Been away from PC gaming, a bit lost...

[DiogoCDS19]

Hello,


I've stopped playing games on PC around 3 years ago.

Did a bit of research and after looking into CPUs and graphic cards I feel lost and confused

This build will be mainly for gaming at 1440p, hopefully at stable 60fps.

I never liked AMD as far as cpu goes (sorry) even thought I've seen that for less money it can beat expensive intel cpus.

Always enjoyed the white color cases / builds and thought that this was the time for it.

First I picked a case that I liked with some nice features and not bad airflow.

Then I just tried to get everything else together.

I picked a K cpu with a B motherboard and I know I won't be able to overlock it with this motherboard, not sure If I would be ok with the regular i5-14600 instead.

But do I really need to overlock it with those speeds out of the box ?

I've also picked Micro-ATX board just to make things look less crowded, obviously I looked at the MB features and specs but also picked based on how it looks, also WiFI would be a must.

I might be able to get better and cheaper RAM, but I do like how these ones looks.



E-ATX MSI MPG GUNGNIR 300R AIRFLOW WHITE 179,00 €

Asus ROG Strix B760-G Gaming WiFi D4 208,90 €

Intel Core i5 14600K 326,90 €

Asus GeForce® RTX 4070 SUPER Dual White 12GB GDDR6X DLSS3 727,90 €

Corsair Kit 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR5 6000MHz Vengeance RGB White CL36 139,90 €

SSD MSI SPATIUM M480 PRO 1TB Gen4 M.2 NVMe 101,90 €

Corsair RMx Series RM1000e 1000W 80 Plus Gold ATX3.0 180,90 €

Corsair iCUE H150i ELITE CAPELLIX XT 360mm White 258,90 €



This sums ~2160€

My max will be 2200€.

What do you think ? Something I could change ? All advice welcome.

Thank you.

 

[Solaris17]

I've stopped playing games on PC around 3 years ago.

Did a bit of research and after looking into CPUs and graphic cards I feel lost and confused

good news, the eco system is still the same and nothing great has really happened.

As for building a system; "something always around the corner" syndrome aside, both AMD and Intel are about to launch new things.

However; with that over with. I would go with AMD at this time. Get a 7 series cpu and a newer board and then upgrade if you feel you need too when the new chips come out.

If you really are that averse to AMD then the system you put together should be totally serviceable. Though if your expecting anything out of 760 chipsets or overclocking out of a micro atx board....mmmmm I hope you arent expecting much.

 

[dragontamer5788]

good news, the eco system is still the same and nothing great has really happened.

GPUs did drop from like $2300 to $1000 though.

Still bad but way better than 3 years ago.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

I agree with @Solaris17 better go for AMD and for that amount of money you can easily get 7800X3D CPU which as atm arguably fastest and best bang for a $ CPU for gaming .......

 

[dragontamer5788]

I never liked AMD as far as cpu goes (sorry) even thought I've seen that for less money it can beat expensive intel cpus.

IIRC, the best chip period for video games is the Ryzen x3d-cache chips. (Ex: Ryzen 7800x3d)

AMD's decision for huge amounts of on-package L3 cache is the most important factor for most video games. There's slight problems with overclocking IIRC because the cache is making the top a bit less consistent. But overclocking is kind of dying as a hobby (now that turbo clocks are so aggressive but reliable today).

 

[Ruru]

RX 7900 GRE is cheaper and little faster than 4070 Super. Also it has 4GB more VRAM. Not getting a better CPU because it's AMD is stupid, I hate Nvidia yet I still got an used RTX 3080 myself.

IIRC, the best chip period for video games is the Ryzen x3d-cache chips. (Ex: Ryzen 7800x3d)

AMD's decision for huge amounts of on-package L3 cache is the most important factor for most video games. There's slight problems with overclocking IIRC because the cache is making the top a bit less consistent. But overclocking is kind of dying as a hobby (now that turbo clocks are so aggressive but reliable today).

Yep, X3D chips are the kings what it comes to gaming. Intel's heaters need those ~6GHz boost clocks to be able to compete.

 

[Urbklr]

Didn't see anyone else mention this but the motherboard you picked is a DDR4 board. Try to watch which memory your board choice supports as there are still DDR4 boards on the Intel side.

 

[64K]

I won't try to convince you to go with an AMD CPU but I would encourage you to read up on the gaming performance of the 7800X3D with an open mind. I've been using nothing but Intel CPUs for the last 17 years of my gaming builds but I'm going AMD CPU on this years build.

