5500 XT or GTX 1650 for old PC?

[lexluthermiester]

How about Molex? Or a SATA splitter?

I work on these kinds of systems frequently. Hodge-podging a bunch of wires around can work, but can be messy and even get janky. If I were hands-on with the system, a splitter cable might work and I might try it. But not over the internet and not for a user that many not be experienced with cable jankery. The PSU is the other main limitation. It's 320W 12V. HP's way of doing the 12V standard is itself a bit janky, though still within spec.

So again, whatever card the OP gets needs to be PCIe slot powered. Let's keep things simple for them.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

An RX 6400 is a great choice. It's easy 50% faster than a GTX 1050. Will require no special cables, PSU is fine, fits the CPU capability just fine.
Otherwise the platform isn't worth putting any more coin into anyways. Not for a PSU, certainly not for a 3050.

 

[lexluthermiester]

An RX 6400 is a great choice.

Let's test that statement.

It's easy 50% faster than a GTX 1050.

Oh?

Radeon RX 6400 vs Radeon RX 6500 vs GeForce GTX 1050 Ti vs GeForce GTX 1650 vs GeForce RTX 3050 6GB [videocardbenchmark.net] by PassMark Software

That's not 50%, even when compared to the RX6500.
And here's the least expensive RX6400 I could find;

AMD RX 6400 4GB OEM HP Graphics Card GPU Single slot | eBay

<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">Upgrade your gaming experience with this OEM HP AMD RX 6400 Graphics Card. With 4GB GDDR6 memory and multiple monitor support, you can enjoy smooth gameplay and enhanced visuals.</p> <br> <p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">The...

www.ebay.com

$120
So not a good value when compared to a 1050ti at $60. The 1650 edges out the RX6400 and RX6500 in performance for the same price as a 6400. Then the RTX 3050 kicks the 6400/6500 in the goolies for only $60 more.

The RX6400 is a poor recommendation.

Otherwise the platform isn't worth putting any more coin into anyways.

How about we let the OP decide what is worth it to them. They came here asking for options and opinions, not for instructions on ditching what they just recently bought.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Let's test that statement.

Oh?

Radeon RX 6400 vs Radeon RX 6500 vs GeForce GTX 1050 Ti vs GeForce GTX 1650 vs GeForce RTX 3050 6GB [videocardbenchmark.net] by PassMark Software

View attachment 366043
That's not 50%, even when compared to the RX6500.
And here's the least expensive RX6400 I could find;

AMD RX 6400 4GB OEM HP Graphics Card GPU Single slot | eBay

<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">Upgrade your gaming experience with this OEM HP AMD RX 6400 Graphics Card. With 4GB GDDR6 memory and multiple monitor support, you can enjoy smooth gameplay and enhanced visuals.</p> <br> <p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">The...

www.ebay.com

$120
So not a good value when compared to a 1050ti at $60. The 1650 edges out the RX6400 and RX6500 in performance for the same price as a 6400. Then the RTX 3050 kicks the 6400/6500 in the goolies for only $60 more.

The RX6400 is a poor recommendation.


How about we let the OP decide what is worth it to them. They came here asking for options and opinions, not for instructions on ditching what they just recently bought.

And rtx 3050 requires an 8 pin eps connector....

So get a new psu you must also propose to the OP.

Then let him make his own decision. Right back atcha fella.

 

[jak_2456]

So get a new psu you must also propose to the OP

That won't be easy. The PC has a proprietary power supply.

 

[Lew Zealand]

An RX 6400 is a great choice. It's easy 50% faster than a GTX 1050. Will require no special cables, PSU is fine, fits the CPU capability just fine.
Otherwise the platform isn't worth putting any more coin into anyways. Not for a PSU, certainly not for a 3050.

In games and tests I've done the 6400 is 20-30% faster than a 1050 Ti with both in a PCIe 3.0 system so 30-50% is reasonable since there's also the 2-4GB VRAM difference.

And rtx 3050 requires an 8 pin eps connector....

So get a new psu you must also propose to the OP.

Most people here are mentioning the 3050-6GB which is slot-powered, I'm pretty sure that's what Lex was referring to.

 

[lexluthermiester]

And rtx 3050 requires an 8 pin eps connector....

No, it does not. The 3050 8GB requires a PCIe power connector, but the standard 6GB version does not. If you had looked at the link I provided and the screen shot I showed from the Passmark list, you would have seen that.

So get a new psu you must also propose to the OP.

That's not going to happen.

Then let him make his own decision. Right back atcha fella.

Please stop reacting with your ego. It's not helpful.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

No, it does not. The 3050 8GB requires a PCIe power connector, but the standard 6GB version does not. If you had looked at the link I provided and the screen shot I showed from the Passmark list, you would have seen that.


That's not going to happen.


Please stop reacting with your ego. It's not helpful.

Yeah, I give what I get. And when you figure that out, we won't have issues.

