Sony Reveals the PlayStation 5 Pro, Launches November 7th

[oxrufiioxo]

first DVD player I ever bought was a philips for around $480 in 98 I think. My girlfriend laughed at me asking WTF is a DVD and why would anyone spend that kind of money on one. Well who's laughing now because on ebay you can get a DVD player for...

Yeah, I got the PS3 at costco probably why I thought it was more expensive it was bundled with 2 games and a couple other things for 699.... Back when Costco use to do the bundles. Same with the 360 which thank god I did, mine got red ring before Microsoft was doing the exchanges so Costco swapped it.

 

[starfals]

Yeah, 700 is alot of a console. Remember the 700 bucks PS3? People made fun of Sony back then too lol. Amazing how everyone is mad at Sony, but nobody is mad at $1600(atm 2100) RTX 4090, or 1300 4080... Or EVen 800 bucks 4070 (euro prices baby!) If we had the same vocal people on our side, im sure Nvidia wouldn't pull these insane prices.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Yeah, 700 is alot of a console. Remember the 700 bucks PS3? People made fun of Sony back then too lol. Amazing how everyone is mad at Sony, but nobody is mad at $1600(atm 2100) RTX 4090, or 1300 4080... Or EVen 800 bucks 4070 (euro prices baby!) If we had the same vocal people on our side, im sure Nvidia wouldn't pull these insane prices.

Plenty of people rolled their eyes over the 4080 pricing at launch keep in mind these cards came out almost 2 years ago and are still faster than the PS5 pro though. At best we are looking at vanilla 4070 performance in raster and probably a bit weaker in RT with them hopefully finally catching DLSS with PSSR or at least coming close enough.....

 

[Ravenas]

Sony fanboys are having a meltdown and still believe that the PS5 Pro is a better value than a PC…but yet I see this here and found some PC parts that are comparable(except GPU and CPU as they are vastly superior)

RX6800(60 CUs like the PS5 Pro) $360
AMD Ryzen 5700x3D: $150
AM4 mother board :$75
Ram: $50
PSU: $100
2TB Storage SSD: $125(actually found some cheaper for less than $100 but let’s assume M.2)

Case: $50
BLU-Ray disk Drive: $70
Total: $855

PS5 Pro: $700
Vertical Stand: $30
Disk Drive: $80

Total cost: $810 Dollars and that doesn’t include PS+ to play online

I had to add a BLU-Ray drive just to make it fair and it’s ever so slightly more expensive but you get a whole lot more with the PC. Also most PC users don’t use BLU- Ray players(unless your like me and burn video onto BLU-Ray discs)

The PS5 Pro will hold its value as 1 piece versus all those pieces combined on the used market.

 

[trsttte]

It still resembles a DEHUMIDIFIER! with more grills to extract more humidity...

They really went all in with this stupid design. If that was not enough, they started selling side panels and then changed the design with the slim console, and now changed it again for the Pro model.

Here's to hoping the PS6 is more sensible.

In case anyone here cares.

I'm more interested in what features will be available in the regular model as well. Plenty of games (like all of them?) could run with higher frame rates at lower resolutions (1080p is still very common, and so is 1440p since they eventually decided to support it). The regular model can also do upscalling if they decide to let it which could further improve things, not to mention the improvements they allude to in PS4 games, the regular console could do most of that.

Will they allow it or will they restrict all this as a selling point of the Pro model? It would make business sense but it's very anti consumer (so yes )

nor addresses the low data throughput (lengthy installs)

And downloading that same game is fast? Fiber and high speed internet is still not nearly as common as some people seem to think.

Is that real??? Amazing!

There's others, not quite the same level but still awful

I mean the cheap bastards couldn't even toss in the vertical stand.

They did that with the slim as well, it's just ridiculous when the PS5 natural position is vertical (contrary to past consoles that defaulted to horizontal)

 

[Naito]

45% more performance for 56% more than a discless PS5! Tell him he's dreamin'

 

[f0ssile]

With improved RT and now by the looks of it, machine learning super sampling like DLSS, that $700 price tag is about the same as a 4070Ti with close to the same performance across all features. Not bad for a complete device.

It is rated as equivalent to the 7700XT in raster, based on the supposed frequency of 2GHz.

The 7700 XT is between the 4060 Ti and the 4070 Base in raster.

Why don't you say it has almost the same performance as a 4060 Ti?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

It is rated as equivalent to the 7700XT in raster, based on the supposed frequency of 2GHz.

The 7700 XT is between the 4060 Ti and the 4070 Base in raster.

Why don't you say it has almost the same performance as a 4060 Ti?

