AM5 board recommendation

[phanbuey]

The best processors will be the 9800x3d and arrow lake, by then you will have totally new motherboards out. Either go with a super cheap AM5+ and drop a 7800X3D in it and enjoy peak gaming for a few months while the 9800X3D comes out and then get that. Or wait to build something 20% faster with arrow lake / 9800x3d... nothing in the middle really makes sense - you would just waste a bunch of money buying a 7500f.

 

[Zazigalka]

I have no use for 7800x3d now, I don't need more than 90 fps and 10700f delivers that in pretty much everything. I'm just researching the cost of a new system should I need it, I am planning a 5070/5080 when they're out and maybe getting into the +150 territory, I do have a 170hz 1440p monitor after all.

 

[AusWolf]

The best processors will be the 9800x3d and arrow lake, by then you will have totally new motherboards out. Either go with a super cheap AM5+ and drop a 7800X3D in it and enjoy peak gaming for a few months while the 9800X3D comes out and then get that. Or wait to build something 20% faster with arrow lake / 9800x3d... nothing in the middle really makes sense - you would just waste a bunch of money buying a 7500f.

Getting a 7800X3D, then selling it at used prices and getting a 9800X3D is a waste of money, imo. So close to the launch date, one should either wait for the 9800X3D, or get a 7800X3D and keep it for a few gens.

 

[Knight47]

Why 4080 ? Thought it's a decent onbaord sound card.

While it's decent, it's connected through usb, many people had/have issues with it.

 

[Ruru]

Today the board must have PCI 5.0 x 16 and DDR 5, the Nvidia 5000 series cards are now all PCI 5.0, the PCI 4.0 x 16 will die in a few months.

PCIe 4.0 will be enough for years.

 

[phanbuey]

Getting a 7800X3D, then selling it at used prices and getting a 9800X3D is a waste of money, imo. So close to the launch date, one should either wait for the 9800X3D, or get a 7800X3D and keep it for a few gens.

7800X3d launched at 450 + very expensive boards - so if you bought it at launch you would have spent 450 + 200(board) + 200(ram) = $850. Also it took a few months of bios updates to fix stuttering and frame pacing issues etc.

You can sell that 7800X3D for used prices ($300) and get a $450 or whatever they will launch the 9800x3d (let's assume 450) at fo a total spend of about - so the kit is about $850 + $1000 -> $150 more to have the latest and greatest performance for the longest time possible...

If you buy 7800X3D now you can get it for $350 + $100ram) + $150 (board) = $600 all in... you would still be able to sell it for around $300 and buy the $450 9800X3D - so you would waste about $150 to go 7800x3d first, but you would be buying time for the bios and issues to weed out, and seeing the prices of the 5800x3d, the 7800x3d won't really go below $300 anytime soon.

 

[kapone32]

7800X3d launched at 450 + very expensive boards - so if you bought it at launch you would have spent 450 + 200(board) + 200(ram) = $850. Also it took a few months of bios updates to fix stuttering and frame pacing issues etc.

You can sell that 7800X3D for used prices ($300) and get a $450 or whatever they will launch the 9800x3d (let's assume 450) at fo a total spend of about - so the kit is about $850 + $1000 -> $150 more to have the latest and greatest performance for the longest time possible...

If you buy 7800X3D now you can get it for $350 + $100ram) + $150 (board) = $600 all in... you would still be able to sell it for around $300 and buy the $450 9800X3D - so you would waste about $150 to go 7800x3d first, but you would be buying time for the bios and issues to weed out, and seeing the prices of the 5800x3d, the 7800x3d won't really go below $300 anytime soon.

There is also the fact that 6000 mt/s 30 timing 32GB kits are now comparable to DDR4 in pricing. MBs are still expensive but there is also the fact that X670E seems way more flexible than X870E in terms of M2 slots and connectivity. I get USB4 but for me that is not really for PC. USB 4 (for me) became popular for External GPUs but why would you want that in your PC anyway given the cost of those enclosures. I do hope it puts pressure on B650 pricing when we get B850 boards.

 

[AleXXX666]

Many complain about AG620 (and other coolers using fans with this blade geometry) being acoustically upleasant with anomalies showing quite often across rpm range. It's this other than dBA side of acoustics of cooling product. Sadly harder to verify not testing yourself, but in real life way more crucial. P12 fans Arctic 36 comes with are in this regard even more infamous, but needs to be added that cheaper coolers in general tend to have unspleasant acoustics due to exactly cheap solutions and leading brand here is unfortunately the most expensive Noctua.

