It looks good up to 5GHz... then that same voltage bump to get to 6+ is where that efficiency goes out the window...Or in the case of ridiculous CPUs (that should never have been released), the VID table will request 1.523v and then add the microcode error and mobo....*insert melting sounds*
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System Name | Bragging Rights |
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Processor | Atom Z3735F 1.33GHz |
Motherboard | It has no markings but it's green |
Cooling | No, it's a 2.2W processor |
Memory | 2GB DDR3L-1333 |
Video Card(s) | Gen7 Intel HD (4EU @ 311MHz) |
Storage | 32GB eMMC and 128GB Sandisk Extreme U3 |
Display(s) | 10" IPS 1280x800 60Hz |
Case | Veddha T2 |
Audio Device(s) | Apparently, yes |
Power Supply | Samsung 18W 5V fast-charger |
Mouse | MX Anywhere 2 |
Keyboard | Logitech MX Keys (not Cherry MX at all) |
VR HMD | Samsung Oddyssey, not that I'd plug it into this though.... |
Software | W10 21H1, barely |
Benchmark Scores | I once clocked a Celeron-300A to 564MHz on an Abit BE6 and it scored over 9000. |
Processor | 13700KF Undervolted @ 5.4, 4.8Ghz Ring 190W PL1 |
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Motherboard | MSI 690-I PRO |
Cooling | Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 w/ Arctic P12 Fans |
Memory | 48 GB DDR5 7600 MHZ CL36 |
Video Card(s) | RTX 4090 FE |
Storage | 2x 2TB WDC SN850, 1TB Samsung 960 prr |
Display(s) | Alienware 32" 4k 240hz OLED |
Case | SLIGER S620 |
Audio Device(s) | Yes |
Power Supply | Corsair SF750 |
Mouse | Xlite V2 |
Keyboard | RoyalAxe |
Software | Windows 11 |
Benchmark Scores | They're pretty good, nothing crazy. |
Because they probably tested on an Intel Test Motherboard and didn't have these issues.But how this microcode was tested? (It was tested like the famous Crowdstrike driver ...) I mean it's pretty basic task to test voltages and temperatures at the engineering phases, how the hell they not catched the faulty microcode?
I always thought it amusing how when AMD released the 220W TDP 9590 everyone (somewhat fairly) laughed at it. It had a massive TDP and still didn't really push the performance envelope, but Intel release 253W CPUs and it's all fine and dandy... I'm guessing because it did actually top a few benchmarks so it got a reprieve... but really it should have been laughed at in the same vein.Every Intel i9 since 10th gen has just felt like the old days of AMD's Piledriver-based FX-9590 - an inferior architecture that's overclocked to within an inch of its life at ridiculously inefficient and overheating power limits. We know Intel has been behind in IPC for years now, and their solution is to just add more voltage. This wasn't a mistake, it was Intel pushing things way too far and it biting them in the ass - they gambled and lost.
I think if you've bought a "253W" Intel CPU in the last half-decade, you've known what you're getting yourself into and hopefully you've either bought the 350W+ motherboard and ridiculous cooler needed to accommodate it, or you've gone into your BIOS and enforced your own, strict limits on how much trouble your "253W" processor can actually get itself into by locking PL1 and PL2 to reasonable values for your cooling and preferred noise levels.
System Name | Bragging Rights |
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Processor | Atom Z3735F 1.33GHz |
Motherboard | It has no markings but it's green |
Cooling | No, it's a 2.2W processor |
Memory | 2GB DDR3L-1333 |
Video Card(s) | Gen7 Intel HD (4EU @ 311MHz) |
Storage | 32GB eMMC and 128GB Sandisk Extreme U3 |
Display(s) | 10" IPS 1280x800 60Hz |
Case | Veddha T2 |
Audio Device(s) | Apparently, yes |
Power Supply | Samsung 18W 5V fast-charger |
Mouse | MX Anywhere 2 |
Keyboard | Logitech MX Keys (not Cherry MX at all) |
VR HMD | Samsung Oddyssey, not that I'd plug it into this though.... |
Software | W10 21H1, barely |
Benchmark Scores | I once clocked a Celeron-300A to 564MHz on an Abit BE6 and it scored over 9000. |
Exactly. I remember 125W being the sweet spot the last time it was tested at a full range of power limits.I always thought it amusing how when AMD released the 220W TDP 9590 everyone (somewhat fairly) laughed at it. It had a massive TDP and still didn't really push the performance envelope, but Intel release 253W CPUs and it's all fine and dandy... I'm guessing because it did actually top a few benchmarks so it got a reprieve... but really it should have been laughed at in the same vein.
