Intel Planning P-core Only "Bartlett" LGA1700 Processor for 2025

[FoulOnWhite]

I wonder if Bartlett will end up coming before 25. After the 13/14th gen troubles as a kinda look at the hand thing

 

[Wolverine2349]

I wonder if Bartlett will end up coming before 25. After the 13/14th gen troubles as a kinda look at the hand thing

I wonder too. Would be great if they release the 12 P core version soon. Only if it can be stable and not degrade. I will be happy with 5GHz all core and ring 4.6GHz and 7000 DDR5 rock stable all work loads no degradation and lasts a long time continuing to be rock stable if they can do that and release it in 2024?

 

[Wolverine2349]

Oh you absolutely do need more than 8 for gaming. Check the new game once human for example, it absolutely hammers 8core chips

Is that really true in any areas of that game Human?

Its weird given Once Human only minimum requires an i5 4460 and recommends an i7-7700 both of which are only 4 cores one with better IPC and HT being the 7700. So it really struggles with 8 and HT??

What about other games. Any need or big benefit from more than 8 cores even in 4K?

I have heard so many conflicting stories on this?

 

[Wolverine2349]

Based on some very surface level googling it appears that the game has a problem with real-time rendering of shaders. That would, aside being a massive fail for the devs, work just as fine on the E-cores.

I think fevgatos was just making a general assumption that you need more than 8 cores for gaming. Someone stating they did not know what the point of the chips were. I mean yes the e-cores can handle games that need more cores and do not have the scheduling issues just fine.

But many gamers do not want hybrid or dual CCD setups so stick to 8 P core only models with SMT/HT (7800X3D, 7700X, 5800X3D) or Intel 12th to 14th Gen with e-cores disabled) and if a 12 P core came about, many gamers who want no scheduling or heterogenous or dual CCD would jump on it with such a game example of desiring more than 8 cores.

But I have not heard anything since about this Bartlett Lake so not sure how much legs this rumor has.

 

[OneSorcerer]

I wonder if Bartlett will end up coming before 25. After the 13/14th gen troubles as a kinda look at the hand thing

10 p core would be a nice uplift from my 12600kf *.*

 

[iameatingjam]

Now if they release BTL with at least 48MB L3 Cache, they're aiming at the upcoming 9800X3D.

They might wanna increase that amount to 64MB if they'd rather be safe than sorry, although they've always acted skimpy when it comes to the Cache capacity. They needed AMD for the push!

I... Don't see how that would be possible. Don't forget... This is the same node. There's even variants with ecores that use that same die (b0) at least according to the rumours ( So essentially another refresh). In all likelihood they are just switching out the ecore clusters for pcores as they are about the same size. How are they gonna double the l3 cache? I mean hardware unboxed even showed that with Intel's architecture, cache isn't even the bottleneck in games.

 

[OneSorcerer]

I... Don't see how that would be possible. Don't forget... This is the same node. There's even variants with ecores that use that same die (b0) at least according to the rumours ( So essentially another refresh). In all likelihood they are just switching out the ecore clusters for pcores as they are about the same size. How are they gonna double the l3 cache? I mean hardware unboxed even showed that with Intel's architecture, cache isn't even the bottleneck in games.

Any room for cache increase/improvements?

 

[Dr. Dro]

Any room for cache increase/improvements?

Looks like it's based on Raptor Cove (improved Golden Cove design, so very unlikely. The extra four P-cores occupy a space similar to the sixteen E-cores on the current i9's, so there is not much room for improvement there.

Still, if Intel releases a 12P CPU with all AVX-512 extensions enabled, it'll make for a fine Core non-Ultra Series 2 processor line.

 

[OneSorcerer]

Looks like it's based on Raptor Cove (improved Golden Cove design, so very unlikely. The extra four P-cores occupy a space similar to the sixteen E-cores on the current i9's, so there is not much room for improvement there.