Another consideration is the PSU you chose. The CPU you chose doesn't draw a lot of power and the 4070 Super, although not frugal, doesn't make a big demand on watts. I think a little over 200 watts average in gaming with spikes around 250 watts. You could easily downsize that PSU to a quality 850 watt and use the saved money elsewhere unless an upgrade to a much more power hungry GPU is a possibility in the lifetime of this build.

One other thing a 1 TB storage solution is very small these days. With some games requiring up to 250 GB storage you're not going to be able to keep many in storage if that is a consideration.

 

[JIWIL]

Reallocate 200 € from AIO to a better GPU. Air is in a golden age of cheap, performant cooling. Pretty sure a 14600k will be just as fast in gaming with a ~150w limit on it.

Or do what everyone else says and get the 7800x3d which is even faster at half that power draw.

 

[kapone32]

Reallocate 200 € from AIO to a better GPU. Air is in a golden age of cheap, performant cooling. Pretty sure a 14600k will be just as fast in gaming with a ~150w limit on it.

Or do what everyone else says and get the 7800x3d which is even faster at half that power draw.

Yep I was thinking the same thing. Thermalright is by far the best price/performance brand for Air and AIOs. The Aqua Elite could compete with the OP's AIO for about $40-60 US on Amazon. The AIO pump runs at 3300 RPM and that is much faster than most AIOs. It also comes with the fans preinstalled so you just literally screw in the head and the rad and that is it.

 

[Why_Me]

Replace the 140mm exhaust fan that's included with this case with the 140mm ARGB fan down below for the full effect.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *Intel Core i5-13600KF 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor (€283.51 @ PC Componentes)
CPU Cooler: *Deepcool LS720 SE WH 85.85 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (€106.90 @ Switch Technology)
Motherboard: *Asus PRIME Z790-A WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (€259.21 @ PC Componentes)
Memory: *TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory (€136.50 @ Switch Technology)
Storage: *TEAMGROUP MP44L 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (€149.90 @ Switch Technology)
Video Card: *Zotac GAMING Trinity OC GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16 GB Video Card (€938.90 @ Globaldata)
Case: *Lian Li LANCOOL 216 ATX Mid Tower Case (€107.86 @ PC Componentes)
Power Supply: *MSI MAG A850GL PCIE5 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€127.90 @ Switch Technology)
Case Fan: *Lian Li UNI FAN SL V2 77.6 CFM 140 mm Fan (€27.90 @ Império Multimédia)
Total: €2138.58
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-05-22 08:05 WEST+0100

A better look at those components.

https://www.asus.com/us/motherboards-components/motherboards/prime/prime-z790-a-wifi/

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Intel® Core™ i5-13600KF Processor (24M Cache, up to 5.10 GHz) quick reference with specifications, features, and technologies.

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LS720 SE WH - DeepCool

The DeepCool LS720 SE WH is an all-in-one liquid CPU cooler that provides reliable high-performance cooling built on a new water pump design for optimal results. Color coordinate to the rest of your system with a big and bright ARGB infinity mirror cover on the CPU water block and included ARGB...

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https://www.techpowerup.com/review/deepcool-ls720-aio-360-liquid-cpu-cooler/

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https://www.msi.com/Power-Supply/MAG-A850GL-PCIE5-WHITE

https://lian-li.com/product/lancool-216/

 

[iameatingjam]

Not bad. I understand not wanting to leave intel. I was the same way when I bought this motherboard.

At the time though 7800x3d had just come out, was expensive and I didn't really fully grasp how much of a benefit it is for gaming. And then the stability issues with intel happened, and threw one of my last good arguments for sticking with intel out the window. Unless something drastic happens, like arrow lake knocking it out of the park, I think its going to be AMD next time.

14600k is a fine cpu though, and with that you probably don't have to worry so much about stability problems as with the i9, its a good choice for mixed workloads, but if its just for gaming, I do think the 7800x3d is the best choice.

If you do end up sticking with intel, you could check and see if a 13600k/13600kf/14600kf is significantly cheaper in your area if you wanted to shave off a little cost, they are all pretty much the same cpu. I find in my area I usually save $50 getting the kf and thats worth it to me. Yet don't always assume 13th gen is cheaper. When I checked my local prices they were the same, and the 14700kf came with a game.. which I forgot to redeem XD

Anyway, the 4070 Super is a good value. You don't really need better than that if you just want 1440p 60 fps. Good choice.

