AMD Outs Ryzen 5000XT Processors for Socket AM4, an 8-year Old Socket

[lexluthermiester]

I do not take advice from any of them. Hope you guys don't either

Let's be fair, some are worth listening to and watching. There's a long list of Youtubers worth watching.

JegsTV for example is someone who shows his work and all of his video's have merit because he doesn't jerk things around. Top notch TechTuber!
CraftComputing is another. And yes, as always, he's Jeff. Not Harold or Kumar...
Dare I say JayzTwoCents as well?

I could keep going, but you're not wrong either. Some of them are just trash. Austin Evans, LTT, HWUB and The Verge are stand-out garbage channels and they're far from alone.

Have i seen that correctly? The 5900XT is a 16 Core-CPU instead of a (like a 5900X) 12 Core CPU?

Yup, you saw that right. The 5900XT is a lower base clocked, lower turbo clocked version of the 5950X.

 

[AusWolf]

I have 3 AM4 boards with varying CPUs on them, one is a ryzen 1700 and could benefit from an upgrade, these slides appeared to suggest these new products are a match for 13th gen which occurred to me as an interesting proposition until I looked into it further and found it absolutely wasn't the case. So personally, AMD tried to mislead me, and for those less savvy, it's well worth making a point that the slides are misleading.

Of course you'll only see me complaining if you ignore all the others, and use just this thread as your single source of evidence, that's not really news. Maybe try other forums and social media? I already mentioned a regular person is who asked and put it on HUB'S radar to even make content about. I doubt you will because you're happy to stick to the narrative you've chosen where you think I'm the only one calling AMD out for this shitty business practise, without trying to find other ways to excuse, diminish or minimise it.

If you buy a product based on the result of one single test performed by the same company making the product, then you're an idiot. Simple as that. Don't tell me that TV adverts that claim X washing powder is three times better than the competition aren't utter bullshit. Every single company tries to catch people's attention by stupid data that doesn't make any sense. Every one of them. I don't see this situation being different.

Let's not even mention social media. People only go there if they want to show off their perfect vacations paid on finance, or if they're angry about something, which seems to be all the damn time these days.

 

[wolf]

don't see this situation being different.

I do, we're used to seeing slides from the big 3, and yet usually they're just cherry picked best case scenarios but the testing methodology itself isn't outright flawed and a significant departure from what we are used to seeing. This is.

Let's not even mention social media

That's you're choice, but you can't deny that others are also complaining about this if you refuse to acknowledge its happening anywhere other than here, I'm not talking about Facebook BTW. Doesn't matter, you won't accept it anyway I suppose.

The lengths people will go to defend their favourite billion dollar company for free, and tbh, I'm seeing a strong correlation to the narcissists prayer here.

That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.

 

[AusWolf]

I do, we're used to seeing slides from the big 3, and yet usually they're just cherry picked best case scenarios but the testing methodology itself isn't outright flawed and a significant departure from what we are used to seeing. This is.

Yeah, right...

Edit: I'm trying to find marketing slides from AMD's RX 400-500 era, some of which were also utter crap.

I don't want to bring up more examples, but there's plenty from all companies. The point is: marketing is always based on flawed data and bullshit.

That's you're choice, but you can't deny that others are also complaining about this if you refuse to acknowledge its happening anywhere other than here, I'm not talking about Facebook BTW. Doesn't matter, you won't accept it anyway I suppose.

Social media is the cesspool of humanity. Whatever happens there is always taken out of proportion. And I'm not only talking about Facebook, either.

 

[wolf]

Yeah, right...

Yeah! right!

I'm not usually one to entertain whataboutism, but because your example is flawed when trying to use this one in particular to ...I dunno.. shoot me down?

And even if your points were absolutely bulletproof, all the more reason to blast those slides, when they drop and the news post is about them. Let them know it's not ok.

Done, up to 2x confirmed, it did the thing. Also, look at the graph carefully, yes the text says "up to 2x", but you might just notice the actual plotted points on the graph are about spot on for overall relative performance.

I remember that claim also being SHREDDED due to it not always being the case, being only so under ideal conditions, and power to those people and feeling mislead by them, call it out and ask for better. And, well at least those ideal conditions still tested a GPU against a GPU in a GPU limited test scenario. Not a CPU against a CPU in a test that doesn't test the damned CPU at all, and buries the data that sheds light on it in small print on other slides.

Excellent attempt to handwave away any other account from a source you personally won't accept too, pity that personal rule of yours doesn't bear any consequence to the facts of the matter.

