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Not sure what happened to you ty_ger or what EVGA did to you personally. But from here, it sure seems you have a thing against EVGA well beyond their issue with NVIDIA. I am sorry you don't like them. But please don't assume they are dead in the water and, what's left of their products, is lousy stuff.
They went to crap and all their fans just keep talking about how bad NVIDIA is. Simple as that. It's annoying. You have to be blind or just simply not present the last three years to miss it. I'm annoyed at people praising a company that turned lousy and blaming something completely irrelevant. I hate NVIDIA just as much as the next guy, but get a clue.

If EVGA's fanbase wasn't so annoying and mistaken, I would have nothing to complain about.

Funny enough, EVGA's support has improved in the past 6 months, but they were getting pretty bad before then. Multiple people had to send in their RMA packages multiple times due to support staff not showing up to work. Multiple people reported that EVGA didn't answer the phone for days. Multiple people reported that they had to pay extra for shipping, insurance, or customs because EVGA messed up their paperwork. Multiple people reported that their warranty was declared void due to an unrelated scratch in a irrelevant surface. Multiple people reported that their nonfunctional product needed a driver update and EVGA still hasn't replied to them. They went to crap. Only now they started talking publicly again and at least seem approachable and friendly instead of the wall of silence the previous 2 years.

EVGA is dead in the water; it's the owner's wish. I am sorry to inform you that their current products are lousy.
 
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Okay, ty_ger. :rolleyes:
 
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I know this is an old thread but I wanted to mention that EVGA has recently published beta bios for Z690/Z790 to include the updated microcode fixes for intel 13th gen.
Out of topic, but it’s still beta also on Asus site from 30 September I think. Hopefully the final version will fix power management, right now it’s way below “Intel recommendations”.
 

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I still hope that they would do the same what XFX did back in the day when they switched to camp AMD.
I wish I still had my XFX GTX295 lol :D

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Also, my 980 Classified, and 3070 Ti have seen many hours playing games, and folding.. no complaints from me on their GPU's.
 

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I wish I still had my XFX GTX295 lol :D

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Also, my 980 Classified, and 3070 Ti have seen many hours playing games, and folding.. no complaints from me on their GPU's.
I hate that I sold my EVGA 980 Ti FTW when I bought a 1080 Ti. :(
 

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They will always have a place in my heart. I loved their GPU's, I still do as I have a few.

I wish I still had my 680i.

RIP.

There will never be another GPU like it. Served me well for years, then served my friend well for years. Still alive somewhere on this planet.

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Why are people so obsessed with EVGA anyway? Their 10 series GPUs were their last good ones. 20 series lackluster with bugs.
Not obsessed, but your statement is without merit. I've had 3 20 series, still have two. They still perform superbly and without any bugs. Did EVGA hurt you?
 
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Not obsessed, but your statement is without merit. I've had 3 20 series, still have two. They still perform superbly and without any bugs. Did EVGA hurt you?
Fan controller, RGB bugs, and ICX MCU corruption started getting pretty prolific.
 

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Fan controller, RGB bugs, and ICX MCU corruption started getting pretty prolific.
With which models? The only major EVGA issue I remember was with thermal pads with some 10 series cards.
 
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With which models? The only major EVGA issue I remember was with thermal pads with some 10 series cards.
I got burnt by a bad 10 series that killed PCIe slots back in the day. Amazingly EVGA credited me for my ASUS Z170 hero mobos full retail and their card as well in store cred at the time... something I'll always remember. Hard to get that support level these days sadly.
 

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Fan controller, RGB bugs, and ICX MCU corruption started getting pretty prolific.
What is prolific is the amount of people who flash GPU bios. I am almost 100% certain that may have something to do with it.
 