TechPowerUp have done some power limited benchmarking which to Intel's credit does show that behind the process gap there is some good IPC capability, but as a product I'm amazed so many people have bought these K/KS SKUs...
I feel bad for those who have more normal CPUs... especially those with T series chips which are meant to be lower power... they should really be nowhere near an 'excess voltage' problem.
Processor | 13700KF Undervolted @ 5.4, 4.8Ghz Ring 190W PL1 |
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Motherboard | MSI 690-I PRO |
Cooling | Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 w/ Arctic P12 Fans |
Memory | 48 GB DDR5 7600 MHZ CL36 |
Video Card(s) | RTX 4090 FE |
Storage | 2x 2TB WDC SN850, 1TB Samsung 960 prr |
Display(s) | Alienware 32" 4k 240hz OLED |
Case | SLIGER S620 |
Audio Device(s) | Yes |
Power Supply | Corsair SF750 |
Mouse | Xlite V2 |
Keyboard | RoyalAxe |
Software | Windows 11 |
Benchmark Scores | They're pretty good, nothing crazy. |
Edit - apparently I'm out of touch. The 14900KS pulls 410W from the socket. Holy ***balls, batman - suddenly the 7800X3D being a faster gaming chip whilst actually only pulling around 70-80W from the socket makes this whole "overclocked to death" fiasco look even more stupid than I already thought it was. DAMN Intel, you dun goofed!
System Name | Firelance. |
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Processor | Threadripper 3960X |
Motherboard | ROG Strix TRX40-E Gaming |
Cooling | IceGem 360 + 6x Arctic Cooling P12 |
Memory | 8x 16GB Patriot Viper DDR4-3200 CL16 |
Video Card(s) | MSI GeForce RTX 4060 Ti Ventus 2X OC |
Storage | 2TB WD SN850X (boot), 4TB Crucial P3 (data) |
Display(s) | 3x AOC Q32E2N (32" 2560x1440 75Hz) |
Case | Enthoo Pro II Server Edition (Closed Panel) + 6 fans |
Power Supply | Fractal Design Ion+ 2 Platinum 760W |
Mouse | Logitech G602 |
Keyboard | Logitech G613 |
Software | Windows 10 Professional x64 |
The most stupid thing about all of this is that, actually, the 13th and 14th gen Intel CPUs are good chips with decent power consumption. Dial them down to sane voltages so that they don't boost out the wazoo, and all of a sudden they become quite comparable to their previous-generation counterparts' power consumption.I always thought it amusing how when AMD released the 220W TDP 9590 everyone (somewhat fairly) laughed at it. It had a massive TDP and still didn't really push the performance envelope, but Intel release 253W CPUs and it's all fine and dandy... I'm guessing because it did actually top a few benchmarks so it got a reprieve... but really it should have been laughed at in the same vein.
TechPowerUp have done some power limited benchmarking which to Intel's credit does show that behind the process gap there is some good IPC capability, but as a product I'm amazed so many people have bought these K/KS SKUs...
I feel bad for those who have more normal CPUs... especially those with T series chips which are meant to be lower power... they should really be nowhere near an 'excess voltage' problem.