The psu seems a little overkill, which is fine and does give you room for upgrading later. But honestly even a 600w would be enough for that. I had the exact same combo, 13600kf and 4070 super running fine on 600w at one point, but 700w+ would probably be better. Anyway just an fyi.

EDIT: Just remembered that was actually a 4070, not a 4070 super, sorry.

And the cooling system is fine, but also overkill. I have a 240mm aio that cost me under $100 and thats enough for a 14700kf. You could even go with air and save even more.

Also you sure 1TB is enough for you? After formatting, and windows, that doesn't leave a whole lotta space for games.

Anyway, good luck.

 

[DiogoCDS19]

Thank you everyone for all the input.

I will sure check the 7800X3D before making a decision, would be my first AMD build

RX 7900 GRE is cheaper and little faster than 4070 Super. Also it has 4GB more VRAM. Not getting a better CPU because it's AMD is stupid, I hate Nvidia yet I still got an used RTX 3080 myself.


Yep, X3D chips are the kings what it comes to gaming. Intel's heaters need those ~6GHz boost clocks to be able to compete.

And yeh about not wanting AMD is just stupidity in my head nothing else, back in the days Intel was always "better" or pretended to be so it kind got carved in my mind.

Didn't see anyone else mention this but the motherboard you picked is a DDR4 board. Try to watch which memory your board choice supports as there are still DDR4 boards on the Intel side.

My bad, I could swear it was DDR4 but now that makes sense the D4 at the end. most likely wasn't looking at the right one. Thank you

Replace the 140mm exhaust fan that's included with this case with the 140mm ARGB fan down below for the full effect.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *Intel Core i5-13600KF 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor (€283.51 @ PC Componentes)
CPU Cooler: *Deepcool LS720 SE WH 85.85 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (€106.90 @ Switch Technology)
Motherboard: *Asus PRIME Z790-A WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (€259.21 @ PC Componentes)
Memory: *TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory (€136.50 @ Switch Technology)
Storage: *TEAMGROUP MP44L 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (€149.90 @ Switch Technology)
Video Card: *Zotac GAMING Trinity OC GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16 GB Video Card (€938.90 @ Globaldata)
Case: *Lian Li LANCOOL 216 ATX Mid Tower Case (€107.86 @ PC Componentes)
Power Supply: *MSI MAG A850GL PCIE5 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€127.90 @ Switch Technology)
Case Fan: *Lian Li UNI FAN SL V2 77.6 CFM 140 mm Fan (€27.90 @ Império Multimédia)
Total: €2138.58
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-05-22 08:05 WEST+0100

A better look at those components.

https://www.asus.com/us/motherboards-components/motherboards/prime/prime-z790-a-wifi/

Intel® Core™ i5-13600KF Processor (24M Cache, up to 5.10 GHz) - Product Specifications | Intel

Intel® Core™ i5-13600KF Processor (24M Cache, up to 5.10 GHz) quick reference with specifications, features, and technologies.

www.intel.com

LS720 SE WH - DeepCool

The DeepCool LS720 SE WH is an all-in-one liquid CPU cooler that provides reliable high-performance cooling built on a new water pump design for optimal results. Color coordinate to the rest of your system with a big and bright ARGB infinity mirror cover on the CPU water block and included ARGB...

www.deepcool.com

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/deepcool-ls720-aio-360-liquid-cpu-cooler/

Team Group MP44L 1 TB Review

The TeamGroup MP44L is a value-oriented M.2 NVMe SSD that comes at a super attractive price point of just $43 for the 1 TB version. Thanks to its TLC-based design, performance is much better than the various QLC drives out there. Our review confirms that the MP44L can even beat the Samsung 980.

www.techpowerup.com

https://www.msi.com/Power-Supply/MAG-A850GL-PCIE5-WHITE

https://lian-li.com/product/lancool-216/

Once again I will look into everything and see what I decide and explore my options.

I might reply later.

 

[kapone32]

Thank you everyone for all the input.

I will sure check the 7800X3D before making a decision, would be my first AMD build



And yeh about not wanting AMD is just stupidity in my head nothing else, back in the days Intel was always "better" or pretended to be so it kind got carved in my mind.


My bad, I could swear it was DDR4 but now that makes sense the D4 at the end. most likely wasn't looking at the right one. Thank you



Once again I will look into everything and see what I decide and explore my options.

