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The surprise?WINTEL has never ceased to be, what's with the surprises?
Show me the last time a new Windows version caused such gaming performance uplift, regardless of CPU brand.
The surprise?WINTEL has never ceased to be, what's with the surprises?
Processor | Ryzen 7 5800X3D |
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Motherboard | Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite |
Cooling | Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE |
Memory | 2x16 GB Crucial Ballistix 3600 CL16 Rev E @ 3800 CL16 |
Video Card(s) | RTX3080 Ti FE |
Storage | SX8200 Pro 1 TB, Plextor M6Pro 256 GB, WD Blue 2TB |
Display(s) | LG 34GN850P-B |
Case | SilverStone Primera PM01 RGB |
Audio Device(s) | SoundBlaster G6 | Fidelio X2 | Sennheiser 6XX |
Power Supply | SeaSonic Focus Plus Gold 750W |
Mouse | Endgame Gear XM1R |
Keyboard | Wooting Two HE |
The problem is no one is testing W10 22H2 against W11 24H2 so we don't even know if there is any performance drop on W10.I hope Win10 will get a similar update... And I wonder how it affects performance in applications.
Well except for L1. Yeah, one game, but I don't see a drop. Which begs the question, is that lack of bloat making up for the lack of branch prediction optimization?The problem is no one is testing W10 22H2 against W11 24H2 so we don't even know if there is any performance drop on W10.
System Name | HELLSTAR |
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Processor | AMD RYZEN 9 5950X |
Motherboard | ASUS Strix X570-E |
Cooling | 2x 360 + 280 rads. 3x Gentle Typhoons, 3x Phanteks T30, 2x TT T140 . EK-Quantum Momentum Monoblock. |
Memory | 4x8GB G.SKILL Trident Z RGB F4-4133C19D-16GTZR 14-16-12-30-44 |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire Pulse RX 7900XTX. Water block. Crossflashed. |
Storage | Optane 900P[Fedora] + WD BLACK SN850X 4TB + 750 EVO 500GB + 1TB 980PRO+SN560 1TB(W11) |
Display(s) | Philips PHL BDM3270 + Acer XV242Y |
Case | Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO |
Audio Device(s) | SMSL RAW-MDA1 DAC |
Power Supply | Fractal Design Newton R3 1000W |
Mouse | Razer Basilisk |
Keyboard | Razer BlackWidow V3 - Yellow Switch |
Software | FEDORA 41 |
The surprise?
Show me the last time a new Windows version caused such gaming performance uplift, regardless of CPU brand.
Processor | i5-6600K |
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Motherboard | Asus Z170A |
Cooling | some cheap Cooler Master Hyper 103 or similar |
Memory | 16GB DDR4-2400 |
Video Card(s) | IGP |
Storage | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB |
Display(s) | 2x Oldell 24" 1920x1200 |
Case | Bitfenix Nova white windowless non-mesh |
Audio Device(s) | E-mu 1212m PCI |
Power Supply | Seasonic G-360 |
Mouse | Logitech Marble trackball, never had a mouse |
Keyboard | Key Tronic KT2000, no Win key because 1994 |
Software | Oldwin |
Apart from that, the initial W11 release (or maybe the update to improve behaviour on Alder Lake?) had something broken on the red side, so Ryzen performance dropped a lot. I remember MS being quite open about that, and the issue was fixed in a month or so.It's similar problem to what Intel had with launch of Alder Lake on Windows 10.
Windows was unable to utilize new architecture properly, it was treating all cores as if they were the same, sometimes putting heavy load on e-cores.
Did Intel have time to work with Microsoft prior to launch of Alder Lake? Definitely. Did Microsoft have time to modify scheduler mechanism? Definitely.
Same applies to AMD's Zen 5 launch.
Yeah you have no answer, and you still don't get the surprise. Cute Windows bashing BTW, but you picked the wrong thread.What's the point? Windows only has offered performance degradation updates.