We don't know what architecture it's based on so it's hard to say still between the 45% uplift in raw perfomance it no longer needing to rely on FSR and the uplift in RT with some sort of dedicated hardware it's not crazy priced for a whole system. I doubt they are making much if any money on it and consoles haven't been sold at a loss since the PS360 days.

It's an APU after all I can't imagine them trying to make anything bigger than 60CU in 2024

Still nowhere near a 4070ti lol even the vanilla one.

The biggest letdown with it honestly is that it still uses Zen2 it's odd that upgrading to Zen 3 even would break compatibility but probably has to do with how their api works I guess.

 

[wheresmycar]

High GPU prices make the PS5 pro look like a reasonable option for gaming.

This ones down to individual buyer/budget... can't see most parents thrilled at the idea of forking out 700 bucks for their kids next Bday upgrade.

Son: DAAAD, the PS5 pro is coming out. We have to get it, pls pls pls

Dad: sure son...

(glancing at the price, a quick pause)

Dad: ...in 2030

 

[Dr. Dro]

Most PS5 games are on the disc with a few exceptions. What you've described is more indicative of Xbox Series physical titles. "Smart Delivery" isn't the great feature they make it out to be, at least if you are into physical games. The disc just tells the console which version of the game to download.

As for the topic, I literally broke out into laughter when I saw the PS5 Pro's pricing. It's over $800, pure insanity. Sony thinks they are slick. Passing off a $300 price increase as a $200 one. The all digital PS5 launched at $400. The all digital PS5 Pro is $700. I mean the cheap bastards couldn't even toss in the vertical stand. You'd think they launch along some game that shows what the hardware can do, but they've got nothing. Sony keeps blurring the line between PC and Console. The more expensive and complex they make their consoles, the less daunting PC gaming seems. Sony's trump card was their exclusive games but now they are porting those to PC. While that isn't a big deal for the casuals, it tells hardcore gamers like me to not buy your console.

Think about it logically, without the added emotion. This is a Pro console. It's advanced hardware which will clearly require higher resolution assets to achieve its goal of 8K-quality gaming. You'll be increasingly going against the limits of Blu-ray disc media, and even if by some miracle you compress an AAA under 100 GB of assets (quadruple capacity BD-XL media). Assuming the PS5 could read this at 16x BD speed, a consistent 68.6 MB/s (which it physically cannot due to how optical discs work), it would take. at a bare minimum, 24 minutes to install plus decompression time. High balling it a bit, i'd say 40 minutes if it is an optimal scenario with perfectly clean, defect-free media. Plus download, patching, etc. - Let's remember console audiences and the extra fragility of high-density optical storage.

Do you remember Final Fantasy XIII on the Xbox 360? It took 4 DVD's - against one Blu-ray disc on the PS3. Unless you're cool with these things returning (multi-disc, multi-risk!), I maintain that optical media is obsolete, irrespective of one's feelings towards physical media (which is completely stupid nowadays, let's demand that walled gardens and app store exclusivities be taken down instead). My proposal of coming up with NAND flash-based cartridges like the Nintendo Switch already does shouldn't spook anybody.

As for the recurrent "you don't own digital games", I'm still waiting on Valve to shutdown Steam and take them all

 

[oxrufiioxo]

High GPU prices make the PS5 pro look like a reasonable option for gaming.

This ones down to individual buyer/budget... can't see most parents thrilled at the idea of forking out 700 bucks for their kids next Bday upgrade.

Son: DAAAD, the PS5 pro is coming out. We have to get it, pls pls pls

Dad: sure son...

(glancing at the price, a quick pause)

Dad: ...in 2030

Idk man all my neighbors drive Tesla and 80K+ pickup trucks they probably wouldn't think twice about grabbing it for their kids.

If my kid was older I'd get him one for Xmas although if my wife let me I'd rather build him a 2000 usd pc lol.

Either way I'd like DF to build a 800 usd pc and compare it in gaming lol. I think it could be beaten for 1k though if somebody builds the pc themselves which is a lot more niche than people on this forum seem to think.

 

[Monkee]

I think Sony knows what they are doing. It has had massive PS5 sales since 2020. This new model will sell very well.

Considering the 40% price hike (60% in EU), its highly unlikely that the PS5 Pro will reach, or even approach, comparable sales figures.

 

[tommo1982]

Idk man all my neighbors drive Tesla and 80K+ pickup trucks they probably wouldn't think twice about grabbing it for their kids.

If my kid was older I'd get him one for Xmas although if my wife let me I'd rather build him a 2000 usd pc lol.