I might reply later.

I will add one thing for longevity. If you buy a 7800X3D, you will not need to buy a new MB if the next generation of CPUs (weeks to months away) are compelling enough to inspire an upgrade. Like the next single CCD chip being a 12 core monster. Or perhaps even what comes in 2025. With AMD you just don't worry.

 

[dgianstefani]

Hello,


I've stopped playing games on PC around 3 years ago.

Did a bit of research and after looking into CPUs and graphic cards I feel lost and confused

This build will be mainly for gaming at 1440p, hopefully at stable 60fps.

I never liked AMD as far as cpu goes (sorry) even thought I've seen that for less money it can beat expensive intel cpus.

Always enjoyed the white color cases / builds and thought that this was the time for it.

First I picked a case that I liked with some nice features and not bad airflow.

Then I just tried to get everything else together.

I picked a K cpu with a B motherboard and I know I won't be able to overlock it with this motherboard, not sure If I would be ok with the regular i5-14600 instead.

But do I really need to overlock it with those speeds out of the box ?

I've also picked Micro-ATX board just to make things look less crowded, obviously I looked at the MB features and specs but also picked based on how it looks, also WiFI would be a must.

I might be able to get better and cheaper RAM, but I do like how these ones looks.



E-ATX MSI MPG GUNGNIR 300R AIRFLOW WHITE 179,00 €

Asus ROG Strix B760-G Gaming WiFi D4 208,90 €

Intel Core i5 14600K 326,90 €

Asus GeForce® RTX 4070 SUPER Dual White 12GB GDDR6X DLSS3 727,90 €

Corsair Kit 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR5 6000MHz Vengeance RGB White CL36 139,90 €

SSD MSI SPATIUM M480 PRO 1TB Gen4 M.2 NVMe 101,90 €

Corsair RMx Series RM1000e 1000W 80 Plus Gold ATX3.0 180,90 €

Corsair iCUE H150i ELITE CAPELLIX XT 360mm White 258,90 €



This sums ~2160€

My max will be 2200€.

What do you think ? Something I could change ? All advice welcome.

Thank you.

Here, I fixed your build.

8+12 CPU instead of 6+8
Reliable and performant cooler rather than throwing away 258,90 € on an AIO that doesn't even perform that well and is noisy.
Z790 motherboard (good RAM support)
Much faster RAM that the Intel platform can actually make use of, unlike AMD which has to switch gears and incur a latency penalty.
Double the storage and a better reviewed drive.
A much more powerful GPU, almost a 4080.
A native 12V-2x6 PCIE 5.0 PSU.
A better case.

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product...-30-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-ssdpek1a118ga01 I would grab one of these for your C: Windows install for speed/reliability, and put all your games on the 2 TB D: drive.

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pt.pcpartpicker.com/list/Gqjvyg

CPU: Intel Core i7-14700K 3.4 GHz 20-Core Processor (€454.90 @ Globaldata)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12A 60.09 CFM CPU Cooler (€119.90 @ PCDIGA)
Motherboard: ASRock Z790 PG LIGHTNING ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (€179.90 @ Switch Technology)
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-7200 CL34 Memory (€205.22 @ PC Componentes)
Storage: Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (€146.90 @ Império Multimédia)
Video Card: Zotac GAMING Trinity GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16 GB Video Card (€863.04 @ PC Componentes)
Case: Fractal Design Torrent Compact ATX Mid Tower Case (€119.90 @ PCDIGA)
Power Supply: MSI MAG A750GL PCIE5 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€116.50 @ Switch Technology)
Total: €2206.26
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-05-22 13:17 WEST+0100

Both CPU/GPU are about 15% faster than your initial choices.

But you also have other nice to haves, like 16 GB VRAM, and 20 cores vs 14.

If you must have a white CPU cooler, https://pt.pcpartpicker.com/product/gvGbt6/deepcool-ak620-6899-cfm-cpu-cooler-ak620-wh this is reasonable. Or you can buy a Chromax kit for the Noctua and make it white.

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Zotac GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Super Trinity Review

Priced at the NVIDIA MSRP of $800, the Zotac GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Super Trinity still manages to provide an effective triple-slot, triple-fan cooling solution, featuring a fan profile that ensures quiet operation. The card operates at the NVIDIA baseline clock speed of 2610 MHz.

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https://www.techpowerup.com/review/wd-black-sn770-1-tb/ - 1 TB version, 2 TB is faster.