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With which models? The only major EVGA issue I remember was with thermal pads with some 10 series cards.
Potentially any of them with an iCX MCU. There was a big number of bricked cards at the beginning due to MCU update problems. Their software would pester users about out of date MCU firmware, people were essentially forced to update to continue using the software that provided the advertised features, and then the card would be bricked. I mean the card wasn't bricked, just the MCU firmware was bricked. No more RGB. Third fan spinning 100% all the time without control. Essentially bricked since it was unfixable and no owner could live with it. It seems like their software got better with time and it happened less often, but still you see a new report from time to time.
Then there was the clicking fans. So many clicking fans. The design didn't have enough hysteresis or something and everyone's fans cycled. And so many clicked when cycling. Reports never stopped. How could the product go through design and testing without this being caught? The official fix was to use a custom fan curve to make it so the fans never stopped. Recommended by users and even tech support. Brilliant fix. Couldn't they just update the firmware?
The iCX MCU had some kind of output frequency restriction which caused the third fan to make an audible whining noise at various frequencies. And it had some sort of issue with receiving a reliable tachometer feedback from the fan which caused the fan speed to audibly fluctuate.
Then the RGB. Besides forcing updates causing the MCU firmware to be bricked, the RGB would forget its aim at life and just randomly do different things. The colors were way off and not calibrated. And the RGB burned out.
30 series came out. Lessons learned? Nope. Same problems. Where was the testing and refinement? They used to be known for their refinement and product features. Same problems as the 20 series, plus more fragile hardware which failed more than any other vendor. Fail. Oh, and the PWM aux header didn't even work because they made an unfixable hardware design error. No product testing?! No revisions? Even though they realized that the aux fan header was broken and didn't plan for a hardware revision, they didn't stop advertising the feature.
And the solder lie. lol. EVGA caught themself in that lie.


And then the support problems already mentioned.

What is prolific is the amount of people who flash GPU bios. I am almost 100% certain that may have something to do with it.
As I just posted, it was essentially forced. I could be wrong, but I think there was actually a way to decline the updates, but it was presented in a way that appeared forced without an option. I think people sometimes could revert to an older software version to access the features without a firmware update, but I am not sure.

I got burnt by a bad 10 series that killed PCIe slots back in the day. Amazingly EVGA credited me for my ASUS Z170 hero mobos full retail and their card as well in store cred at the time... something I'll always remember. Hard to get that support level these days sadly.
You are lucky. Many customers were told to use homeowners insurance because their warranty only covers their products. Except known community members seemed to get special treatment. Kind of like the paid Tesla social media mafia you see these days, EVGA paid its community members and provided a different level of service depending on the customer.







I know I sound like a lunatic, but some of EVGA's biggest fans are too. Honestly, the reason I am so vocal is because of how annoyed I am with the fanbase. Fanboy: EVGA paid you for your community involvement and for recommending their products. Realize that you have a compromised viewpoint and start being objective. You got special treatment. Time and again the non-special public came to the forum to complain about how they were treated and only then did EVGA suddenly change their decision and change who was assisting with their claim. And all the paid fanboys would echo 'this is what I love about EVGA!'. How many non-special public didn't complain? And the rest of the public: they heard it from 1000 paid fanboys; it must be true. EVGA was no longer great after the 20 series. The refinement was gone. The love was gone. The support was gone. The employee pay and retention was gone. The R&D department was thinned down to a skeleton and is now gone completely. Their tech support was clearly instructed to pinch more and more money and become more and more petty unless backlash grew too strong. And NVIDIA wasn't the reason EVGA is shutting down. NVIDIA was just the trigger at that time. A couple years later, it would have been Intel's fault that they were leaving the mobo market and business isn't sustainable. The truth is that the company was already on a 2-year decline, the 30 series was a half-hearted product, and the company was destined to close because that is ultimately the owner's intent.


Full disclosure: EVGA paid me too. I got store credit. I got direct deposit. I got a free backpack. I got a free mouse. I got a free mousepad. I think I got a keyboard somewhere that I never used. I got a t-shirt and lanyard. Most of these items came after no purchase in at least a year. But I never stooped to the level of being an affiliate.

I have over 16,000 posts on their forum and over 300 blue ribbons (although some were lost to forum corruption). I have a pretty good idea about what I am talking about.

Do you know what is better than a varying level of support? Not needing it. You finally move on to the alternative and then you are like, oh, wow, it just works. You don't need to learn the product and its quirks and adjust it to work the way it should. Maybe it's like an old muscle car; some people aren't happy unless they have to keep messing with it.
 
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My go to GPU brand now is PNY. ASUS I considered but too many complaints about coil whine and their insistence on charging WAY too much for MBs that have squat for SATA 3 ports anymore made me switch MBs too (I use AsRock MBs now). Don't get me wrong, I loved my EVGA GTX 1080 so much I swore I'd never buy another brand GPU. The reality seems though if the partnership with Nvidia were as bad as EVGA said it was, FAR more brands would dump them. So far it's only been XFX, and now EVGA, as far as big brands that have either jumped ship, or stopped making GPUs. The fact that EVGA didn't make the jump to AMD also puts things in perspective a bit. By that I mean ANY of the big chip designers, Nvidia, AMD, or Intel, can be a bit stuffy, but so too can manufacturers that insist on things being done their way. Big business these days is about compromises as much as anything else, and if you aren't flexible with that you won't last very long.
 
