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The Official Thermal Interface Material thread

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Wouldn't the AI in AI Thermal Paste - CryoFuze 5 stand for Automated Income $$$$$$ for CoolerMaster ?

Just quessing here :roll: , as all marketing departments are jumping on the new hype train :banghead:.

What I red in the article of Jowi Morales, Coolermaster still uses Zinc oxides and Aluminium powder as solid (thus thermal conductive) components, with some added carbon (described as nano-diamond technology).
So compared to the other competitors in the market not really innovative or exceptional.

I would rather see that some company gets a breakthrough with developing a manufactering method of Graphene strings that would stand perpendicular on the surfaces as improvement of the exellent Kryosheet of Thermal Grizzly (they are stuck at a molucair structure stacked in Z-direction).
That would make paste in a lot of cases obsolete.
 
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Noci said:
Wouldn't the AI in AI Thermal Paste - CryoFuze 5 stand for Automated Income $$$$$$ for CoolerMaster ?

Just quessing here :roll: , as all marketing departments are jumping on the new hype train :banghead:.

What I red in the article of Jowi Morales, Coolermaster still uses Zinc oxides and Aluminium power as solid (thus thermal conductive) components, with some added carbon (described as nano-diamond technology).
So compared to the other competitors in the market not really innovative or exceptional.

I would rather see that some company gets a breakthrough with developing a manufactering method of Graphene strings that would stand perpendicular on the surfaces as improvement of the exellent Kryosheet of Thermal Grizzly (they are stuck at a molucair structure stacked in Z-direction).
That would make paste in a lot of cases obsolete.
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cuz coolermaster is eating said AI thermal paste!

and someone needs to try this as thermal paste!
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TPCEA said:
Personally, I feel that it is exceedingly hard to produce results that are equally valid for everyone because we're talking about computers and all the variables involved.
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While there is some truth to this, consistency in testing has value. For example, my TIM testing platform is a Dell T3500 with a Xeon W3680 soft-OCd to 4ghz with Throttlestop. I could use another setup/system but that strikes a good balance of power/heat/cooling. The validity of results comes from testing various TIMs in that same system under identical(or near identical) conditions.

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Still, I don't entirely trust TH's TIM (and some other) results, but I'm old, jaded and cynical.
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And that is one of the reasons I do my own testing. I want to see real world results first-hand. There's an old saying, if you want something done right, do it yourself.
 
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If you are running AMD, Thermalright and SYY are all you need to buy to attain world beating performance :D
 
lexluthermiester said:
TF7 & TF8? I'll go along with that. Either one of those are great! I'll defer to you on SYY as I've never tested that one.
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TF7 and 8 are pretty good! I kind of want to try out TF9.. but for me SYY is really hard to beat for the price, and for the amount that I go through..

Not that I have a problem with longevity, but committing to just one CPU and one cooler is pretty hard for me :D
 
remixedcat said:
cuz coolermaster is eating said AI thermal paste!

and someone needs to try this as thermal paste!
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Looks like it also has steroids in it so baby can be strong! ;) XD

lexluthermiester said:
While there is some truth to this, consistency in testing has value. For example, my TIM testing platform is a Dell T3500 with a Xeon W3680 soft-OCd to 4ghz with Throttlestop. I could use another setup/system but that strikes a good balance of power/heat/cooling. The validity of results comes from testing various TIMs in that same system under identical(or near identical) conditions.


And that is one of the reasons I do my own testing. I want to see real world results first-hand. There's an old saying, if you want something done right, do it yourself.
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Agreed on all points! :)
 
TG releasing a PTM pad? Here we go, people

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Thermal Grizzly Showcases WireView Pro, PhaseSheet PTM, X-10 and X-8 TIMs

Thermal Grizzly, known most for its high conductivity thermal compounds, showcased a trio of innovative products at Computex 2024, which are highly relevant. The first such innovation is the WireView Pro, a gadget that monitors power delivery to your graphics card, and puts out audible alarms...
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Got a pad of PTM7950 for the laptop (in sig, Dell 7490 i5 8350u), so far so good. Temperatures when playing Stardew Valley dropped pretty considerebly (from 80's to 60's). Right now the CPU temps is hovering at around 50C, something I don't think I've seen before, with a barely audible fan. Installation was ... not too fiddly, but the pad was much thinner than I thought it would be, so it's definitely not something I will recommend people to do on their own.

Hey look, 50C CPU temp! That is definitely unheard of.

Hey look again, 49C package temp. That's just weird. I forget who recommended it (@FreedomEclipse maybe?), but thanks. I still think MX4 and the likes are good to have for like general use, but I'm thinking real hard about buying a bigger sheet of this for the desktop...
 
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Hey look again, 49C package temp. That's just weird. I forget who recommended it (@FreedomEclipse maybe?), but thanks. I still think MX4 and the likes are good to have for like general use, but I'm thinking real hard about buying a bigger sheet of this for the desktop...
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I dont think I recommended it but it was more a suggestion from a different thread. Someone bought a secondhand laptop and I suggested using PTM7950 as a long term set and forget solution instead of having to repaste every year or two because pump out and other factors.

Did you also cover up the little die?