System Name | KLM |
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Processor | 7800X3D |
Motherboard | B-650E-E Strix |
Cooling | Arctic Cooling III 280 |
Memory | 16x2 Fury Renegade 6000-32 |
Video Card(s) | 4070-ti PNY |
Storage | 512+512+1+2+2+2+2+6+500+256+4+4+4 |
Display(s) | VA 32" 4K@60 - OLED 27" 2K@240 |
Case | 4000D Airflow |
Audio Device(s) | Edifier 1280Ts |
Power Supply | Shift 1000 |
Mouse | 502 Hero |
Keyboard | K68 |
Software | EMDB |
Benchmark Scores | 0>1000 |
System Name | Bragging Rights |
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Processor | Atom Z3735F 1.33GHz |
Motherboard | It has no markings but it's green |
Cooling | No, it's a 2.2W processor |
Memory | 2GB DDR3L-1333 |
Video Card(s) | Gen7 Intel HD (4EU @ 311MHz) |
Storage | 32GB eMMC and 128GB Sandisk Extreme U3 |
Display(s) | 10" IPS 1280x800 60Hz |
Case | Veddha T2 |
Audio Device(s) | Apparently, yes |
Power Supply | Samsung 18W 5V fast-charger |
Mouse | MX Anywhere 2 |
Keyboard | Logitech MX Keys (not Cherry MX at all) |
VR HMD | Samsung Oddyssey, not that I'd plug it into this though.... |
Software | W10 21H1, barely |
Benchmark Scores | I once clocked a Celeron-300A to 564MHz on an Abit BE6 and it scored over 9000. |
Yeah, this is an example from W1zzard's 12th gen power scaling article, but it's basically the same thing with the same architecture out of the same foundry:Not to mention - the FPS increase from 5.5ghz to 6.2ghz is like 3FPS - it's in the low single digits. That last extra 200W does basically nothing for gaming.
System Name | KLM |
---|---|
Processor | 7800X3D |
Motherboard | B-650E-E Strix |
Cooling | Arctic Cooling III 280 |
Memory | 16x2 Fury Renegade 6000-32 |
Video Card(s) | 4070-ti PNY |
Storage | 512+512+1+2+2+2+2+6+500+256+4+4+4 |
Display(s) | VA 32" 4K@60 - OLED 27" 2K@240 |
Case | 4000D Airflow |
Audio Device(s) | Edifier 1280Ts |
Power Supply | Shift 1000 |
Mouse | 502 Hero |
Keyboard | K68 |
Software | EMDB |
Benchmark Scores | 0>1000 |
Exactly this ^^Yeah, this is an example from W1zzard's 12th gen power scaling article, but it's basically the same thing with the same architecture out of the same foundry:
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125W is only 0.8% slower than 241W, which means that even 125W is at or already beyond the point of diminishing returns; There's basically nothing left on the table after that except excessive heat and noise but Intel decided 410W was the answer and here we are today in this embarrassing mess for Intel... :\
TechPowerUp have done some power limited benchmarking which to Intel's credit does show that behind the process gap there is some good IPC capability, but as a product I'm amazed so many people have bought these K/KS SKUs...
That chart shows gaming performance at various power limits. The CPU isn't drawing that amount of power. What the chart tells you is that gaming on that cpu, on average, doesn't use much more than 125W, no matter the power budget given to the CPU.Yeah, this is an example from W1zzard's 12th gen power scaling article, but it's basically the same thing with the same architecture out of the same foundry:
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125W is only 0.8% slower than 241W, which means that even 125W is at or already beyond the point of diminishing returns; There's basically nothing left on the table after that except excessive heat and noise but Intel decided 410W was the answer and here we are today in this embarrassing mess for Intel... :\
Not just Zen4... to be honest the 5800X didn't really offer a lot over the 5800 (less than 2% difference in single-threaded performance, and nearly 8% in multi-threaded) but with a 60% higher TDP... and the same was true further down the product stack.And then AMD went and did the exact same goddamn thing with Zen 4 and it pisses me off so much. Obviously Intel is at fault here because if they hadn't done it AMD wouldn't have, but it pisses me off because two wrongs don't make a right, they just compound stupidity. And the last thing AMD should be doing to succeed, is copying their competitor's most stupid of ideas.
Basically, I hate marketing/sales people, but more than that I hate the dysfunctional "management" at Intel that allowed this to happen at all. They should all be fired into the Sun.
