so whats with evga?

[Bill_Bright]

Oof. I got EVGA power supplies with warranties ending in about 2031. And if they go bankrupt and assets are sold off to creditors then...?

There are too many variables and not enough information now.

For example, laws in different countries are different. The type of company is a factor too. For some, the owner's personal assets are separate and protected. In other types of businesses, the owner (or former owner) may be held liable for years to come.

Going out of business is the same thing as going bankrupt. And there are different types of bankruptcies - some involving restructuring, some involving merging or being bought by other companies, some involving shutting doors.

Going out of business or even declaring bankruptcy does NOT automatically mean the company is in over their head, or in debt. A company simply might decide they no longer wish to do business. Or they may see they will not be able to meet obligations down the road. They may still have more assets than they do liabilities, more than enough to pay off any creditors, taxes, etc. - once everything is liquidated.

They could have lots tied up in facilities and equipment, but not enough cash to pay the bills.

Typically warranties are considered as liabilities the must be honored - "if" possible.

If another company assumes ownership, the new company will assume responsibility of honoring any warranties.

And in a bankruptcy, the courts can mandate warranties be honored or in some other way, the consumer be compensated - at least partially.

In any case - it is too early to tell right now what will happen.

I will say, however, if in the executive offices at EVGA they see they will be closing up shop in the near future, I would think they would change their warranty clauses now - at least for in those countries with decent consumer protection laws.

I have n EVGA power supply that is known to be bad

That video is from 3 years ago. If your unit is still working, it is not bad.

A bad review or some failing samples does not mean every unit is "bad". Reading many of the comments for that video, many users report theirs is working fine after 3, 5 and even 7 years.

Truth be told (what a concept, huh?) electronics in general are very reliable - if not abused. Those of us who have been around for awhile surely have seen budget Dells, E-machines, Compaqs, HPs, and no-names with super cheap, poorly designed Deers, Best and no-name generic PSUs that have been chugging along for 10, 12 or even more years! Some in cases that have never ever been opened up for cleaning and are caked with carpet fuzz and all kinds of evil and scary things.

Even the best models from the most reliable brands have units that fail. We really need to be realistic here and put emotions and especially biases aside.

 

[Shrek]

That guy on the video (Aris Mpitziopoulos) IS Cybernetics
Cybenetics Labs – PSU Efficiency & Noise Level Certifications
and correctly identified the bridge rectifier as only good to 3A without a heatsink (500W implies more than 3A at 110V)

So the supply is good unless pushed to full load; I replaced the single bridge rectifier on mine with two (there is room on the board) rather than figure out a heatsink.

The single uncooled bridge rectifier may have been intentional as hot electronics tends to be more efficient.

 

[dirtyferret]

Oof. I got EVGA power supplies with warranties ending in about 2031. And if they go bankrupt and assets are sold off to creditors then...?

"if" they go bankrupt, a warranty is considered an unsecured claim. EVGA is a private company with no shareholders so whatever the internal situation is there, it does not sound good. Layoffs, out of stock items, no SW updates all point to bad things. There are reddit posts about their demise but I don't know much about their overall current situation. All I know is they are done in the PSU segment.

 

[R-T-B]

They are dead.

They aren't dead yet, as Bill correctly points out, but I would be cautious around them until we know more about their future plans and potential to exist (and especially regarding expecting any "10+ year warranties" to stick).

 

[Dr. Dro]

That video is from 3 years ago. If your unit is still working, it is not bad.

A bad review or some failing samples does not mean every unit is "bad". Reading many of the comments for that video, many users report theirs is working fine after 3, 5 and even 7 years.

3 years for a power supply is an abysmal run if it's already dead or dying by that mark. But there's no defense of these products brother. They're just not something EVGA should have ever sold IMO. With a 30°C temperature rating, such low conversion efficiency, outdated and inefficient topology, next to no protection features, and unreliable configuration, these power supplies practically exemplify the problem with selling trash under a reputable brand.

That guy on the video (Aris Mpitziopoulos) IS Cybernetics
Cybenetics Labs – PSU Efficiency & Noise Level Certifications
and correctly identified the bridge rectifier as only good to 3A without a heatsink (500W implies more than 3A at 110V)

So the supply is good unless pushed to full load; I replaced the bridge rectifier on mine with two (there is room on the board) rather than figure out a heatsink.

The single uncooled bridge rectfier may have been intentional as hot electronics tends to be more efficient.

