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Would you pay more for hardware with AI capabilities?

Would you pay more for hardware with AI capabilities?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2,086 7.3%
  • No

    Votes: 24,247 84.3%
  • Don't know

    Votes: 2,413 8.4%

  • Total voters
    28,746
  • Poll closed .
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For 3D modeling it's nothing short of absolutely transformative.
I want to see something happen with spriting but it's probably not needed.
All of the VR shitposts that I've seen and contributed to during 2017-2022 has been pretty wild.
AI is just another brush for making them happen and in that way, I'm all for it.
I'm still really far behind on adopting this stuff. Have been sitting on stacks of this material for months.
 
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I want to see something happen with spriting but it's probably not needed.
All of the VR shitposts that I've seen and contributed to during 2017-2022 has been pretty wild.
AI is just another brush for making them happen and in that way, I'm all for it.
I'm still really far behind on adopting this stuff. Have been sitting on stacks of this material for months.

You'd have to elaborate a bit further on what you mean by sprinting how can ChatGPT sprint!? :rolleyes: I'm not really sure what you're alluding to on the matter of sprites in regard to ChatGPT. Like there is plenty it should be capable of doing with sprites depending on intent and usage. Like it should be able to rotate selected tiles randomly in 90, 180, and 270 intervals. Also you could essentially just make grayscale sprites I believe in theory if you intend to use the sprites in 3D for like textures. You could then just randomly colorize the grayscale sprite textures in the way you have in mind and it should work moderately well.

You could go some steps further too with then taking those results and joining some of them together into like 4, 9, 16, 25, 36, 49, 64, ect sprite tiles (planes in 3D) which you could then scale larger or smaller and do further randomization of those. That said if you join them they will all get colored the same and if you don't they won't and each tile will be colorized individually. The scaling of course is simply to make the relative pixelization appear smaller or larger in relative terms in essence. Like scale it smaller if you don't want them to look more like Valheim. You'd probably also want to eventually join them as mentioned.

I'm not sure how it work in other software, but I know Aseprite has some plugin support and supports LUA. I imagine ChatGPT can write LUA, C#, C++, and F-- or whatever other BASIC coding language you'd like it to.

Blender actually has some AI stable diffusion UV mapping texturing stuff it can do though right within it that I haven't tried out yet, but is just awesome from what I saw of it. I'm personally rather hype already about what I'm seeing with AI and it's just going to get better and that's quite exciting.

A individual being able to conceive and build what they imagine is fantastic. If you can dream it the AI will eventually be able to more or less build it or some loose interpretation of it. That's just super cool technology to me.

Blender 2.jpg


Did a little bit of tinkering got it so I can modify selected faces. I imagine I can tell the AI do this to selected faces and assign them random seamless textures too within a folder destination as well. Where that gets cool is you can like create sprite style seamless textures.

Which yeah that's rather dope. That's pretty much no small part of why I bought Aseprite recently. I figured it would be good in tandem with Blender. I really don't know if I'll even make much usage out of it, but it was nifty program $12's or so on sale.

I should revisit that circle depiction from earlier and do this with randomly selected faces and see how much more varied it looks. Also I'd like to combine that along with handful of different objects and kind of tossing them all into a Blender which ironically is a pun given the program in question, but that's not what I meant by that alright let's not take the the word blender out of context. I meant kind of puree it all together into a AI scripted 3D generative smoothie.

So anyway yeah it's neat the scripts it can write that you can then combine, mix, and utilize together do some pretty intricate stuff quickly and easily that would be much more time consuming and difficult to do manually. It would be fascinating with animated with the same selected tiles, but differently randomized colors of the same type or different color types as well. That would make for a rather cool glitch effect.

I know it's rather scattered, but just wanted to loosely demonstrate what's possible.
 
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I would pay more for less AI on my hardware. A pure raster 4090 without any AI segments taking up space would be my dream. Future Intel chips with 10 / 12 / 16 cores instead of AI blocks? Yes, please.
 
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I see this topic and the poll result has become a news story over on VideoCardz
Poll shows 84% of PC users unwilling to pay extra for AI-enhanced hardware
*Add obvious disclaimers regarding self-selection bias, of a specific group of English-speaking PC users sufficiently savvy to visit a classic tech site, and felt sufficiently bothered about the issue to vote.

Though my inner optimist would suppose that the same might be said of then-exotic capability of hardware T&L in PC graphics maybe 25 years ago.
 