I had a PNY RTX 3050 which requires an 8 pin connector. Would you like links to the benchmarks.

Heck I can supply you guys benchmarks for most of all the cards mentioned in this thread. I can supply performance figures and not review links.

Would that be helpful to share my opinion this way??

 

[Macro Device]

but the standard 6GB version

The 8 GB is the standard. The 6 GB version is a spin-off.

But true. 3056 and 1650G6 are the best solutions to this issue if we don't change the PSU.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Yeah, I give what I get. And when you figure that out, we won't have issues.

When you start paying attention to detail, stop giving bad advice and stop reacting with your ego, we'll get along fine.

I had a PNY RTX 3050 which requires an 8 pin connector.

Not all versions of the 3050 card require that. Most of the 6GB versions run on PCIe bus power. It's one of the main features and selling points. This is why I provided example links earlier, so the OP can get a good idea what to look for in their area of the world if they're not stateside.

The 8 GB is the standard. The 6 GB version is a spin-off.

You've got that backwards. The 3050 6GB was the first and main model. The 8GB version came later and is the enhanced version.

But true. 3056 and 1650G6 are the best solutions to this issue if we don't change the PSU.

Agreed.

@arc2350
If money is tight(and no shame from us if it is, economic times are tough), the GTX1650 is the card you would be best served by. If things are really tough, the 1050ti I linked about is also a solid option. But if you can afford it, the RTX3050 would be an excellent match for that system.

 

[Macro Device]

The 3050 6GB was the first and main model. The 8GB version came later and is the enhanced version.

So 2024-02-02 happened PRIOR to 2022-01-04. NOTED.

 

[Lew Zealand]

The 8 GB is the standard. The 6 GB version is a spin-off.

But true. 3056 and 1650G6 are the best solutions to this issue if we don't change the PSU.

And I'd argue strongly for the 3056 because more cores + more VRAM + DLSS elevates it well above all others and IMO justifies the cost. Assuming that cost is affordable to the OP.

DLSS is the real feature here as at the lowest end, 1080p low fps, is where the better quality tech separates from the field. FSR 3 has been notably improved in some recent games and looks very good at 4K and can look good at 1440p but 1080p is not the best use for that tech. DLSS is very good in all supported games even at 1080p.

 

[lexluthermiester]

So 2024-02-02 happened PRIOR to 2022-01-04. NOTED.
View attachment 366062

Link?

EDIT;
Nevermind, found it

TechPowerUp

Graphics card and GPU database with specifications for products launched in recent years. Includes clocks, photos, and technical details.

www.techpowerup.com

Looks like you were right. However you failed to do a proper screenshot which reveals more info.

Regardless, none of that means anything for the OP. What matters is what they can make work in their system and what performs best. And that is info I didn't make a mistake on.

 

[Macro Device]

Link?

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050 6 GB Specs

NVIDIA GA107, 1470 MHz, 2304 Cores, 72 TMUs, 32 ROPs, 6144 MB GDDR6, 1750 MHz, 96 bit

www.techpowerup.com

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050 8 GB Specs

NVIDIA GA106, 1777 MHz, 2560 Cores, 80 TMUs, 32 ROPs, 8192 MB GDDR6, 1750 MHz, 128 bit

www.techpowerup.com

Even the entry number of the 8 GB version is lower, suggesting it being released earlier.

FSR 2 and 3 have been notably improved in some recent games

VERY FAR FROM ENOUGH.

DLSS is very good in all supported games even at 1080p.

I'm not the one you should be writing this to. I'm an avid upscaling enthusiast. Peddling with XeSS and FSR configs is my hobby.

 

[Marcus L]

Let's test that statement.

Oh?

Radeon RX 6400 vs Radeon RX 6500 vs GeForce GTX 1050 Ti vs GeForce GTX 1650 vs GeForce RTX 3050 6GB [videocardbenchmark.net] by PassMark Software

View attachment 366043
That's not 50%, even when compared to the RX6500.
And here's the least expensive RX6400 I could find;

AMD RX 6400 4GB OEM HP Graphics Card GPU Single slot | eBay

<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">Upgrade your gaming experience with this OEM HP AMD RX 6400 Graphics Card. With 4GB GDDR6 memory and multiple monitor support, you can enjoy smooth gameplay and enhanced visuals.</p> <br> <p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">The...

www.ebay.com

$120
So not a good value when compared to a 1050ti at $60. The 1650 edges out the RX6400 and RX6500 in performance for the same price as a 6400. Then the RTX 3050 kicks the 6400/6500 in the goolies for only $60 more.

The RX6400 is a poor recommendation.


How about we let the OP decide what is worth it to them. They came here asking for options and opinions, not for instructions on ditching what they just recently bought.

Really? in all but DX12 the 6500 is ahead of the 1650, TPU rates it 25% faster on average as well, stop talking shit

AMD Radeon RX 6500 XT Specs

AMD Navi 24, 2815 MHz, 1024 Cores, 64 TMUs, 32 ROPs, 4096 MB GDDR6, 2248 MHz, 64 bit

www.techpowerup.com

 

[Lew Zealand]

Link?