He was also TPU's own specialized reviewer, also worked with Tom's Hardware and other reputable publications. I said on the other thread and repeat it here, I take what Aris says about PSUs as law

 

[Shrek]

He was also TPU's own specialized reviewer, also worked with Tom's Hardware and other reputable publications. I said on the other thread and repeat it here, I take what Aris says about PSUs as law

I think he was also active on JonnyGuru when it was still around.

 

[dirtyferret]

I think he was also active on JonnyGuru when it was still around.

He was active on the forums there as were a number of other PSU reviewers on other sites. Shame it went away as a "lot" of knowledge went away with that forum.

 

[Bill_Bright]

3 years for a power supply is an abysmal run if it's already dead or dying by that mark.

Gee whiz, dude. You really have it in for EVGA, don't you? You are so biased, you've blinded yourself to what others actually say and then deceptively conclude they said something else. That is really sad.

NO WHERE did I say or imply 3 years is good so stop twisting other's words around in your pathetic attempt to make your biased position look correct.
Even your own words there don't support your own biased position. Of course "IF" it is already dead or dying at 3 years, that supply is bad. But that is not what I said, is it?

You even quoted me. Did you read it? I said, "If your unit is still working, it is not bad." I didn't say it was a good supply. I said it is "not bad".

FTR, I am and always have been a strong proponent for using quality supplies from reputable makers in our computers - repeatedly using the analogy of cheap fuel in a new Porsche to illustrate, or how everything inside the case depends on good, clean stable power.

But that in no way means a low-quality, entry-level, cheap supply is incapable of supporting a computer's power needs adequately, for years and years - history and the facts have shown us over and over again, they often can and do, much to our chagrin.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Gee whiz, dude. You really have it in for EVGA, don't you? You are so biased, you've blinded yourself to what others actually say and then deceptively conclude they said something else. That is really sad.

You're exaggerating, man. Maybe my wording wasn't as concise as it should have been but, I'm just saying that 3 years isn't good, it's not even the bare minimum for a PSU's life expectancy. It has nothing to do with EVGA...

 

[Bill_Bright]

You're exaggerating, man.

Not even. There are two running threads on EVGA PSUs where you have done little more than criticize EVERTHING EVGA does, from PSUs to graphics cards to motherboards, to support - pages and pages of your repeating criticisms. We get it, dude.

I'm just saying that 3 years isn't good.

And no one said it was. Yet the truth is, while there have been units that died prematurely, most are still working - as noted by several other posters in these threads who reported getting 5 and 7 years service, and more.

It has nothing to do with EVGA...

LOL - yeah right. You just specifically said "EVGA" when you said,

But there's no defense of these products brother. They're just not something EVGA should have ever sold

But, hey! No exaggeration, right?

Time to move on.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Not even. There are two running threads on EVGA PSUs where you have done little more than criticize EVERTHING EVGA does, from PSUs to graphics cards to motherboards, to support - pages and pages of your repeating criticisms. We get it, dude.

And no one said it was. Yet the truth is, while there have been units that died prematurely, most are still working - as noted by several other posters in these threads who reported getting 5 and 7 years service, and more.

LOL - yeah right. You just specifically said "EVGA" when you said,

But, hey! No exaggeration, right?

Time to move on.

Well, have they done anything praiseworthy of late? I'm not sure they have. What I meant is that 3 years is below minimum expectation for a PSU's lifetime regardless of brand, and that EVGA shouldn't have relabeled these and sold such garbage under their otherwise reputable brand. Right now, EVGA's just a name we have fond memories of. Which is a damn shame.

 

[dirtyferret]

What I meant is that 3 years is below minimum expectation for a PSU's lifetime regardless of brand, and that EVGA shouldn't have relabeled these and sold such garbage under their otherwise reputable brand.

Corsair and Seasonic have done the same as have other brands. In fact EVGA has released 1yr warranty PSU in the past. It's a business decision to reach specific market segments who either A) can't afford what we consider "quality' PSU or B) won't spend the money on higher quality units to begin with.

In the end if you don't like it, don't buy it. I don't hold it against these brands to sell as many products as they can at various price points, in fact it actually helps keep costs down for the better stuff. Not sure the whole point of the back and worth about it.

 

[Vario]

I know this is an old thread but I wanted to mention that EVGA has recently published beta bios for Z690/Z790 to include the updated microcode fixes for intel 13th gen.