Processor | Intel i5-12600k |
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Motherboard | Asus H670 TUF |
Cooling | Arctic Freezer 34 |
Memory | 2x16GB DDR4 3600 G.Skill Ripjaws V |
Video Card(s) | EVGA GTX 1060 SC |
Storage | 500GB Samsung 970 EVO, 500GB Samsung 850 EVO, 1TB Crucial MX300 and 2TB Crucial MX500 |
Display(s) | Dell U3219Q + HP ZR24w |
Case | Raijintek Thetis |
Audio Device(s) | Audioquest Dragonfly Red :D |
Power Supply | Seasonic 620W M12 |
Mouse | Logitech G502 Proteus Core |
Keyboard | G.Skill KM780R |
Software | Arch Linux + Win10 |
Oh, I don't have a problem with that. It's just that AMD trying to make it look like this was a Zen5-only improvement seemed like they were trying to suggest Zen5 will be faster than Zen4 now.So people got what they were clamoring for since years... Comment sections around the world were filled with complaints that CPU/GPU manufacturers race for MHz and forget about efficiency, and how "everyone" would forgo massive performance jumps for good efficiency boosts. Fast forward to 2024 when AMD did just that (accidentally, after announcing massive performance boosts too, and partially failing to deliver) and people are unhappy that the CPU is "just" more efficient.
IMHO, a rereview could wait until the X870E chipset and Arrow Lake CPUs are released. That will give some time for optimizations and any more problems to be ironed out. We would then see the latest and greatest from AMD and Intel go head to head.W1zzard, will you re-test 9700X in games and 9950X in applications with Win11 24H2 update?
I know you have lot of work to do but it'd be really good to see the difference (former review vs. newer one).
Yeah, I get upset about what the Spanish did in the fifteen hundreds in my region tooEspecially those bribing OEMs to purchase only INTEL CPUs... but... unfortunately that's no conspiracy.
System Name | Personal Gaming Rig |
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Processor | Ryzen 7800X3D |
Motherboard | MSI X670E Carbon |
Cooling | MO-RA 3 420 |
Memory | 32GB 6000MHz |
Video Card(s) | RTX 4090 ICHILL FROSTBITE ULTRA |
Storage | 4x 2TB Nvme |
Display(s) | Samsung G8 OLED |
Case | Silverstone FT04 |
System Name | Nebulon B |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D |
Motherboard | MSi PRO B650M-A WiFi |
Cooling | be quiet! Dark Rock 4 |
Memory | 2x 24 GB Corsair Vengeance DDR5-4800 |
Video Card(s) | AMD Radeon RX 6750 XT 12 GB |
Storage | 2 TB Corsair MP600 GS, 2 TB Corsair MP600 R2 |
Display(s) | Dell S3422DWG, 7" Waveshare touchscreen |
Case | Kolink Citadel Mesh black |
Audio Device(s) | Logitech Z333 2.1 speakers, AKG Y50 headphones |
Power Supply | Seasonic Prime GX-750 |
Mouse | Logitech MX Master 2S |
Keyboard | Logitech G413 SE |
Software | Bazzite (Fedora Linux) KDE |
System Name | Lightbringer |
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Processor | Ryzen 7 2700X |
Motherboard | Asus ROG Strix X470-F Gaming |
Cooling | Enermax Liqmax Iii 360mm AIO |
Memory | G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32GB (8GBx4) 3200Mhz CL 14 |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire RX 5700XT Nitro+ |
Storage | Hp EX950 2TB NVMe M.2, HP EX950 1TB NVMe M.2, Samsung 860 EVO 2TB |
Display(s) | LG 34BK95U-W 34" 5120 x 2160 |
Case | Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic (White) |
Power Supply | BeQuiet Straight Power 11 850w Gold Rated PSU |
Mouse | Glorious Model O (Matte White) |
Keyboard | Royal Kludge RK71 |
Software | Windows 10 |
Intel was bribing OEMs in the 2000s and at a time when AMD was BEATING Intel in gaming and other performance metrics and their star was rising. Had Intel not engaged in their illegal, anti-competitive and anti-consumer behavior, AMD could have grown tremendously in that period and altered the course of history forever. Don't act like this was some inconsequential action, it could have cost AMD billions.Yeah, I get upset about what the Spanish did in the fifteen hundreds in my region too
Processor | Ryzen 5 7600X |
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Motherboard | Asus Proart B650 |
Cooling | Noctua U12S |
Memory | Corsair Vengeance DDR5 32GB (2x16GB) 5600MHz C36 AMD Expo |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire RX 7800 XT Nitro+ |
Storage | Samsung 990 Pro 1Tb |
Case | Fractal Design Pop Silent |
Audio Device(s) | Edifier r1900tII |
Power Supply | Seasonic Prime Platinum 650W |
I bet it was a way to say that it's in the past, not that he doesn't care.Don't act like this was some inconsequential action, it could have cost AMD billions.
What's most disturbing of all is that this LITERALLY hurt YOU as a consumer most and you seemingly don't care.....I
It's right there in the video, they're talking about an upcoming test.Yeah so many questions. As others said: What about Intel?