What's your goal here? I walk off with my tail between my legs saying "you're right, I'm annoyed about nothing, nobody is mislead by these slides" Not going to happen, and you can just drop it anytime instead of continuing to argue a point that can't and won't be conceded, believe me it's a waste of your time.

 

[AusWolf]

Yeah! right!

I'm not usually one to entertain whataboutism, but because your example is flawed when trying to use this one in particular to ...I dunno.. shoot me down?

And even if your points were absolutely bulletproof, all the more reason to blast those slides, when they drop and the news post is about them. Let them know it's not ok.

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Done, up to 2x confirmed, it did the thing. Also, look at the graph carefully, yes the text says "up to 2x", but you might just notice the actual plotted points on the graph are about spot on for overall relative performance.

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I remember that claim also being SHREDDED due to it not always being the case, being only so under ideal conditions, and power to those people and feeling mislead by them, call it out and ask for better. And, well at least those ideal conditions still tested a GPU against a GPU in a GPU limited test scenario. Not a CPU against a CPU in a test that doesn't test the damned CPU at all, and buries the data that sheds light on it in small print on other slides.

Excellent attempt to handwave away any other account from a source you personally won't accept too, pity that personal rule of yours doesn't bear any consequence to the facts of the matter.

What's your goal here? I walk off with my tail between my legs saying "you're right, I'm annoyed about nothing, nobody is mislead by these slides" Not going to happen, and you can just drop it anytime instead of continuing to argue a point that can't and won't be conceded, believe me it's a waste of your time.

It's not whatabautism. You were the one who said that we haven't seen blunders like this in marketing slides of the past. I only showed you that we actually have. Nvidia's "up to 2x" number is just as true, and just as pointless as AMD's "R7 = i7" number in a GPU-limited scenario. Neither company lied, but both took such a slim slice of the truth that made the info completely useless, and potentially misleading if you only look at marketing slides and nothing else before buying... which, again, you shouldn't do, and probably no one will ever do anyway. Tech enthusiasts know better than to trust hand-picked data, and regular Joes will never even look at the slides anyway.

Marketing is always based on bullshit. Anno 2024, this should be common knowledge. This is all I had to say. If you want to continue being angry about it, suit yourself, but leave me out of it. I've got bigger fish to fry than a few bullshit marketing slides about a product that 99% of people aren't interested in anyway.

 

[wolf]

It's not whatabautism. just as true, and just as pointles

Disagree, disagree and disagree. This blunder is far worse and markedly different. Stop trying to convince me otherwise.

If you want to continue being angry about it, suit yourself, but leave me out of it

You can stop replying to me anytime. I was fine with what I originally posted about it, and probably wouldn't have given it much more thought at all, until the defence force came out of the woodwork to challenge me on it. I explained, and you still can't resist trying to downplay and invalidate it ad nauseam, feel free to just.. not?

 

[lexluthermiester]

Guys, seriously??

 

[AusWolf]

Disagree, disagree and disagree. This blunder is far worse and markedly different. Stop trying to convince me otherwise.

You can stop replying to me anytime. I was fine with what I originally posted about it, and probably wouldn't have given it much more thought at all, until the defence force came out of the woodwork to challenge me on it. I explained, and you still can't resist trying to downplay and invalidate it ad nauseam, feel free to just.. not?

Sure, you think and feel what you want, and so do I. Peace!

 

[Arcsaber]

The 5800X was already daft... so they made something even dafter?

 

[lexluthermiester]

The 5800X was already daft... so they made something even dafter?

Wait, what? The 5800X is a wonderful CPU! What the hell are YOU on about? Making that statement you have no place calling anyone else "daft".

 

[Dr. Dro]

Wait, what? The 5800X is a wonderful CPU! What the hell are YOU on about? Making that statement you have no place calling anyone else "daft".

Well, I understand where they're coming from, although it wasn't a valid point when the 5800X was new. AMD withheld the launch of the 5700X until many years later (going as far as just warehousing their initial batch from 2020 to upsell the 5800X), and nowadays it's all but been eclipsed by the 5800X3D and 5700X3D CPUs. Which makes a 5800XT (basically clock boosted 5800X) at a higher price, daft indeed. It doesn't have a flagship appeal and it's effectively an old CPU for an old platform given a very thin coat of paint.

But as they say, there's no bad hardware, just bad prices

 

[sLowEnd]

But as they say, there's no bad hardware, just bad prices

Well, except defective and/or dangerous hardware

 

[lexluthermiester]

Well, except defective and/or dangerous hardware

Well there is that.