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I'm currently using and old tube coolermaster mastergel maker (first gen) and highest temps have been 80c although it quickly settles to around 75-77c. Although I cheat because I use a cooling pad that pushes cooler air at the bottom of my laptop
 
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PTM7950 is superb of course. In my last testing on my laptop it was a little better than the best pastes (Dowsil TC-5550, Kold-01), even though they can be close depending on the quality of application. For a real equivalent I think we need Dowsil TC-5960 which based on the specs is superior to the already great TC-5550.
 
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Did you also cover up the little die?
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Yep, the strip I bought was exactly the same width as the exposed part of the heat sink, so I just cut it at a proper width.
 
Frick said:
Yep, the strip I bought was exactly the same width as the exposed part of the heat sink, so I just cut it at a proper width.
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Very cool!

I think my i5-8250 is good for now with the mastergel but im going to pick up the Thermalright version of the PTM7950 called the 'Heilos' (which should be the same product) If or when the temps start creeping up. The original mastergel is a little thicker in consistency compared to MX-4 or the NT-H2 I have on hand so im hoping its more like SYY and wont suffer from pump out.

Its good to know that PTM makes a solid difference.
 
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ShrimpBrime said:
You and I have different ideas about diamond pastes lol.

There's absolutely no thermal paste that makes it that cold. You would even freeze acetone at that temperature.

If you value the laser etching, I get it. People delid these days. So maybe diamond paste isn't good for bare die, but I've never once had a problem.

Copper. Coolers. Lapped IHS plates.... When you clean the paste off with a towel, it shines the copper nicely like rubbing compound. It does take Lazer etching off, but nickel plating should be lapped off in my opinion. It's much worse than just saying I won't use this paste because scratches. Nickel conducts like shit. I've never seen lines like scratches, but maybe some diamond pastes have clumps of diamonds that could cause this effect. My take was when I wiped it off, it clumped in the towel and maybe left a visible line.

Not to take away from surface area. Scratches aren't horrible. I didn't have horrible results scuffing plates with 60 grit emery cloth. It seemed to work well with thicker pastes. IC diamond is thick. Difficult to work with cold. Becomes a little pliable when warmed up. Antec Formula 6 and 7 are very decent diamond pastes. I've always had good thermals, and not super thick. Worked fine both with lapped, scuffed and direct die cooling.

Been using diamond pastes about 15 years straight. I'm satisfied enough. Just like guys that stick with artic silver 5. To each their own :)
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Yeah, I'm a bit slow to respond but that's OK.

One of the reasons I don't use it is because I have alot of bare die chips that can't tolerate much scratching and those tend to have a small(er) surface area anyway because it's a bare die.
I prefer to keep my coolers and their contact surfaces in the best shape possible - That's just me and you are correct about "To each their own" and that's my own. :)

I believe it can make a diference because scratches will accumilate over time if the surface isn't maintained and if I don't have to, why deal with it in the first place?
Yeah - I'm getting lazy in my old(er) age but I believe I've earned the right to be by now. :D

Honestly I need to do a bit of work on my T-Rex so it stays in good shape, I do expect wear and tear from normal use to occur (Because it will) and that's the case here with it.

Again you are right about someone doing as they please, I just prefer not to subject it to what's not a necessity to.
To me it's not a matter of how much I can spend but more like how much can I keep in my pocket in the first place.

Speaking of pots:
Good coolers tend to be disposable vs a pot but pots these days are only getting more expensive as time passes with what also looks to be less availability for new ones of any real quality too. I've got what I've got and I'm keeping it in good shape if I can.

That much I can promise you. :cool:
 
I used IC7 Diamond on bare dies. Yes, it scratches and doesn't look pretty but thermally didn't seem to make much difference. Perhaps I made it worse by wiping it off, might have been better to spray something. Anyway with 4.5W/mK and up to 40 micron particle size the newer pastes with less than 20 micron BLT and higher conductivity should easily beat IC7 Diamond if BLT is kept to a minimum.
 
Currently waiting for a £5 Amazon voucher to arrive. If or when it does. I'll pick up the Thermalright Helios (rebranded PTM) and see how it goes
 
lexluthermiester said:
TF7 & TF8? I'll go along with that. Either one of those are great! I'll defer to you on SYY as I've never tested that one.
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I got some TF8 EX for a CPU and graphics waterblock swap - very impressed with it, on par with Kryonaut as far as temps go.

(With it being blue, I thought it might have been the OEM for the Kingpin KPX, but it doesn't spread as nicely; tends to break apart once it gets too thin.)
 
I've been trying to find a decent comparison video showing Liquid Metal vs PTM7950, anyone have infomation on that, or a video they know of showing performance and temperature metrics?

I own a Scar 18 and it has Liquid Metal (Conductonaut factory applied) that comes with it, I've pulled one apart before and it had hot spots, oxidised liquid metal that needed respreading. This sucks, I'd rather use a PTM7950 pad, but I don't know if I'll gain another 5-6*C and sometimes I get close to throttling.

Anyone have any data to share?
 
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I've been trying to find a decent comparison video showing Liquid Metal vs PTM7950, anyone have infomation on that, or a video they know of showing performance and temperature metrics?
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The Official Thermal Interface Material thread

I am looking for an end solution for my 7900 XTX air cooler as the hotspot temp has gotten worse. I have already been recommended PTM7950 in the past but I still want to push the card to its limits without it going beyond 95C. What does this have to do with not choosing PTM7950? It can handle...
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