Processor | Ryzen 7 5700X |
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Motherboard | ASUS TUF Gaming X570-PRO (WiFi 6) |
Cooling | Noctua NH-C14S (two fans) |
Memory | 2x16GB DDR4 3200 |
Video Card(s) | Reference Vega 64 |
Storage | Intel 665p 1TB, WD Black SN850X 2TB, Crucial MX300 1TB SATA, Samsung 830 256 GB SATA |
Display(s) | Nixeus NX-EDG27, and Samsung S23A700 |
Case | Fractal Design R5 |
Power Supply | Seasonic PRIME TITANIUM 850W |
Mouse | Logitech |
VR HMD | Oculus Rift |
Software | Windows 11 Pro, and Ubuntu 20.04 |
They also wanted the multithreaded performance crown and there, the lower power limit hurts competitiveness versus AMD. Thanks to more E cores, the 14900K improves upon the 12900k at lower power limits, but would still be marginally behind its competitors at comparable power draws.Yeah, this is an example from W1zzard's 12th gen power scaling article, but it's basically the same thing with the same architecture out of the same foundry:
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125W is only 0.8% slower than 241W, which means that even 125W is at or already beyond the point of diminishing returns; There's basically nothing left on the table after that except excessive heat and noise but Intel decided 410W was the answer and here we are today in this embarrassing mess for Intel... :\
System Name | not yet named (GR-1 = Game Rig 1) |
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Processor | i7 12700k (i7 3770) |
Motherboard | ASUS ROG STRIX B760-I (Alienware X51 Stock 2012 R1) |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15S (Alienware X51 Stock 2012 R1) |
Memory | Kingston FURY Beast 32GB 6000MT/s DDR5 CL30 (Alienware X51 Stock 2012 R1) |
Video Card(s) | Zotac 4070 Super Twin Edge (1st GTX660 2N 1050TI Now 1660 Zotac) |
Storage | Samsung 990 EVO 2TB (1 TB Samsung SSD Sata 1 TB Alienware stock non SSD) |
Display(s) | ASUS PB287Q |
Case | (Alienware X51 Stock 2012 R1) |
Power Supply | (Alienware X51 Stock external PSU) |
Mouse | Razer Abyssus |
Keyboard | Cherry KC 6000 Slim |
Software | Windows 11 Pro (Windows 10) |
Not just Zen4... to be honest the 5800X didn't really offer a lot over the 5800 (less than 2% difference in single-threaded performance, and nearly 8% in multi-threaded) but with a 60% higher TDP... and the same was true further down the product stack.
If shopping at the low-end, people buying a Ryzen 7600X instead of a 7600 (and keeping the change for maybe a bit more RAM, bigger SSD, better GPU, or just plain old beer money) confuses me especially if they plan to upgrade....
The last few Intel generations in the latter stages of Skylake / Coffee Lake showed the K CPUs starting to offer a lot less value and diminishing returns in terms of how much you can push the envelope.... those Sandy Bridge days are looooong gone.
At this point in time I'd take the 10W higher idle than the 2-3 times higher high load power usage....when talking about those am5 chipsets i saw the new pricing of the 96, 97 an so on, kind of high to my taste, bad timing intel has socket 1700 issues as platform swap into new am5 is kind of not so cheap price, swap with 7600 or x is in terms of pricing okayish.. if you dont mind the high idle power consumption which i did
System Name | KLM |
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Processor | 7800X3D |
Motherboard | B-650E-E Strix |
Cooling | Arctic Cooling III 280 |
Memory | 16x2 Fury Renegade 6000-32 |
Video Card(s) | 4070-ti PNY |
Storage | 512+512+1+2+2+2+2+6+500+256+4+4+4 |
Display(s) | VA 32" 4K@60 - OLED 27" 2K@240 |
