring for example) that looks at more than just straight line speed, it is. Despite a Veyron or whatever technically being "faster" to 60 mph on a drag strip or whatever.

Arguing with this point when you don't even have the chip in question, or intend to ever buy it, or even have the use case for it (and in fact have the chip you're arguing is faster, the Veyron/7800X3D) just makes you seem like a fanboy looking at technicalities.

So you have to specify "the fastest car on a race track". You can't just say "the fastest car, period", as there is no such thing. It's a dumb hype train, nothing more.

It's a ~40-50 W chip running at 82°C under one of the best air coolers in existence. That's hot. Try to at least understand what people are meaning instead of constantly being defensive, it's tedious.

It runs at 82 °C at a 90 W full load. I agree, it's bad. But as long as the game performance is there, and it runs at 60 °C in games, I don't care. This is the compromise I accept. With the 14900KS, you accept other compromises.

My point is that there is no such CPU that's objectively better than another. In recent years, there have been lots of different options, all of which are good for the appropriate use case.

 

[maxfly]

This thread hasn't been a discussion since the first successful off topic posts, 6 pages ago. Like every thread that starts with... ANYTHING Intel, AMD or Nvidia. Its immediately side tracked into a useless shitfest full of users doing their best to force feed their oh... so... generous opinions down the throats of anyone foolish enough to stumble upon the thread.

You can predict the outcome of these types of threads with incredible accuracy, simply by reading the title.

 

[dgianstefani]

It runs at 82 °C at a 90 W full load. I agree, it's bad. But as long as the game performance is there, and it runs at 60 °C in games, I don't care. This is the compromise I accept. With the 14900KS, you accept other compromises.

So why argue?

This is what I mean.

My point is that there is no such CPU that's objectively better than another. In recent years, there have been lots of different options, all of which are good for the appropriate use case.

We're not talking about "objectively better", we're talking about "the fastest CPU". Across a weighted average of tests, the 14900KS is the fastest. What about this is hard to understand?

 

[AusWolf]

So why argue?

Argue what? That the 14900KS isn't the fastest CPU in every single real or imaginable scenario? Because it's not, just like nothing else is. Simple.

 

[dgianstefani]

Argue what? That the 14900KS isn't the fastest CPU in every single real or imaginable scenario? Because it's not, just like nothing else is. Simple.

I'm realising this is absolutely pointless dialogue, you're not here to discuss, you're here to shout your opinion (that doesn't change) and bring the 7800X3D into every cherry picked scenario where it's "faster", i.e. low resolution single player games with an RTX 4090.

Have a nice day. I won't block you, but consider this "discussion" over.

 

[AusWolf]

We're not talking about "objectively better", we're talking about "the fastest CPU". Across a weighted average of tests, the 14900KS is the fastest. What about this is hard to understand?

There's no such thing as "weighted average". The claim "the fastest CPU" means it is the fastest in every scenario, which is not true. Nobody plays a weighted average of games, or uses a weighted average of productivity apps.

I'm realising this is absolutely pointless dialogue, you're not here to discuss, you're here to shout your opinion (that doesn't change) and bring the 7800X3D into every cherry picked scenario where it's "faster", i.e. low resolution single player games with an RTX 4090.

That is your imagination only. I'm here to discuss why such a hype as "the fastest thing ever" is inaccurate unless you achieve that title in every scenario. I also disagree that the 7800X3D is the fastest gaming CPU ever. It's not. The extra cache doesn't always help, and sometimes, you're hindered by the lack of clock speed. Everything is a compromise - that is my whole point.

 

[kapone32]

Basically a cope, they have to justify their purchases.

Tell the truth it is in your constant defence of the title of this thread. I don't need to justify anything. The fact remains that the best thing the 14900KS at is power draw.

So why argue?

This is what I mean.


We're not talking about "objectively better", we're talking about "the fastest CPU". Across a weighted average of tests, the 14900KS is the fastest. What about this is hard to understand?

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Are you sure about number 15.

 

[dgianstefani]

Are you sure about number 15.