Either way I'd like DF to build a 800 usd pc and compare it in gaming lol. I think it could be beaten for 1k though if somebody builds the pc themselves which is a lot more niche than people on this forum seem to think.

Heh, you made my day. I imagined all those keyboard warriors, arguing about hardware specs and buying pre-built PC.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Heh, you made my day. I imagined all those keyboard warriors, arguing about hardware specs and buying pre-built PC.

Almost all the pc builds I do are for people who buy trash prebuilts and are wondering why their pc is shutting down on them literally 9/10 no joke lol. I'd say we are probably 3-5% of the total market and I'm being generous it's why you see so many people with 60 class gpus it's the go to for prebuilts.

 

[trsttte]

It's advanced hardware which will clearly require higher resolution assets to achieve its goal of 8K-quality gaming.

8K is a joke, even the PS6 is unlikely to be able to do it and there's barely any TV on the market than can display it. It's a cool marketing sticker I guess, but otherwise it's absulutely meaningless

Assuming the PS5 could read this at 16x BD speed, a consistent 68.6 MB/s (which it physically cannot due to how optical discs work)

That's equivalent to around a half gigabit network connection. Let's see...

Global: fastest fixed internet speed by country 2024 | Statista

As of July 2024, the United Arab Emirates (UAE) had the fastest average fixed broadband internet speed worldwide, with an average of 291.85 Mbps.

www.statista.com

How many countries are above half that? 4 and the US is not one of them (granted it's close), neither is Japan, or any European country, etc. Physical media is great, it's true we could do with a successor to BluRay but it's still pretty good and relatively cheap (compared to say flash)

 

[bonehead123]

Unless they are providing a lifetime (mine, not the machine) supply of cookies with this milk-based product, then it's a major m.E.h. IMHO

and fyi, I prefer chocolate chip/chunk, but might settle for chewy peanut butter too, hahahaha

 

[Dr. Dro]

8K is a joke, even the PS6 is unlikely to be able to do it and there's barely any TV on the market than can display it. It's a cool marketing sticker I guess, but otherwise it's absulutely meaningless

That's equivalent to around a half gigabit network connection. Let's see...

Global: fastest fixed internet speed by country 2024 | Statista

As of July 2024, the United Arab Emirates (UAE) had the fastest average fixed broadband internet speed worldwide, with an average of 291.85 Mbps.

www.statista.com

How many countries are above half that? 4 and the US is not one of them (granted it's close), neither is Japan, or any European country, etc. Physical media is great, it's true we could do with a successor to BluRay but it's still pretty good and relatively cheap (compared to say flash)

Sure, we know that. Now how else is Sony supposed to market this, plus their new "revolutionary" PSSR technology to the common normie who they are also trying their hardest to sell an 8K television to, despite the fact that almost no TV station or channel in the world broadcasts at that resolution.

As for the speed - that is assuming an absolute best case scenario - 16x and disregarding the optical media's geometry. It's gonna take a good while. High-density optical media is slow and fragile.

 

[tommo1982]

Sure, we know that. Now how else is Sony supposed to market this, plus their new "revolutionary" PSSR technology to the common normie who they are also trying their hardest to sell an 8K television to, despite the fact that almost no TV station or channel in the world broadcasts at that resolution.

As for the speed - that is assuming an absolute best case scenario - 16x and disregarding the optical media's geometry. It's gonna take a good while. High-density optical media is slow and fragile.

I'd prefer 1080p without upscaling. All the upscaling techniques remind me of DVD days and TV's trying to upscale it to 1080p. It was a joke then and so it is now.

 

[Makaveli]

Sony fanboys are having a meltdown and still believe that the PS5 Pro is a better value than a PC…but yet I see this here and found some PC parts that are comparable(except GPU and CPU as they are vastly superior)

RX6800(60 CUs like the PS5 Pro) $360
AMD Ryzen 5700x3D: $150
AM4 mother board :$75
Ram: $50
PSU: $100
2TB Storage SSD: $125(actually found some cheaper for less than $100 but let’s assume M.2)

Case: $50
BLU-Ray disk Drive: $70
Total: $855

PS5 Pro: $700
Vertical Stand: $30
Disk Drive: $80

Total cost: $810 Dollars and that doesn’t include PS+ to play online

I had to add a BLU-Ray drive just to make it fair and it’s ever so slightly more expensive but you get a whole lot more with the PC. Also most PC users don’t use BLU- Ray players(unless your like me and burn video onto BLU-Ray discs)

The RX6800 will probably have inferior RT performance and sony's AI upscaling should also be better than FSR.

The 5700X3d better cpu than whats in PS pro.