Fractal Design Torrent Compact RGB TG Light Tint Review

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[kapone32]

Here, I fixed your build.

8+12 CPU instead of 6+8
Reliable and performant cooler rather than throwing away 258,90 € on an AIO that doesn't even perform that well and is noisy.
Z790 motherboard (good RAM support)
Much faster RAM that the Intel platform can actually make use of, unlike AMD which has to switch gears and incur a latency penalty.
Double the storage and a better reviewed drive.
A much more powerful GPU, almost a 4080.
A native 12V-2x6 PCIE 5.0 PSU.
A better case.

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pt.pcpartpicker.com/list/Gqjvyg

CPU: Intel Core i7-14700K 3.4 GHz 20-Core Processor (€454.90 @ Globaldata)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12A 60.09 CFM CPU Cooler (€119.90 @ PCDIGA)
Motherboard: ASRock Z790 PG LIGHTNING ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (€179.90 @ Switch Technology)
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-7200 CL34 Memory (€205.22 @ PC Componentes)
Storage: Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (€146.90 @ Império Multimédia)
Video Card: Zotac GAMING Trinity GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16 GB Video Card (€863.04 @ PC Componentes)
Case: Fractal Design Torrent Compact ATX Mid Tower Case (€119.90 @ PCDIGA)
Power Supply: MSI MAG A750GL PCIE5 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€116.50 @ Switch Technology)
Total: €2206.26
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-05-22 13:17 WEST+0100

There is already a thread about Z890 boards coming. Right now (for me) would not be a time to recommend Intel 14th gen chips.

 

[dgianstefani]

A 7800X3D build would be OK, but you are going from 20 to 8 cores, and RAM speed is pretty much capped at 6200 MT (if you're lucky). Otherwise comparable for gaming, but slower in applications.

Next gen chips are around the corner, but that's always the case.

For a 60 FPS target, you want as much GPU power as possible so you can run at Ultra settings with RT. This pretty much excludes AMD GPUs, which are optimized for raster performance but take a massive hit when RT is enabled. CPU isn't really important for 60 FPS gaming, any modern chip will do fine and will be running nowhere near max load to sustain that frame rate.

I.e. RT/PT on, DLAA on etc.

RTX 5080/5090 are likely to be the only chips launching this year that would be a significant upgrade over a 4070 Ti Super, and both of those will be outside of OP's budget too.

 

[DiogoCDS19]

I knew this would happen, I have to gather all the info and compare stuff to make up my mind, the typical AMD and Intel battle
I will keep you posted.
Thanks

 

[kapone32]

I knew this would happen, I have to gather all the info and compare stuff to make up my mind, the typical AMD and Intel battle
I will keep you posted.
Thanks

Considering that both of us have AM5 should give you an idea of what is going on.

 

[Ruru]

I knew this would happen, I have to gather all the info and compare stuff to make up my mind, the typical AMD and Intel battle
I will keep you posted.
Thanks

At least the current LGA1700 will be a dead platform so it's way easier to recommend AMD for future upgrades

Still kickin' with AM4 myself and I don't even have the platform's best processor, got a 5800X as it offered good value

 

[evernessince]

E-ATX MSI MPG GUNGNIR 300R AIRFLOW WHITE 179,00 €

Asus ROG Strix B760-G Gaming WiFi D4 208,90 €

Intel Core i5 14600K 326,90 €

Asus GeForce® RTX 4070 SUPER Dual White 12GB GDDR6X DLSS3 727,90 €

Corsair Kit 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR5 6000MHz Vengeance RGB White CL36 139,90 €

SSD MSI SPATIUM M480 PRO 1TB Gen4 M.2 NVMe 101,90 €

Corsair RMx Series RM1000e 1000W 80 Plus Gold ATX3.0 180,90 €

Corsair iCUE H150i ELITE CAPELLIX XT 360mm White 258,90 €

What exactly is the use case of this PC? You have a clear budget in mind, is your goal to just buy the best parts that fit into that budget? It may be that your expectations are that you have to spend big to get good performance but it's possible that depending on your needs you may be able to spend less and still meet your expectations. What kind of performance target are you looking at and at what resolution?

Looking at the build itself, I can immediately point out that the H150i elite 360 is a complete ripoff. There are many better AIOs at much lower prices: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/endorfy-navis-f360-aio-liquid-cpu-cooler/9.html

Not listed in that link is the Arctic Freezer III 360 that comes with the same warranty as Corsair, only it performs better and is vastly cheaper.