We're not talking about "objectively better", we're talking about "the fastest CPU". Across a weighted average of tests, the 14900KS is the fastest. What about this is hard to understand?

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[Jacky_BEL]

Don't you all get it by now?
AMD CPU's run hot by design , so they can be cooled by a good tower aircooler.

The CPU in this topic has to be delidded and be watercooled for it to work at its full potential.

I will never bother to go through these lengths for a PC build. Just as I am not into car tuning. For me both are too costly and impractical.
I just let the pistonheads and waterloopheads do their thing.

 

[Solaris17]

but has anybody of you bought 14900KS yet?

yeah it will be here tuesday. Someone modded the bios at OCN to include APO on the z690 dark so I flashed it. I plan on going back to HEDT at the end of the year so this is the last big bang in consumer space for me. I figured I could look at charts and spread sheets and heat output and just be terrified of CPU failure or argue semantics about performance numbers across architecturers that cant be compared.

But then I realized I didnt give a shit,

13900KS Delid

I wasn't happy with my 13900K temps and bought a delid kit w/ IHS copper upgrade. However knowing the KS was going to come out I figured I would just wait and held onto it. My 13900KS came in today, and as this was going to be a CPU swap I decided that instead of installing it twice, we were...

www.techpowerup.com

Then I realized I didnt care what anyone here thought. So I decided to take the next step and ACTUALLY buy one.

 

[dgianstefani]

Don't you all get it by now?
AMD CPU's run hot by design , so they can be cooled by a good tower aircooler.

The CPU in this topic has to be delidded and be watercooled for it to work at its full potential.

I will never bother to go through these lengths for a PC build. Just as I am not into car tuning. For me both are too costly and impractical.
I just let the pistonheads and waterloopheads do their thing.

For full potential you can delid, sure. But it's not required. None of the TPU testing was on a delidded chip, just a standard AIO and standard air coolers.

yeah it will be here tuesday. Someone modded the bios at OCN to include APO on the z690 dark so I flashed it. I plan on going back to HEDT at the end of the year so this is the last big bang in consumer space for me. I figured I could look at charts and spread sheets and heat output and just be terrified of CPU failure or argue semantics about performance numbers across architecturers that cant be compared.

But then I realized I didnt give a shit,

13900KS Delid

I wasn't happy with my 13900K temps and bought a delid kit w/ IHS copper upgrade. However knowing the KS was going to come out I figured I would just wait and held onto it. My 13900KS came in today, and as this was going to be a CPU swap I decided that instead of installing it twice, we were...

www.techpowerup.com

Then I realized I didnt care what anyone here thought. So I decided to take the next step and ACTUALLY buy one.

Awesome! Let us know if APO works well, seems interesting tech but needs more than 14 games.

 

[kapone32]

For full potential you can delid, sure. But it's not required. None of the TPU testing was on a delidded chip, just a standard AIO and standard air coolers.


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Awesome! Let us know if APO works well, seems interesting tech but needs more than 14 games.

Just for some perspective this AIO is not $90

Arctic Liquid Freezer III 420 A-RGB AIO CPU Water Cooler, Black

Arctic Liquid Freezer III 420 A-RGB AIO CPU Water Cooler, Black

www.canadacomputers.com

Arctic Cooling Liquid Freezer III 420 Series Black AIO CPU Cooler w/ 3x ARCTIC P14 140mm PWM Fans, 60mm VRM Fan - Liquid AIO CPU Coolers - Memory Express Inc.

www.memoryexpress.com

Then the Air cooler is a Noctua DH-15 and that is one of the best designed Air coolers on the market. The Tr4 version was was as good as AIOs at cooling Threadripper chips.

To call those standard is disingenuous.

 

[Dr. Dro]

It is misleading because AMD's Ryzen Threadripper and EPYC are faster, much faster. And Intel's own Xeons are faster.