I always search the TPU reviews here as W1zz usually reviews within days if not hours of release. So the 3050 8GB is the original and the 3050 6GB is the cut down derivative introduced later, same as the 3060 12GB is the original and the 3060 8GB is the cut down derivative introduced later.

 

[izy]

I would search for an i7-5775c too, maybe you can find a cheap one.

 

[Lew Zealand]

I would search for an i7-5775c too, maybe you can find a cheap one.

The problem is that big OEMs like HP and Dell do not release BIOS updates to support CPUs the machine didn't originally ship with. i7-4790K is the best CPU they will likely be able to use but I wonder how much it'd be worth spending on such an old system. It could be that a used GTX 1650 GDDR5 might sell as such a discount that it ends up being the most reasonable purchase.

Edit: There's a 1650 D6 on eBay BIN for $66 from a decent high volume seller. As much as I like the 3056, IMO this is the best choice for the $.
Edit 2: The base Ventus has a 6-pin connector?? NVM, $80 is cheapest for a slot-powered only. Still a decent price.

 

[lexluthermiester]

stop talking shit

Please grow up.

Really? in all but DX12 the 6500 is ahead of the 1650, TPU rates it 25% faster on average as well

AMD Radeon RX 6500 XT Specs

AMD Navi 24, 2815 MHz, 1024 Cores, 64 TMUs, 32 ROPs, 4096 MB GDDR6, 2248 MHz, 64 bit

www.techpowerup.com

That is the XT model which REQUIRES PCIe power cable connector, which the OP's system DOES NOT HAVE!

 

[Marcus L]

Please grow up.

That is the XT model which REQUIRES PCIe power cable connector, which the OP's system DOES NOT HAVE!

There is no non-XT version, what you smoking?

 

[ShrimpBrime]

When you start paying attention to detail, stop giving bad advice and stop reacting with your ego, we'll get along fine.


Not all versions of the 3050 card require that. Most of the 6GB versions run on PCIe bus power. It's one of the main features and selling points. This is why I provided example links earlier, so the OP can get a good idea what to look for in their area of the world if they're not stateside.


You've got that backwards. The 3050 6GB was the first and main model. The 8GB version came later and is the enhanced version.


Agreed.

@arc2350
If money is tight(and no shame from us if it is, economic times are tough), the GTX1650 is the card you would be best served by. If things are really tough, the 1050ti I linked about is also a solid option. But if you can afford it, the RTX3050 would be an excellent match for that system.

Enhanced model? what are you talking about?

1 exceeds 75w power and has 2 more GB of memory which is desired for gaming and you want to suggest an entry level card without power and I'm not allowed too? Because YOU said so, then try to banter me about ego? Please homeslice.

It's a 4th Gen Intel. Anything beyond a 6400 would be a waste of money. A G6900 would shit all over that setup. Wanna know how I know? Because I've used them all. Litterally a modern dual core beats snot out of a i5 4570 and you want to suggest a 3050.

Hey that's cool, a 3050 is a great card. It's just the cpu is so weak, it's not worth that kind of upgrade when the CPU is the problem DX9 1080P gaming. Which I'd think you'd know that, and hopefully appreciate my point of views and opinions while I'm not paying attention.

Anyways, I didn't come in to argue semantics of the OP's choices. I'm just sharing my opinion on the matter, I'm sorry you don't agree. I really don't care.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Context is important. Some of you folks are missing it and none of this silly twaddle is helping the OP.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Context is important. Some of you folks are missing it and none of this silly twaddle is helping the OP.

I agree unfortunately, but you could just say that I have a valid point, CPU is just as bad the issue as the GPU. It's just too dated to really call viable gaming.

I would full heartedly suggest saving money and replacing the platform. What's wrong with that Lex? I mean really.

 

[Deleted member 242843]

So full-height cards. Nice. Well, in that case just about any lower range card will work. Go for whatever your budget can handle. with a 320w power supply you can do any bus-powered card. 6500xt, 3050, 5500xt, just basically all of the above......would be a fine choice.

@lexluthermiester

Full-height all along......

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Here's a little comparison screen shot.
RTX 3050 8gb with 8pin EPS power (so not the slower slotted card) vs an RX 6500XT
GTX 1650 vs RX 6400
13700K cpu 5.4ghz/5.5ghz clock frequencies.
An i5 4570 these scores would be at least halved.

Yes a 6400 is a slower GPU. But the CPU won't be too much bottleneck for it.
The bottleneck is when your frame rates don't go up when you see the card under 100% usage.
That's what happens with larger modern cards and old CPUs.

My scores on the right column.
And of course the list continues on. Just figured start with the top 10 or 12 or so.
Maybe this will help better. Hoping anyways.
(Yes the video cards may be possibly overclocked as well) edit: Ok, they are for sure overcocked. lol