I'd also definitely recommend for next gen stuff to drop. We are 1-2 months away from next gen AMD parts. If you must buy current gen (without knowing your performance requirements and just doing like everyone else here and assuming based off the parts) I'd definitely lean towards the 7800X3D over the 14600K. It's just a faster and more efficient CPU and the platform is guaranteed to have future upgrades. I'd only recommend the 14600K if have an intended use for all those extra cores, they are useless for typical consumer applications and gaming. The Intel platform is also dead, no more new generations of CPUs will be supported on that socket.

I picked a K cpu with a B motherboard and I know I won't be able to overlock it with this motherboard, not sure If I would be ok with the regular i5-14600 instead.

Overclocking is nearly irrelevant today. CPUs are already pushed to their limits out of the box, as evidenced by the stablity issues Intel 13th and 14th gen are experiencing forcing Intel to release a new power profile in the BIOS: https://www.anandtech.com/show/2137...ors-to-use-stock-power-settings-for-stability

Mind you Intel still hasn't come to a full resolution to the above issue. Their CPUs were benchmarked with the higher power profile and thus performance numbers with the Intel power profile will be lower (as hardware unboxed tested, up to 5 to 25% slower). The new power profile isn't the default either. That's not a fix for customers who bought and are buying Intel CPUs based on performance numbers of a power profile Intel now defines as out of spec. GN did a piece on this and the fact of the matter is Intel let board partners do whatever they wanted, they are only now retroactively defining the spec because they have legal liability as people's Intel CPUs are having stability issues.

A 7800X3D build would be OK, but you are going from 20 to 8 cores,

And nothing of value was lost. At the end of the day having those extra e-cores hurt gaming performance. Unless OP specifically states they are doing encoding or something akin to that, I don't see the point of recommending a CPU based on it's dead weight.

and RAM speed is pretty much capped at 6200 MT (if you're lucky). Otherwise comparable for gaming, but slower in applications.

Which is irrelevant because subtiming tuning exists which for most AMD motherboards is easy to do given it's a setting in the BIOS (or just copy buildzoid timings). AMD gains as much performance with decently tuned subtimings as Intel does with DDR5 7200. It's not a big performance jump for either.

Not that this topic is that relevant for OP, any advantages to faster or tuned memory beyond what the OP has selected are going to be minimal and just unnecessarily complicate the picture for someone trying to get their feet planted into PC gaming. 3-5% in a best case scenario turns into 0-3% with a 4070 and nearly irrelevant, icinng on the cake if the OP eventually wants to.

 

[#22]

There is still worth considering choice between going AM5 or 1700. It's expectations of CPU longevity, potentially determined by finances. If somebody is likely to sit on chosen CPU for longer, like around five years, I would definitely go similarly priced 13700 or 14700 instead 7800X3D. Reason are games demanding more and more multicore performance and short here 7800X3D will age like milk in this regard. When OP being fine with only 60 fps increases time any CPU would give him satisfying performance. Today it will be few exceptions of games dropping below 60 fps on five years old, fast CPUs like 9900K. Option to upgrade platform with some future chip in not sensible point against for few reasons, but already said one finishing such discussions are longevity expectations.

 

[Tropick]

I knew this would happen, I have to gather all the info and compare stuff to make up my mind, the typical AMD and Intel battle
I will keep you posted.
Thanks

Similar story here but figured I'd throw my two cents in as well. Used to only go with Intel, Q6600 was my first real gaming CPU and then upgraded to a 4790K when the Haswell refresh happened. Clowned on AMD all throughout the FX days (deservedly so) but when it came time for an upgrade I took a chance on AM4 because of the excellent price and positive reviews of Zen 3. Initially bought a 5600X and was very happy with it, but I have since upgraded to a 5800X3D and holy smokes it does not disappoint. Very reasonable power consumption and the gaming performance is stellar. AMD really came out swinging in the gaming space with the X3D chips. AM5/7800X3D would be an excellent choice for gaming and would provide a solid upgrade path to the Zen 5 X3D gaming chips. That being said the Intel chips aren't "bad" per se, you'll still get really good performance with a 14600K, but they run relatively hot and LGA1700 will no longer receive CPU releases.

If you want to go with Intel that's perfectly fine, but there's never been a better time to give AMD a shot. X3D really is something else.