It's in the first link.Anyway so it's just 24H2 update, or is it a specific update FOR 24H2? Is 26100.1457 already benefiting from those fixes?
Processor | Ryzen 5 7600X |
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Motherboard | Asus Proart B650 |
Cooling | Noctua U12S |
Memory | Corsair Vengeance DDR5 32GB (2x16GB) 5600MHz C36 AMD Expo |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire RX 7800 XT Nitro+ |
Storage | Samsung 990 Pro 1Tb |
Case | Fractal Design Pop Silent |
Audio Device(s) | Edifier r1900tII |
Power Supply | Seasonic Prime Platinum 650W |
Thanks! In case anyone else missed it, there's a Youtube link in the original post here that includes some Intel testing as well from around 20:00:It's in the first link.
He did, just not with all the games.shame he didn’t do a reference test with an intel machine to see how that does under the patched up windows
Why don't we expand on the title?
"24H2 shows significant performance gains..." ...with certain CPUs and a 4090 in certain games at 1080p.
So what about all the other hardware/resolution combinations that 99.9% of people use?
Intel also got a huge boost too(for at least one game, possibly more but that wasn't tested.)WINTEL has never ceased to be, what's with the surprises?
I edited my reply to highlight that I wasn't talking about this review, but an upcoming one.Thanks!
Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 7700X |
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Motherboard | ASUS ROG Strix B650E-F |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15S Chromax Black |
Memory | G.Skill Flare X5 Series 64GB (2x32) DDR5-6000 CL30 |
Video Card(s) | MSI GeForce RTX™ 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24GB |
Storage | 1x Samsung 990 PRO 2TB SSD 2x Samsung 980 PRO 1TB SSD |
Display(s) | LG C9 65" 4K OLED TV |
Case | Corsair iCUE 4000X RGB Tempered Glass ATX Mid-Tower |
Power Supply | Corsair RMx Series RM1000x 1000 Watt 80 Plus Gold ATX Fully Modular |
Software | Windows 11 Pro |
The reason why I no longer care about what happened 20 years ago is because they were punished for it and the people responsible for it are no longer in the picture and AMD got a cool billion out of it and intel got a 400 million fine on top of it.Intel was bribing OEMs in the 2000s and at a time when AMD was BEATING Intel in gaming and other performance metrics and their star was rising. Had Intel not engaged in their illegal, anti-competitive and anti-consumer behavior, AMD could have grown tremendously in that period and altered the course of history forever. Don't act like this was some inconsequential action, it could have cost AMD billions.
What's most disturbing of all is that this LITERALLY hurt YOU as a consumer most and you seemingly don't care.....I try not to assume, but it almost seems like you might be an Intel fan that actually approves of this behavior despite the fact that it literally did not benefit you whatsoever and even hurt you as a consumer by reducing competition and therefore raising prices.
This isn't ancient history either as Intel still has their "joint development fund" where they basically throw cash at OEMs to keep AMD CPUs out of the best laptop models (despite the fact that AMDs mobile options have been far more efficient than Intel's in recent years)....again, this only hurts you as a consumer.
I know it must really annoy Intel fans, but the undeniable fact is that in a duopoly, the best situation for consumers is a 50%/50% split in marketshare. This just so happens to mean that at present, AMD capturing marketshare from Intel is OBJECTIVELY beneficial to ALL consumers, Intel fans included, with the inverse being bad for consumers.
If they showed that then people might realize any CPU will do for pretty much any modern gaming use case. Bar the people spending thousands for huge fps at 1080p and below.
System Name | Bragging Rights |
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Processor | Atom Z3735F 1.33GHz |
Motherboard | It has no markings but it's green |
Cooling | No, it's a 2.2W processor |
Memory | 2GB DDR3L-1333 |
Video Card(s) | Gen7 Intel HD (4EU @ 311MHz) |
Storage | 32GB eMMC and 128GB Sandisk Extreme U3 |
Display(s) | 10" IPS 1280x800 60Hz |
Case | Veddha T2 |
Audio Device(s) | Apparently, yes |
Power Supply | Samsung 18W 5V fast-charger |
Mouse | MX Anywhere 2 |
Keyboard | Logitech MX Keys (not Cherry MX at all) |
VR HMD | Samsung Oddyssey, not that I'd plug it into this though.... |
Software | W10 21H1, barely |
Benchmark Scores | I once clocked a Celeron-300A to 564MHz on an Abit BE6 and it scored over 9000. |
Wrong, in Linux/Workstation/Rendering/Server Workloads is much faster.Right. So Zen5 still isn't significantly faster than Zen4, only more power efficient.