@Zazigalka I would choose something from Thermalright or Noctua. Both have their advantages, both have top performing products, but my recommendation comes from combining it with them being one and only offering mounting kits for future sockets (even for their discontinued coolers). Noctua gives, TR at least sells. These guys just let you use your cooler for as long as you want and it makes them the only ones I want to buy cooler from. Maybe even lack of this is the reason why you are looking for a cooler today.

even getting Deepcool cooler and then buying Noctua/BeQuiet fans additionally is WAY cheaper than getting "premium" cooler for f..n OVERPRICE, because we live in AIO era and paying more than $60 for AIR is BS these days.

Pure exaggeration. The 7700 uses 60 W and runs at 62C in games, that's 10 W more and the same temp as a 7600.

on what clocks/or with what MB? not-restricted 8 core vs 6 core, 10W more AND SAME TEMP?

 

[AusWolf]

7800X3d launched at 450 + very expensive boards - so if you bought it at launch you would have spent 450 + 200(board) + 200(ram) = $850. Also it took a few months of bios updates to fix stuttering and frame pacing issues etc.

You can sell that 7800X3D for used prices ($300) and get a $450 or whatever they will launch the 9800x3d (let's assume 450) at fo a total spend of about - so the kit is about $850 + $1000 -> $150 more to have the latest and greatest performance for the longest time possible...

If you buy 7800X3D now you can get it for $350 + $100ram) + $150 (board) = $600 all in... you would still be able to sell it for around $300 and buy the $450 9800X3D - so you would waste about $150 to go 7800x3d first, but you would be buying time for the bios and issues to weed out, and seeing the prices of the 5800x3d, the 7800x3d won't really go below $300 anytime soon.

Once the 9800X3D drops, it will. Then you won't sell it for 300, maybe 200-250 max. Then you will have spent $250, or more than third of the previous total platform cost on an upgrade that might not even give you more than a couple percent extra performance, if 9700X reviews are anything to go by. Total waste of money if you ask me.

Even your example of $150 on the upgrade, is 25% of your initial platform cost. Is the 9800X3D gonna be 25% better than the 7800X3D? I strongly doubt it.

 

[#22]

even getting Deepcool cooler and then buying Noctua/BeQuiet fans additionally is WAY cheaper than getting "premium" cooler for f..n OVERPRICE, because we live in AIO era and paying more than $60 for AIR is BS these days.


on what clocks/or with what MB? not-restricted 8 core vs 6 core, 10W more AND SAME TEMP?

Have you ever heard about heatsink being or not designed to work with given fans? Meaning effectiveness, so noise normalized performance and most importantly designing the heatsink to avoid acoustic anomalies, shit annoying you on daily basis. Acoustic anomalies you get from damn Deepcool as an result of their design out of the box, bacause they don't care. Or likely by swapping random fans on owned heatsink. And no, buying cheap cooler to swap it's fans for ones premium will be more expensive and result in worse effect than spending this money on better cooler. It's something you definitely don't do.

 

[AleXXX666]

Have you ever heard about heatsink being or not designed to work with given fans? Meaning effectiveness, so noise normalized performance and most importantly designing the heatsink to avoid acoustic anomalies, shit annoying you on daily basis. Acoustic anomalies you get from damn Deepcool as an result of their design out of the box, bacause they don't care. Or likely by swapping random fans on owned heatsink. And no, buying cheap cooler to swap it's fans for ones premium will be more expensive and result in worse effect than spending this money on better cooler. It's something you definitely don't do.

I did that with CoolerShitter ("Master") putting Noctua fan and effectiveness has raised. And no any acoustic nonsense. Modern Deepcool are much technologically advanced than ancient hyped CoolerMaster

 

[Ruru]

I did that with CoolerShitter ("Master") putting Noctua fan and effectiveness has raised. And no any acoustic nonsense. Modern Deepcool are much technologically advanced than ancient hyped CoolerMaster

CoolerHamster just has its legacy, they haven't indeed put out anything special in years. Though Hyper 212 and its different revisions were great budget coolers.

 

[AleXXX666]

CoolerHamster just has its legacy, they haven't indeed put out anything special in years. Though Hyper 212 and its different revisions were great budget coolers.

agree, but now this ancient BS shouldn't cost more than $15, not $40 as it costs. Tremendously big for "budget" cases, this is not how we like "budget" coolers lol

 

[#22]

I did that with CoolerShitter ("Master") putting Noctua fan and effectiveness has raised. And no any acoustic nonsense. Modern Deepcool are much technologically advanced than ancient hyped CoolerMaster

What you say shows that you just try to hard be right, but also know shit about cooling.

