AMD Ryzen 7 9700X

[BoggledBeagle]

ANd so it begins....

A separate thread for each sku....what a waste of pixels & time....

I am not going to even open the lowly 9600X thread, I am too good for it...

 

[dj-electric]

Return of the king

As far as I'm aware, the Ryzen 7 7800X3D never went away. It is still here.

 

[napata]

Glad I bought a 7800x3d

Yeah, unless the 9800x3D is going to scale better with cache or has other tweaks it's going to be a whopping 4% faster than the 7800x3D as the 9700x is only 4% faster than the 7700x in games.

 

[Pumper]

Overall, this is a major disappointment and does not feel like the CPUs are worthy of a new architecture name. At best Zen4+

ST performance bump is ~12%, but it only translates to 5% MT advantage. The only notable improvement is that it's up to 9% faster than the 65W 7700, but in the end, you might as well just save the $80 and get the 7700 instead of 9700X.

AMD made a big mistake by not including their NPU in these, losing the only reason to recommend Zen5 over Zen4.

 

[Pepamami]

Yeah but no.

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wait for 9900 and 9950 then?

 

[Onasi]

@R0H1T
Technically, sure, but I don't think anyone really cares about IPC in a vacuum. I was more referring to the overall meh performance uplift, although, to be fair, if we talk OOB settings it IS an uplift while also running at almost half the power SKU to SKU, so impressive still.

 

[dullahan29]

Around 2% improvement in gaming. Very impressive generational gain.

 

[colossusrageblack]

After seeing this, I'm now concerned that the 9800X3D is going to be a miniscule improvement over the 7800X3D.

 

[R0H1T]

ST performance bump is ~12%, but it only translates to 5% MT advantage.

What? Did you actually check the review or other sites?

When taking the geometric mean of those nearly 400 raw benchmark results, it sums up the greatness of Zen 5 with the Ryzen 5 9600X and Ryzen 7 9700X processors. The Ryzen 7 9700X delivered 1.195x the performance of the Core i5 14600K competition or 1.15x the performance of the prior generation Ryzen 7 7700X.

AMD Ryzen 5 9600X & Ryzen 7 9700X Offer Excellent Linux Performance Review - Phoronix

www.phoronix.com

 

[RogueSix]

Granted, I have not checked every single review out there but still quite a few sites and TPU are literally the ONLY one who are saying that the 9700X can hold a candle to the X3D CPUs of the 7000 generation.

In fact, TPU said that the 9700X is faster than the 7950X3D (0.8% at 1080p). I can not even remotely find this result and these findings reflected in a single other review.
"All" other reviews show 7800X3D/7950X3D with a considerable lead over the 9700X.

This is why I would like to ask the slightly provocative question: What went wrong with benchmarking at TPU?

For the record, I think you are usually a great source with reliable data. But something does not add up here. Literally no one else but you sees 9700X even in the same ballpark as the 7800X3D and 7950X3D.

 

[R0H1T]

I was more referring to the overall meh performance uplift, although, to be fair, if we talk OOB settings it IS an uplift while also running at almost half the power SKU to SKU, so impressive still.

It's 15% based on phoronix across ~400 tests.

 

[W1zzard]

with consistently worse FPS figures?

Alan Wake 2?

higher relative performance

Average FPS favors titles with higher absolute FPS. Relative performance normalizes each game to "100" first

 

[Ravenmaster]

Performance seems pretty piss poor for a 'next gen' chip

 

[W1zzard]

even in the same ballpark as the 7800X3D and 7950X3D.

These two are not in the same ballpark. 7800X3D is significantly faster in gaming than 7950X3D

Or are you talking about 4K?

Edit: it looks like 7950X3D is surprisingly close to 7950X .. maybe something with the X3D scheduling? Will retest 7950X3D to verify

 

[Onasi]

It's 15% based on phoronix across 400 tests.

Under LINUX. In often specialized tests. I like Phoronix for a top-down overview, but I feel like TPU has far more "true to real life" testing and we aren't anywhere near 15% there.

 

[Suspecto]

LOL That's a massive turd and failure.

Literally Zen 5%

This cpu is closer to 12900k than to 7800x3D and slower than the latest Intel i7. WTF

 

[R0H1T]

but I feel like TPU has far more "true to real life" testing and we aren't anywhere near 15% there.

Sure but if you're counting games under "CPU test" then that's wrong as well. You can't do games to measure CPU performance uplift, although using them for game performance uplift (avg/min FPS et al) is fine.

Under LINUX. In often specialized tests.

Linux is more performant than Windows. The tests themselves don't matter for instance Geekbench usually gives better results on Linux.

 

[starfals]

7800x3d still gots it Woohoo!

 

[Onasi]

Sure but if you're counting games under "CPU test" then that's wrong as well.

I don't. Neither does W1zz, so moot point.

Linux is more performant than Windows.

That's very cool. And true. And completely irrelevant since the vast majority (90% or more) of people who will run these CPUs in their PCs will run Windows.

 

[TumbleGeorge]

Overall, this is a major disappointment and does not feel like the CPUs are worthy of a new architecture name. At best Zen4+

Agree. Like Zen/Zen+.

 

[R0H1T]

Right and how did you come up with the 90% number

 

[veleciraptor]

As an AMD owner i am disappointed. I think calling this Zen4+ is more logical then Zen5. I will wait 3nm Zen6 to upgrade my CPU. Does not worth to upgrade atm.

 

[Hyderz]

Not bad considering its price but only a minor improvement, I wonder if there is something holding it back…. My 9900k continues sailing if intel upcoming processors perform the similarly to the new ryzen CPUs

 

[dirtyferret]

Around 2% improvement in gaming. Very impressive generational gain.

god damn it that 2% future proofs you!... although techspot is reporting in certain games the 7700x beats the 9700x, still let's not bring facts into this.

 

[Chaitanya]

Gamers will wait for 8 core X3D variant, entry level users will wait for non X Ryzen5 chips and those use for productivity will buy 9900X and 9950X so overall just as it always has been Ryzen7 x700X(and to lesser degree x600X) are step children which wont move much ensuring they will get discounted sooner rather than later.