Ka-ching, baby! Unfortunately, while I do have a nice American Express and a Visa Infinite, I pay for their bills out of pocket

Only in pure MT software, i.e. enterprise software. In most software (including software that utilizes MT, but isn't perfectly parallelized (so, most software)), fewer, faster cores, with better memory support and lower latency (if you can call 24 cores "few"), are still faster. There's also the price difference, ~$750 vs $10k is no comparison.

The statement "the fastest processor ever" is accurate. Sure, there's exceptions, but in >90% of tasks, this CPU either is out of the box, or has the potential to be with some minor settings, the fastest.

If I was building a new PC for myself, I'd build with this. The thing is, I built my PC four years ago, moved to AM5 one year ago, and it's not worth changing my entire platform for the KS.

Agreed, and i'm still quite dumbfounded that the reliability of the CPU's being brought into question, from personal experience. I'm quite strict with my PC's stability, and it hasn't given me any reason to complain thus far.

 

[dgianstefani]

Just for some perspective this AIO is not $90

Arctic Liquid Freezer III 420 A-RGB AIO CPU Water Cooler, Black

Arctic Liquid Freezer III 420 A-RGB AIO CPU Water Cooler, Black

www.canadacomputers.com

Arctic Cooling Liquid Freezer III 420 Series Black AIO CPU Cooler w/ 3x ARCTIC P14 140mm PWM Fans, 60mm VRM Fan - Liquid AIO CPU Coolers - Memory Express Inc.

www.memoryexpress.com

Then the Air cooler is a Noctua DH-15 and that is one of the best designed Air coolers on the market. The Tr4 version was was as good as AIOs at cooling Threadripper chips.

To call those standard is disingenuous.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bVMTwP/arctic-liquid-freezer-ii-420-728-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-acfre00092a

Noone means Canadian dollars when using $.

The air cooler is NH-D15 and U14S, which are $80 and $110. U14S is used, with extra tests for the D15 included for comparison sake. The $90 liquid cooler is used for performance testing, as that is appropriate cooling for this tier of CPU.

Per the article:

For the new Intel CPUs we've increased the temperature limit in BIOS from 100°C to 115°C, to get a better feel for temperatures without thermal throttle getting in the way. We also did a round of testing with the Noctua D15 to get a feel for temps with a more powerful cooler (indicated by "D15" in the charts).

Temperature testing on this page uses air-cooling, for consistency and to show comparable results. All performance testing on the other pages is done using a liquid cooling solution that keeps the temperatures well below 100°C, to ensure there is no thermal throttling.

I'd appreciate if you checked the actual numbers before trying to correct me or claim I'm being "disingenuous". Thanks.

 

[kapone32]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bVMTwP/arctic-liquid-freezer-ii-420-728-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-acfre00092a

Noone means Canadian dollars when using $.

The air cooler is NH-D15 and U14S, which are $80 and $110. U14S is used, with extra tests for the D15 included for comparison sake. The $90 liquid cooler is used for performance testing, as that is appropriate cooling for this tier of CPU.
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Per the article:


I'd appreciate if you checked the actual numbers before trying to correct me or claim I'm being "disingenuous". Thanks.


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You are still using arguably the best AIO and Air cooler on the market. To call that standard is wrong. You see I pay less for that in Canada for the Peerless Assassin and the Aqua series from Thermalright are great AIOs. It still comes back to when the review was done arguably the best of each example was used. Was that a decision that was just because?

 

[dgianstefani]

You are still using arguably the best AIO and Air cooler on the market. To call that standard is wrong. You see I pay less for that in Canada for the Peerless Assassin and the Aqua series from Thermalright are great AIOs. It still comes back to when the review was done arguably the best of each example was used. Was that a decision that was just because?

Ah yes, two popular air coolers and a cheap AIO are "the best on the market". Another shifting of goalposts I see once your original claims regarding price and "disingenuous" are refuted. By the way the NH-D15 is a cooler that has been around for quite a while and is shortly going to be replaced by the NH-D16 which has been in development for some time now.

What's your original point?

Are you trying to imply that the 14900KS can't be cooled by a "standard" cooler? Air or otherwise? This is false.