So there are some trade offs.

 

[Gooigi's Ex]

The PS5 Pro will hold its value as 1 piece versus all those pieces combined on the used market.

I see your point but $699 and it doesn’t have all the things a regular PS5 has(a drive and stand) you can make that same argument as it doesn’t have all of its pieces

Also, that RX 6800 is acutally brand new and you can get it at that price at Best Buy

the Ryzen 5700x3D is always under $200 on sale brand new

AM4 mother boards are dirt cheap and can be found for $75 brand new

in fact all of those items that I listed were BRAND NEW PARTS you can buy TODAY. Don’t get me started on used parts.

 

[mrnagant]

I don't think it is THAT expensive. After inflation, the PS1 was a $625 system. PS2 was a $600 system. It is honestly kind of amazing that the Series S could launch at the same price as the PS1 and PS2 did, and the PS5 discless costing only $100 more. Imagine if the Saturn being $100 more than the PS1 had the power advantage that the PS5 has over the Series S.

$600 discless and $700 disc would have been sweet, but also a $700 price tag is kinda alright. At that price I would not be surprised if Sony is selling it day 1 at a profit. I am sure the PS4Pro didn't sell well to warrant it's R&D and manufacturing cost, so it has to be offset with a higher Pro price. Think this $700 price tag is also a sign of why we haven't seen an MSRP price decrease from Nintendo, Sony or MS. Sure they go on sale, but no MSRP drop.

 

[Gooigi's Ex]

The RX6800 will probably have inferior RT performance and sony's AI upscaling should also be better than FSR.

The 5700X3d better cpu than whats in PS pro.

So there are some trade offs.

I mean…sure but FSR and DLSS is a requirement for RT so the PS5 having better RT while using PSSR is moot and you don’t need to use FSR for the RX 6800. You can use Intel XeSS and Loseless scaling on Steam

I'd prefer 1080p without upscaling. All the upscaling techniques remind me of DVD days and TV's trying to upscale it to 1080p. It was a joke then and so it is now.

EXACTLY! But people think is •MAGIC• when upscaling is used. People think compressed frames and fake resolution are better than native.

 

[Makaveli]

I mean…sure but FSR and DLSS is a requirement for RT so the PS5 having better RT while using PSSR is moot and you don’t need to use FSR for the RX 6800. You can use Intel XeSS and Loseless scaling on Steam


EXACTLY! But people think is •MAGIC• when upscaling is used. People think compressed frames and fake resolution are better than native.

FSR and DLSS is a requirement because performance tanks with RT. How does a 6800 which will have worse base RT performance than a PS5 Pro's gpu not need FSR?

And yes while XeSs is an option loseless scaling is inferior in quality to all 3.

 

[Gooigi's Ex]

FSR and DLSS is a requirement because performance tanks with RT. How does a 6800 which will have worse base RT performance than a PS5 Pro's gpu not need FSR?

And yes while XeSs is an option loseless scaling is inferior in quality to all 3.

Because the Regular PS5 is based on RDNA 2
which the RX 6800 is also based on. While everyone is comparing the PS5 Pro to the RX 7800XT, if the PS5 Pro is still using RDNA 2 Arch, it would basically be a modified RX 6800(60 CUs)with less bandwidth capacity for the GPU Just like the Xbox Series X GPU is loosely based on the RX6800(it has deactivated CUs)

Also, go take a look at the RX 6800 and the RX 7800 XT and tell me if you see a difference besides RDNA 2 vs RDNA 3

 

[Ravenas]

I see your point but $699 and it doesn’t have all the things a regular PS5 has(a drive and stand) you can make that same argument as it doesn’t have all of its pieces

Also, that RX 6800 is acutally brand new and you can get it at that price at Best Buy

the Ryzen 5700x3D is always under $200 on sale brand new

AM4 mother boards are dirt cheap and can be found for $75 brand new

in fact all of those items that I listed were BRAND NEW PARTS you can buy TODAY. Don’t get me started on used parts.

Agreed, however, it’s an item on the shelf that is accessible. It’s also sought after as noted by its MSRP and its resale value.

I think from the standpoint of cost to access, the alternative exists, however, is somewhat niche and a lot of people don’t want to deal with it.

The arguments surrounding disc are becoming dated, and PC users know this more than ever. Sony recently shut down their disc development team. I’m very interested in the ML aspects.

It’s a good piece of hardware that would offer accessible enjoyment to almost anyone. Would I rather have my own built console and save money on cost and subscriptions, yes, but I’m in the niche of users who want a PC in their living room. In contrast, the competitor is not even attempting to compete.