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*Add obvious disclaimers regarding self-selection bias, of a specific group of English-speaking PC users sufficiently savvy to visit a classic tech site, and felt sufficiently bothered about the issue to vote.
Um, that's woefully ignorant. TPU's viewership is spread across the globe more or less VERY evenly. This poll was a resounding input from the whole planet to the industry.
Though my inner optimist would suppose that the same might be said of then-exotic capability of hardware T&L in PC graphics maybe 25 years ago.
And you would be wrong again. Hardware T&L was a very desirable effect back then that EVERYONE wanted because of how beautiful it was.
 
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Um, that's woefully ignorant. TPU's viewership is spread across the globe more or less VERY evenly. This poll was a resounding input from the whole planet. to the industry.
Besides, even if we go with the assumption that TPU voters are a specific group of tech enthusiasts (although you don't have to be registered on the forum to vote on the main page as far as I know, but that's besides the point here), the fact that 84% of such a hardcore tech enthusiast group is not interested in AI is telling something, isn't it?

Edit: Let's also not go besides the fact that more than 26,000 people voted. I wouldn't say with 100% certainty that 100% of them are tech junkies and avid forum frequenters to say the last.
 
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Um, that's woefully ignorant. TPU's viewership is spread across the globe more or less VERY evenly. This poll was a resounding input from the whole planet. to the industry.
Okay, I'd weaken that to "Sufficiently tech-savvy and either understand English sufficiently well, or sufficiently savvy about machine translation tools, to know about TPU and understand what the poll is about, and felt strong enough to vote on this issue."

Still feels pretty self-selected to me, but I do agree with the conclusion. ;)
And you would be wrong again. Hardware T&L was a very desirable effect back then that EVERYONE wanted because of how beautiful it was.

I stand corrected - I was under the impression that early implementations were sufficient flawed that software solutions both looked better and were sometimes faster. I think I might be confusing it with something else.
 
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Okay, I'd weaken that to "Sufficiently tech-savvy and either understand English sufficiently well, or sufficiently savvy about machine translation tools, to know about TPU and understand what the poll is about, and felt strong enough to vote on this issue."

Still feels pretty self-selected to me, but I do agree with the conclusion. ;)
TPU shows up on a simple Google search on anything remotely related to IT. No savviness is needed.
 
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Okay, I'd weaken that to "Sufficiently tech-savvy and either understand English sufficiently well, or sufficiently savvy about machine translation tools, to know about TPU and understand what the poll is about, and felt strong enough to vote on this issue."
Yeah but think about it: What sector of users are going to make the most of AI features? The average users or the techies?
Still feels pretty self-selected to me,
That might be fair. Given that anyone could vote, regardless of having an account or being logged in, who knows.

I stand corrected - I was under the impression that early implementations were sufficient flawed that software solutions both looked better and were sometimes faster. I think I might be confusing it with something else.
In fairness to you, it has been 25 years. There were some glitches in the early version of T&L that were resolved before going live to the public. Geforce and Radeon T&L was perfect at launch and got better after a few driver refinements. 3DFX had their own "version" of T&L that rendered a different way, but still worked perfectly.

@ Industry Execs/Pundits
I'm going to offer a personal opinion, one that I think makes sense.

Make NPU/AI specific hardware a plugin format. PCIe, USBC Thunderbolt, etc.. For those of us who don't want, will not use or do not trust AI, don't force it on us. Make it something we can add in IF we want it.
 
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Yeah but think about it: What sector of users are going to make the most of AI features? The average users or the techies?
Perversely, it might well be the average user who would benefit more, if those features would do half of what they are being envisioned to do.

Say, someone wants to make a spice cake. The average user could just tell the AI to put in the orders, even though it might end up ordering a kilo of nutmeg at first. More savvy users would likely do their own research on recipe and suppliers as before, and not involve those features as much.

More savvy users probably won't have as much suspension of disbelief for anything interactive either, for good or ill.

And, at least, we now know what a specific group of techies think about the issue.
 
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Perversely, it might well be the average user who would benefit more, if those features would do half of what they are being envisioned to do.
There is that point and it's not an bad one. The trust aspect is for many, including non-techies, a big sticking point.
 
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Videocardz did an article on the poll here and the results and this was my response there:

"AI has it's uses but not much for the average customer imo. It's harder to fool tech enthusiasts about the value of AI than it is to fool the average uninformed PC buyer. AI is a buzzword for most people and it gets hyped to the moon by marketers. You can slap that label on a PC and charge more for it. Kind of like hardware manufacturers did with slapping "Gaming" on parts to make them look more desirable."