BETA BIOS for Z790 0x12B Microcode Update & ME Firmware Update - 10/10/2024 - EVGA Forums

Dear EVGA Community, Thank you everyone for your patience while our team worked on the updates per Intel for the Z790 motherboards. These updates include the latest 0x12B Microcode and the Intel ME Firmware Update (16.1.32.2473). This BIOS is considered BETA, and we only recommend fla...

forums.evga.com

BETA BIOS for Z690 0x12B Microcode Update & ME Firmware Update - 10/10/2024 - EVGA Forums

Dear EVGA Community, Thank you everyone for your patience while our team worked on the updates per Intel for the Z690 motherboards. These updates include the latest 0x12B Microcode and the Intel ME Firmware Update (16.1.32.2473). This BIOS is considered BETA, and we only recommend fla...

forums.evga.com

 

[Dr. Dro]

I know this is an old thread but I wanted to mention that EVGA has recently published beta bios for Z690/Z790 to include the updated microcode fixes for intel 13th gen.

BETA BIOS for Z790 0x12B Microcode Update & ME Firmware Update - 10/10/2024 - EVGA Forums

Dear EVGA Community, Thank you everyone for your patience while our team worked on the updates per Intel for the Z790 motherboards. These updates include the latest 0x12B Microcode and the Intel ME Firmware Update (16.1.32.2473). This BIOS is considered BETA, and we only recommend fla...

forums.evga.com

BETA BIOS for Z690 0x12B Microcode Update & ME Firmware Update - 10/10/2024 - EVGA Forums

Dear EVGA Community, Thank you everyone for your patience while our team worked on the updates per Intel for the Z690 motherboards. These updates include the latest 0x12B Microcode and the Intel ME Firmware Update (16.1.32.2473). This BIOS is considered BETA, and we only recommend fla...

forums.evga.com

Better late than never, I suppose. I see they removed the "Graphics Cards" section in their "products" menu. And these boards never got validated for 14th Gen, although, guess should work now.

 

[Vario]

Better late than never, I suppose. I see they removed the "Graphics Cards" section in their "products" menu. And these boards never got validated for 14th Gen, although, guess should work now.

My understanding is that the 14th gen experience has been mixed on these boards. Some of the community have gotten them working using modified bios.

 

[cvaldes]

EVGA is basically just a zombie company selling rebadged PSUs. There's nothing else left anymore.

This has been the case since they sold through their remaining inventory of B-stock/clearance and refurbished graphics cards. That was a couple of years ago.

I wish things had ended up better for EVGA but life is not a Hollywood film script, sometimes there is no happy ending.

 

[Bobaganoosh]

Better late than never, I suppose. I see they removed the "Graphics Cards" section in their "products" menu. And these boards never got validated for 14th Gen, although, guess should work now.

Their Z790 boards support 14th Gen with latest beta BIOS. Well, they recognize the 14th Gen chips and run. Some reports that V/F curves are a bit weird.

EVGA Z690 does not officially support 14th Gen, even on the latest bios. They said the hardware doesn't support it. 14900k is bootable, but settings need manual tweaking to get running closer to correct and at least they'll have a correct micro-code now. They don't recognize 14700k and possibly others due to different P/E-core configs from 13th gen.

Additionally, the latest 0x12B beta BIOS (for both z690 and Z790) also updated the ME firmware, which is the first time since launch EVGA did that.

 

[inquisitor1]

I love evga. they had a fantastic forum. I loved the whole brand feel. after my asus rog striker II formula died I vowed to never buy asus again and havent., went to evga and felt they also gave excellent CS.

such a shame. its why ill never buy a new nvidia card. dont care to support nvidia for what they did to them.

 

[ty_ger]

such a shame. its why ill never buy a new nvidia card. dont care to support nvidia for what they did to them.

I don't think it was NVIDIA's fault. They were going go die for one reason or another. It's the owner's vision for the company to eventually die. NVIDIA was just the reason at that time. They were noticeably winding down in innovation, quality, and support a year prior.

 

[Bill_Bright]

I agree with inquistor1. I can't speak for their forum but I have always had great service with EVGA PSUs, graphics cards and several of their motherboards over the years. I have had to deal with EVGA tech/warranty support only a couple times but in each case, it was a pleasant experience - well, as pleasant as such experiences you didn't want to deal with in the first place can be.

I have not experienced a degradation in quality either.

I don't think it was NVIDIA's fault.

NVIDIA was just the reason at that time.

These two statements in the same post, let alone same paragraph don't gibe. And they don't agree with the real-world facts. I am not saying NVIDIA's policies are the only reason, but they played the key role in EVGA's decision to get out of the graphics card business.

We will never know the full story but note even NVIDIA's CEO concedes "the EVGA situation may be less controversial than it initially seemed". And he admitted NVIDIA "hid" even basic technical information from card makers - one of EVGA's major complaints.