Still, if Intel releases a 12P CPU with all AVX-512 extensions enabled, it'll make for a fine Core non-Ultra Series 2 processor line.

ty, it will still be a worthy upgrade

 

[iameatingjam]

Looks like it's based on Raptor Cove (improved Golden Cove design, so very unlikely. The extra four P-cores occupy a space similar to the sixteen E-cores on the current i9's, so there is not much room for improvement there.

Still, if Intel releases a 12P CPU with all AVX-512 extensions enabled, it'll make for a fine Core non-Ultra Series 2 processor line.

I totally didn't even think about that. Maybe this will end up rocketing to the top of the RPCS3 cpu tier list.

 

[Wolverine2349]

Is there any confirmed report that a 12 P core variant on a ring bus and/or Bartlett Lake in general is actually even coming. There has been like no news at all since this. Its so quiet??

 

[Wirko]

Is there any confirmed report that a 12 P core variant on a ring bus and/or Bartlett Lake in general is actually even coming. There has been like no news at all since this. Its so quiet??

Intel isn't going to develop a new chip just for a small part of the DIY market, it's not profitable enough. But... Maybe they see a market niche in low end servers and think they can fill it with a 12 P-core CPU. They send the chip to enthusiasts first as a Core (packaged in black) for a few months of field testing, then if everything is OK, launch it as a Xeon too.

 

[Wolverine2349]

Intel isn't going to develop a new chip just for a small part of the DIY market, it's not profitable enough. But... Maybe they see a market niche in low end servers and think they can fill it with a 12 P-core CPU. They send the chip to enthusiasts first as a Core (packaged in black) for a few months of field testing, then if everything is OK, launch it as a Xeon too.

Is that why we are not hearing more news on it. Is it that they do not intend to do it. It was only rumor.

Or maybe the small server segment that wants a ring bus and AVX512 than package it as enthusiast :LGA 1700 chip as a beta test run for us gamers niche who want more than 8 P cores and all such cores on one die of homogenous arch and if it works good produce more for small server and network edge market.

Maybe they intend to use us as a beta test run which could mean even worse problems when they milk us as we run out to buy it the chip we so waited for that never was made and they scrap it and hang up on our RMA requests when it degrades like a paper tiger and has stability issues like the current 8 + 16 chips do. And I am skeptical even of the microcode update.

But a new 12 + 0 die on a ring bus maybe its good. I may be wiling to take that risk.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Intel isn't going to develop a new chip just for a small part of the DIY market, it's not profitable enough. But... Maybe they see a market niche in low end servers and think they can fill it with a 12 P-core CPU. They send the chip to enthusiasts first as a Core (packaged in black) for a few months of field testing, then if everything is OK, launch it as a Xeon too.

Bartlett is supposed to be a chip meant for edge computing, developed by Intel NEX - but since there is clearly interest in LGA 1700, I believe Intel should make the effort to release Bartlett - particularly considering they could use the profits from shifting more chips and as long as that is executed right - they'll be very easily pardoned by the Raptor blunders

 

[64K]

My take is that Intel is scrambling to recover right now. This is just another thing that's up in the air. It would be interesting to me at least to see how these CPUs could perform in gaming but I admit my faith in Intel is a bit shaken right now and the 7800X3D is a great CPU for gaming anyway if nothing comes from this all P-core chip in the end.

 

[iameatingjam]

My take is that Intel is scrambling to recover right now. This is just another thing that's up in the air. It would be interesting to me at least to see how these CPUs could perform in gaming but I admit my faith in Intel is a bit shaken right now and the 7800X3D is a great CPU for gaming anyway if nothing comes from this all P-core chip in the end.

I don't even get why it would be beneficial for gaming, I mean maybe a little in some cases where the game scales really well with cores.

But we know most games are made for consoles with 8 cores and the best PC gaming cpu has 8 cores. It will certainly do worse in multi-threaded performance. Still... A lot of people seem to really not like ecores so that alone might sell a good amount of chips.

I'm sure there's some niche use cases where it would be beneficial, otherwise why would they make it? I heard networking, but not sure about that.