 

[freeagent]

Honestly, the people this thread was designed for, were people who do not care what AMD is doing. There are people out there who will only buy Intel, just like there are people who will only buy AMD. And then there are people who will buy both, because no pledge of allegiance was given to anyone.

 

[Super Firm Tofu]

yeah it will be here tuesday. Someone modded the bios at OCN to include APO on the z690 dark so I flashed it. I plan on going back to HEDT at the end of the year so this is the last big bang in consumer space for me. I figured I could look at charts and spread sheets and heat output and just be terrified of CPU failure or argue semantics about performance numbers across architecturers that cant be compared.

But then I realized I didnt give a shit,

13900KS Delid

I wasn't happy with my 13900K temps and bought a delid kit w/ IHS copper upgrade. However knowing the KS was going to come out I figured I would just wait and held onto it. My 13900KS came in today, and as this was going to be a CPU swap I decided that instead of installing it twice, we were...

www.techpowerup.com

Then I realized I didnt care what anyone here thought. So I decided to take the next step and ACTUALLY buy one.

Exactly.

Mine got here on Friday, the Apex Encore should be here today, the memory this week, and I still need to decide on an AIO.

I’ve been hanging around the thread to hopefully see some discussion around the 14900KS but it’s the same usuals doing what they do best.

 

[nguyen]

Honestly, the people this thread was designed for, were people who do not care what AMD is doing. There are people out there who will only buy Intel, just like there are people who will only buy AMD. And then there are people who will buy both, because no pledge of allegiance was given to anyone.

Well there are people who had hope Intel do better than these 14th gen chips, because the 12th and 13th were alot more competitive

 

[BoggledBeagle]

Are you trying to imply that the 14900KS can't be cooled by a "standard" cooler? Air or otherwise? This is false.

I tested DeepCool Assassin IV cooler and it can cool 253W no problem, its maximal cooling power is around 300W (without the optional third fan attached).

 

[dgianstefani]

I tested DeepCool Assassin IV cooler and it can cool 253W no problem, its maximal cooling power is around 300W.

Yep, hence the use of an AIO ($90 is absolute standard pricing for these things, actually on the cheap side) to demonstrate performance that requires more than 300 W. It's good to have options.

The reason why the 14900KS tested "hot" in TPU testing is because we used a upper mid range air cooler, so the limit was the cooling capacity not the chip.

Mentioned this six pages ago.

I don't think it's unfair to say that the target audience of a CPU of this tier would be using liquid cooling, AIO or otherwise. In fact AMD recommend the same thing for their 7950X etc.

 

[freeagent]

Well there are people who had hope Intel do better than these 14th gen chips, because the 12th and 13th were alot more competitive

I mean, I do not know much about what Intel is doing. But I did hear something about lower TDP next round, maybe? Something something.. They can do it.. at some point

 

[dgianstefani]

I mean, I do not know much about what Intel is doing. But I did hear something about lower TDP next round, maybe? Something something.. They can do it.. at some point

Next gen is Foveros (advanced tiles with backside power delivery and disaggregated nodes).
That combined with RibbonFET (gate all around transistors) should lead to a significant jump in performance per watt, while also avoiding the high idle/low load power draw Zen chips are known for, due to their simple chiplet design with an IO die built on an old process. The Intel design has a single "E core" within the "IO die" equivalent too, so that should enable even lower idle than what Intel currently has, since the main CPU die won't need to be even powered on for idle, or things like video decoding (if you're only watching something on YouTube or from a file, the main CPU die can be powered off).

Apparently Zen 6 is going to move to a better organic/silicon substrate (similar to Intel's own packaging tech with Foveros), which should be one of the options available from TSMC. I do wonder if that will still be on AM5 though.

Here's the current round up from the TPU upcoming hardware article.

 

[ThrashZone]

Honestly, the people this thread was designed for, were people who do not care what AMD is doing. There are people out there who will only buy Intel, just like there are people who will only buy AMD. And then there are people who will buy both, because no pledge of allegiance was given to anyone.

Hi,
By design these threads intel or amd or nvidia are who's the best buzz threads the only winner is the forums that host them hehe