EVGA to Exit Graphics Card Market Over Reported Disrespect From Nvidia | PCMag and note where Steve Burke from Gamers Nexus reports,

One major problem is how Nvidia will refuse to reveal basic information about its PC graphics cards, such as the price, to partners.

“We’re told this is even true for the cost to buy the (GPU) chip,” Gamers Nexus host Steve Burke says in the video. “It’s hard to run a business when you don’t even know the cost of your product is—that you’re imminently launching.”

Another issue is how Nvidia can restrict prices on some cards, at the high and low ends.

On top of this, Nvidia will release limited-edition Founders Edition graphics cards that can undercut EVGA’s own products in terms of price.

That last point is critical, and IMO, devious and unfair. The OEM (NVIDIA in this case), sells their product to the brand names at an inflated price. Then they put out a competing device under their own brand name at a significantly reduced priced. That is not how OEMs typically work. In fact, that could be considered a form of "predatory pricing" or "price dumping" used to drive out competition.

If AMD sold its GPUs to card makers at inflated prices, then produced their own competing cards retailing for less, we would be lambasting AMD - and rightfully so.

You can certainly believe what you want, but if you search evga and nvidia, I don't see where anyone agrees with you that NVIDIA is innocent of fault here.

 

[ty_ger]

If there was another reason a year later, that would be the reason you would be talking about. It is irrelevant. The root cause is that the EVGA owner is winding down his career, the company is privately owned, and the owner feels that passing on the company to anyone else would hurt his legacy. THAT is the reason EVGA is dying. THAT is the reason EVGA is guaranteed to die in the near future regardless of any outside source. NVIDIA is a horrible company, but in this case is just a scapegoat that people can't look past.
Why are people so obsessed with EVGA anyway? Their 10 series GPUs were their last good ones. 20 series lackluster with bugs. Their 30 series GPUs were mostly the worst in the industry with the highest failure rate. Their motherboards went to crap. Their support went to crap; failing to accept people's RMA packages, not answering the phone, denying RMAs for scratches, stopping software and driver updates for product-breaking bugs, etcetera. EVGA should have announced their wind-down a few years earlier to leave a better legacy. I think the owner became embarrased too late.
What am I talking about? Go to their forum. Go to the support section. Filter the time period at the bottom to longer than 30 days. Read the past 3 years of messages. Check out the X570 section. Check out the NU Audio section. Check out the XR1 Capture section.
EVGA was pretty cool 4 years ago. They made their decisions, burned their reputation, and should be remembered for it.

 

[Bobaganoosh]

[snip]
EVGA was pretty cool 4 years ago. They made their decisions, burned their reputation, and should be remembered for it.

I think they can be remembered for both. You can both appreciate people like Jacob Freeman, Lee, and others from the support team. You can appreciate the designs you liked, the performance, the price, the OC-headroom/features, or whatever it is you liked (not you specifically, but just generally anyone in this case)... Then, you can also remember the owner for deciding to walk off into the sunset and leaving the company no choice but to have a slow and painful death. I wouldn't begrudge anybody for wanting to spend more time with their grandkids (one of his reasons referenced), but you can sell a business (even if you take your time finding what you hope are the best possible folks to buy it) and keep it going for all the customers that appreciate it without burning "your legacy" that you're so worried about to the ground. He did the exact opposite of what he claimed he wanted. It doesn't take away from what I liked about the company's products or services when they were available...it just made them not available anymore.

 

[freeagent]

They will always have a place in my heart. I loved their GPU's, I still do as I have a few.

I wish I still had my 680i.

RIP.

 

[Bill_Bright]

What am I talking about? Go to their forum. Go to the support section. Filter the time period at the bottom to longer than 30 days. Read the past 3 years of messages.

burned their reputation

This is truly silly, if not naïve, comments.

Go to the service center of your local Toyota dealer. What will you see? You will see a full garage of late model Toyotas in need of service, that's what. Does that mean Toyotas are lousy cars, their reputation is burnt and they should be avoided at all costs? Of course not.

Who goes to a manufacturer's support forum to post praises?

Not sure what happened to you ty_ger or what EVGA did to you personally. But from here, it sure seems you have a thing against EVGA well beyond their issue with NVIDIA. I am sorry you don't like them. But please don't assume they are dead in the water and, what's left of their products, is lousy stuff.

 

[Ruru]

I still hope that they would do the same what XFX did back in the day when they switched to camp AMD.