 

[evernessince]

There is still worth considering choice between going AM5 or 1700. It's expectations of CPU longevity, potentially determined by finances. If somebody is likely to sit on chosen CPU for longer, like around five years, I would definitely go similarly priced 13700 or 14700 instead 7800X3D. Reason are games demanding more and more multicore performance and short here 7800X3D will age like milk in this regard. When OP being fine with only 60 fps increases time any CPU would give him satisfying performance. Today it will be few exceptions of games dropping below 60 fps on five years old, fast CPUs like 9900K. Option to upgrade platform with some future chip in not sensible point against for few reasons, but already said one finishing such discussions are longevity expectations.

You are making the assumption that future games benefit more from the extra cores over the extra cache. It's important to note that we are talking about e-cores to boot here, not regular cores.

I don't believe anyone here can make that call on which will be better in the future. It could very well be that future games want more cache and thus the 7800X3D pulls further ahead.

Mind you I wouldn't necessarily want a 13700 or 14700 in a future where games require more cores because they are very inefficient at higher loads. The best case scenario for the Intel CPUs has them dumping even more heat into your room than they do currently as compared to the 7800X3D which will still be efficiently sipping power. Worse case for the Intel CPUs they still consume more power and are slower.

If you want to look at history as a teacher look at the 5775C, Intel's last big cache CPU. That CPU aged very well and I'd expect the same for the X3D parts.

 

[dgianstefani]

Similar story here but figured I'd throw my two cents in as well. Used to only go with Intel, Q6600 was my first real gaming CPU and then upgraded to a 4790K when the Haswell refresh happened. Clowned on AMD all throughout the FX days (deservedly so) but when it came time for an upgrade I took a chance on AM4 because of the excellent price and positive reviews of Zen 3. Initially bought a 5600X and was very happy with it, but I have since upgraded to a 5800X3D and holy smokes it does not disappoint. Very reasonable power consumption and the gaming performance is stellar. AMD really came out swinging in the gaming space with the X3D chips. AM5/7800X3D would be an excellent choice for gaming and would provide a solid upgrade path to the Zen 5 X3D gaming chips. That being said the Intel chips aren't "bad" per se, you'll still get really good performance with a 14600K, but they run relatively hot and LGA1700 will no longer receive CPU releases.

If you want to go with Intel that's perfectly fine, but there's never been a better time to give AMD a shot. X3D really is something else.

Funnily enough, besides the X3D chips or the non X AMD chips (equivalent to non K Intel chips), most 14th gen Intel chips actually run cooler.

And nothing of value was lost. At the end of the day having those extra e-cores hurt gaming performance. Unless OP specifically states they are doing encoding or something akin to that, I don't see the point of recommending a CPU based on it's dead weight.

Which is irrelevant because subtiming tuning exists which for most AMD motherboards is easy to do given it's a setting in the BIOS (or just copy buildzoid timings). AMD gains as much performance with decently tuned subtimings as Intel does with DDR5 7200. It's not a big performance jump for either.

Not that this topic is that relevant for OP, any advantages to faster or tuned memory beyond what the OP has selected are going to be minimal and just unnecessarily complicate the picture for someone trying to get their feet planted into PC gaming. 3-5% in a best case scenario turns into 0-3% with a 4070 and nearly irrelevant, icinng on the cake if the OP eventually wants to.

You're making a lot of assumptions about what OP wants or what is relevant. How do you know he's "just trying to get his feet planted in gaming"? AFAIK he's taken a break for three years. Hardly means he's clueless.

Note, the build I suggested has a 4070 Ti Super, not a 4070, while being basically the same cost as OP's original build, which had a 4070S and an i5.

Also who is talking about tuning? This is set and forget XMP stuff. You only need to be messing around with tuning if you're targetting very high MT on Intel, e.g. 7800 or 8000 MT+. 7200 MT is as easy as enabling XMP on Z790 boards. You're welcome to say that ~10ns lower memory latency and almost double memory bandwidth (60/60/60 GB/s on AMD and around 110/110/110 GB/s on Intel for 6000 MT/7200 MT Zen 4 X3D/Raptor Lake) is meaningless, but that's just your opinion.

As someone who owns Zen 4 X3D, RAM subtiming tuning is one of the most time intensive tasks that exist.

In certain RAM reviews testing quick OC (set higher MT with stock timings/voltage), depending on the game and resolution, @ir_cow has seen 10-30% improvements in FPS, so it's not the simple 0-3% you'd like to throw around.