Case | 4000D Airflow |
Audio Device(s) | Edifier 1280Ts |
Power Supply | Shift 1000 |
Mouse | 502 Hero |
Keyboard | K68 |
Software | EMDB |
Benchmark Scores | 0>1000 |
System Name | RogueOne |
---|---|
Processor | Xeon W9-3495x |
Motherboard | ASUS w790E Sage SE |
Cooling | SilverStone XE360-4677 |
Memory | 128gb Gskill Zeta R5 DDR5 RDIMMs |
Video Card(s) | MSI SUPRIM Liquid X 4090 |
Storage | 1x 2TB WD SN850X | 2x 8TB GAMMIX S70 |
Display(s) | Odyssey OLED G9 (G95SC) |
Case | Thermaltake Core P3 Pro Snow |
Audio Device(s) | Moondrop S8's on schitt Modi+ & Valhalla 2 |
Power Supply | Seasonic Prime TX-1600 |
Mouse | Lamzu Atlantis mini (White) |
Keyboard | Monsgeek M3 Lavender, Akko Crystal Blues |
VR HMD | Quest 3 |
Software | Windows 11 Pro Workstation |
Benchmark Scores | I dont have time for that. |
System Name | PCGOD |
---|---|
Processor | AMD FX 8350@ 5.0GHz |
Motherboard | Asus TUF 990FX Sabertooth R2 2901 Bios |
Cooling | Scythe Ashura, 2×BitFenix 230mm Spectre Pro LED (Blue,Green), 2x BitFenix 140mm Spectre Pro LED |
Memory | 16 GB Gskill Ripjaws X 2133 (2400 OC, 10-10-12-20-20, 1T, 1.65V) |
Video Card(s) | AMD Radeon 290 Sapphire Vapor-X |
Storage | Samsung 840 Pro 256GB, WD Velociraptor 1TB |
Display(s) | NEC Multisync LCD 1700V (Display Port Adapter) |
Case | AeroCool Xpredator Evil Blue Edition |
Audio Device(s) | Creative Labs Sound Blaster ZxR |
Power Supply | Seasonic 1250 XM2 Series (XP3) |
Mouse | Roccat Kone XTD |
Keyboard | Roccat Ryos MK Pro |
Software | Windows 7 Pro 64 |
Detonator drivers causing gpus to go boomNvidia Bumpgate ~2008. Permanently ruined their relationship with Apple. Nvidia blamed TSMC for it.
System Name | Gamey #1 / #3 |
---|---|
Processor | Ryzen 7 5800X3D / Ryzen 7 5700X3D |
Motherboard | Asrock B450M P4 / MSi B450 sumpin' |
Cooling | IDCool SE-226-XT / IDCool SE-224-XTS |
Memory | 32GB 3200 CL16 / 16GB 3200 CL16 |
Video Card(s) | PColor 6800 XT / PNY RTX 4060 Ti |
Storage | 4TB Team MP34 / 2TB WD SN580 |
Display(s) | LG 32GK650F 1440p 144Hz VA |
Case | Corsair 4000Air / TT Versa H18 |
Audio Device(s) | Dragonfly Black |
Power Supply | EVGA 650 G3 / EVGA BQ 500 |
Mouse | JSCO JNL-101k Noiseless |
Keyboard | Steelseries Apex 3 TKL |
Software | Win 10, Throttlestop |
At this point in time I'd take the 10W higher idle than the 2-3 times higher high load power usage....
It probably isn't even that measurable at the power socket due to the increasing efficiency of PSUs as power load ramps up... even 80plus platinum PSUs are not very good under 10% of their power rating in most cases.
System Name | CyberPowerPC ET8070 |
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Processor | Intel Core i5-10400F |
Motherboard | Gigabyte B460M DS3H AC-Y1 |
Memory | 2 x Crucial Ballistix 8GB DDR4-3000 |
Video Card(s) | MSI Nvidia GeForce GTX 1660 Super |
Storage | Boot: Intel OPTANE SSD P1600X Series 118GB M.2 PCIE |
Display(s) | Dell P2416D (2560 x 1440) |
Power Supply | EVGA 500W1 (modified to have two bridge rectifiers) |
Software | Windows 11 Home |
System Name | KLM |
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Processor | 7800X3D |
Motherboard | B-650E-E Strix |
Cooling | Arctic Cooling III 280 |
Memory | 16x2 Fury Renegade 6000-32 |
Video Card(s) | 4070-ti PNY |
Storage | 512+512+1+2+2+2+2+6+500+256+4+4+4 |
Display(s) | VA 32" 4K@60 - OLED 27" 2K@240 |
Case | 4000D Airflow |
Audio Device(s) | Edifier 1280Ts |
Power Supply | Shift 1000 |
Mouse | 502 Hero |
Keyboard | K68 |
Software | EMDB |
Benchmark Scores | 0>1000 |
Microcode is hardware, as far as I'm concerned.