Plus giving laugh emoticon to whatever post you don't agree won't change it or make me feel bad.

 

[Zazigalka]

I did that with CoolerShitter ("Master") putting Noctua fan and effectiveness has raised. And no any acoustic nonsense. Modern Deepcool are much technologically advanced than ancient hyped CoolerMaster

agree, but now this ancient BS shouldn't cost more than $15, not $40 as it costs. Tremendously big for "budget" cases, this is not how we like "budget" coolers lol

Stop posting this trash, you're spamming my thread.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I did that with CoolerShitter ("Master")

Please stop with that kind of thing. Do we not have better maturity than this?

Stop posting this trash, you're spamming my thread.

Exactly!

 

[Zazigalka]

There are so many fantastic options popping up every day, just found this selling at 165eur

Ceneo - porównanie cen, sklepy internetowe - kup najtaniej

not really for me as it only has 2xsata and no wifi, but looks great nevertheless.

 

[lexluthermiester]

There are so many fantastic options popping up every day, just found this selling at 165eur

Ceneo - porównanie cen, sklepy internetowe - kup najtaniej

not really for me as it only has 2xsata and no wifi, but looks great nevertheless.

Have you thought about a SATA PCIe card? It'll give you a bunch of SATA ports at full speed without the need for them to be on the board. Such a card will open up at ton of options for boards for you.
For example, something like this;

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3256806787755809.html

I know I'm kinda spit-balling ideas at you, just trying to help you find something that will work for you.

 

[Zazigalka]

Have you thought about a SATA PCIe card? It'll give you a bunch of SATA ports at full speed without the need for them to be on the board. Such a card will open up at ton of options for boards for you.
For example, something like this;

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3256806787755809.html

I know I'm kinda spit-balling ideas at you, just trying to help you find something that will work for you.

Frankly, I would gladly just get rid of my sata ssds, but the resale value is super low compared to what I paid, and they're quality drives (3x samsung 850pro's/860evo)

 

[Vayra86]

Getting a 7800X3D, then selling it at used prices and getting a 9800X3D is a waste of money, imo. So close to the launch date, one should either wait for the 9800X3D, or get a 7800X3D and keep it for a few gens.

Yeah I doubt you will even see a single FPS difference between the two CPUs in any game going forward for the next 2-4 years too, unless you have a 4090 or something better in the future. And then you could wonder how useful those extra FPS really are.

 

[Zazigalka]

And then you could wonder how useful those extra FPS really are.

Exactly. Even if you can tell 150fps over 140fps, you gotta ask yourself how badly do you need that, and the answer would probably be not at all for most of us.


Anyway, I'm having a lot of fun researching boards, so I'd like to keep this thread clean of trash posts. Not reporting anything yet, but I will next time.

 

[AusWolf]

Frankly, I would gladly just get rid of my sata ssds, but the resale value is super low compared to what I paid, and they're quality drives (3x samsung 850pro's/860evo)

Unless you desperately need the higher transfer speed, I wouldn't get rid of the SATA SSDs. If they're in good condition, they're fine for a gaming / general use rig.

 

[Zazigalka]

Unless you desperately need the higher transfer speed, I wouldn't get rid of the SATA SSDs. If they're in good condition, they're fine for a gaming / general use rig.

1.5GB of precious MLC V-NAND is hard to come by these days. They're still on warranty if you believe it, bought in 2015, 850 Pro's had a 10 year period then. They're not even OS drives, keeping a few games from that era on them (Watch Dogs 2, Far Cry 4, AC Black Flag, The Division1+2, GR Wildlands and the like, back when Ubisoft games were still the s**t with "the"). God damn, I will have to replay some of them, especially Black Flag, Division, Wildlands and WD2, those were friggin kickass games.

 

[Ruru]

Personally I see no sense of getting rid of SATA drives just because they're "old technology". I still have 4 SATA SSDs myself and I'll just replace them with larger ones. I guess 4x 2TB would be enough for games even in the future.

 

[SIGSEGV]

I am not OP, but I have a similar question regarding choosing the AM5 board.
What is the best board between Asrock Taichi and Asus Crosshair Hero?

ASROCK Taichi X670 priced 527EUR
ASUS Crosshair X670 Hero priced 599EUR + cashback 45EUR

I tend to use this board for 9950X housing until 2027 (the end of life of AM5)