One response to my post there was that AI is involved in DLSS so I guess there is that benefit to me but I would be paying extra for a decent gaming card anyway.
 
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Videocardz did an article on the poll here and the results and this was my response:

"AI has it's uses but not much for the average customer imo. It's harder to fool tech enthusiasts about the value of AI than it is to fool the average uninformed PC buyer. AI is a buzzword for most people and it gets hyped to the moon by marketers. You can slap that label on a PC and charge more for it. Kind of like hardware manufacturers did with slapping "Gaming" on parts to make them look more desirable."

One response to my post there was that AI is involved in DLSS so I guess there is that benefit to me but I would be paying extra for a decent gaming card anyway.
Yup, someone already linked it earlier. You got Ninja'd!! ;)
 
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Without a doubt, enterprise & government customers will end up using AI way more than consumers if we go by a simple metric like TOPS. They already are.

Joe Consumer will end up occasionally using AI-powered features but companies like FedEx, Pfizer, Walmart, JPMorganChase will run their $100 million AI clusters at 100% usage 24x7.

Consumer adoption will pick up when there are credible AI usage cases that work on a smartphone, the primary computing modality for consumers in 2024. We know that it won't be one single usage case, it will be multiple usage cases that cover a wide swath of operations. It won't be some sort of AI pureplay feature.

My best guess is that AI will eventually be an automated part of the photo/video workflow, e-mail/message composition and management, calendar management, project management, and more.

We already know that students have steadily increased AI usage for homework assignments for the past couple of years. Once they can do this easily on a smartphone, it can probably be considered to have gone mainstream.

It's not a question of "if". It's just a question of "when".

By 2026, it will be difficult to buy an upper tier smartphone that doesn't have NPU cores. You're going to get the AI silicon even if you deliberately choose to disable all the AI functionality. Today mobile devices are the driving force behind personal technology innovation not PCs. Apple debuting their M4 SoC on the iPad Pro (and not a MacBook) is a clear reflection of this shift to mobile.
 
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Videocardz did an article on the poll here and the results and this was my response there:

"AI has it's uses but not much for the average customer imo. It's harder to fool tech enthusiasts about the value of AI than it is to fool the average uninformed PC buyer. AI is a buzzword for most people and it gets hyped to the moon by marketers. You can slap that label on a PC and charge more for it. Kind of like hardware manufacturers did with slapping "Gaming" on parts to make them look more desirable."

One response to my post there was that AI is involved in DLSS so I guess there is that benefit to me but I would be paying extra for a decent gaming card anyway.
There are a lot more precedents than that in PC marketing. It's arguably better than the technical or actual fraud of marketing early AMD64/EM64T platforms installed with 32-bit OS and with no 64-bit driver support as "64-bit" like it's some secret sauce, or listing drive capacity with disk compression enabled.

There are some actual values in even current AI, capable of some things that even classic Star Trek did not quite imagine, outside isolated cases like Data and the EMH, or guys that would also happily kill you like, say, Landru. The concerns are way older than even modern microelectronics.
 
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'Ai' is a billionaire and corporation scam to get richer.

Let's start with it's not 'intelligence' either. Which is marketing. Even machine learning implies intelligence when there is none.
 
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This poll is pretty pointless, because we all know damn well it's not going to be a choice we can make in the near future.

You buy a GPU and it will have everything, wether you like it or not.
 

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This poll is pretty pointless, because we all know damn well it's not going to be a choice we can make in the near future.

You buy a GPU and it will have everything, wether you like it or not.
Alternate poll idea: since your GPU will have AI capabilities, your CPU will have AI capabilities as well, which one do you plan on using? :D
 
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This poll is pretty pointless, because we all know damn well it's not going to be a choice we can make in the near future.

You buy a GPU and it will have everything, wether you like it or not.
Not true. With enough public push back, companies will not include it if people will not buy it. Some are unwilling to pay extra, others will not buy anything that includes it.
 

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Not true. With enough public push back, companies will not include it if people will not buy it. Some are unwilling to pay extra, others will not buy anything that includes it.
True. This reminds me of the last time consumers pushed back at CPU and GPU makers and won. It was... wait a minute... I know this... I swear it will come to me...
 

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As illustrated by the ease with which you were able to conjure up some examples ;)
Right to repair? That fight is still on going but we're winning it. There's one. I could keep going like that. Is it worth my time? No. Because we all knows the court of public opinion is a powerful court indeed.
 
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