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Big business these days is about compromises as much as anything else, and if you aren't flexible with that you won't last very long.
That's a double-edge sword.

If the mega-companies like NVIDIA were more flexible and willing to compromise instead of "our way or no way", then other smaller companies would not have to make such extreme compromises.

It is like (or perhaps just is) politics. There is no meeting in the middle. The 5% radical extremists on each end who want it all their way keep blocking any compromises that would benefit the 90% of us who are stuck in the middle. :(
 

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Same here. Them and Zotac for me, though MSI has been doing good recently.
I really dig this little Zotac in my box.

It is smallish, it was the cheapest by far at the time, and so far it has been pretty durable.

Probably at least a thousand hours in game, and more running F@H, maybe half a billion points.

And it overclocks pretty well to boot..
 
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EVGA did a crap job in diversifying. Antec did a good job of it and that's why they are still around today. Corsair did an excellent job of it and that is why they are so large. Yes it sucked Nvidia undercut EVGA in price on flagship GPUs but so what? Nvidia hardly flooded the market with their units and I found that excuse as a cop out Many other OEMs build PC parts and compete against their partners in the same space. Instead of buying up market share with low priced PSU (already low on margin to begin with) maybe they should have sold more high margin items like RGB fans, keyboards, and mice.
 
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You are lucky.
Maybe, maybe not. Certainly wasn't much of a name on social media at the time though. No "influence" beyond TPU to be had here, honestly.
 
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I don't agree with everything @ty_ger says, but I do agree that EVGA was already on it's way down. If the owner wanted to stick around, he would have either kept dealing with Nvidia or gone to a competitor. He talked about loyalty and honor, but the dude fired and then replaced the entire motherboard department one time because they didn't meet expectations. Why wouldn't he do the same to Nvidia? He was ready to retire and he wasn't willing to give anybody else control of what he considered his legacy "EVGA". If you look at the glassdoor reviews from employees, you'll find that he's a complete control freak and micro-manager, as well as a penny pincher when it comes to supporting and paying staff, so it doesn't surprise me at all that he wasn't willing to let anybody else take control of the company.

That said, it doesn't mean that Nvidia did no wrong here or didn't influence the decision. It seems pretty clear that he was looking to slowly kill off the company anyway and 40-series conflict with Nvidia was the last straw. It became just hard enough that he didn't want to deal with it anymore and threw in the towel (that he was already holding in his hands ready to throw).

Also, I was an affiliate, but I didn't make much money with it (unlike several folks on the forums). I was just on there to help people and if that meant they put in my code when they bought something (which they'd get a discount for) and that I'd get points towards my next GPU/Motherboard...cool. They never gave me any money and I don't think I ever even got free stuff. I got discounts on a keyboard and mouse, and used the EVGA Bucks (which I got more of F@H than from being an affiliate) and I personally never shied away from recommending AMD or another Nvidia OEM brand if I thought it was the right choice for someone. When I first got into the hobby, I didn't have much disposable income for hobbies and the fact that there were ways I could get discounts for one of the brands was awesome and super helpful. I wouldn't hold that against anybody (just that one guy who posted in the forums constantly with endless threads that were just about pushing his discount code...I thought that was pretty annoying).

Also, I can give ty_ger credit for posting in the EVGA forums that the TPU forums are active and helpful. The EVGA forums are practically dead and I came here to continue having a place I can contribute to and hopefully help some folks along the way. No affiliate codes or discounts on hardware necessary lol.
 
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They will always have a place in my heart. I loved their GPU's, I still do as I have a few.

I wish I still had my 680i.

RIP.

Same here. It's really sad to see EVGA become nothing but a hollow shell, but it is what it is. I'm hoping I can score one of their RTX 3080 Ti or 3090 Ti cards as a keepsake sometime, but only after they get cheaper.
 

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Same here. It's really sad to see EVGA become nothing but a hollow shell, but it is what it is. I'm hoping I can score one of their RTX 3080 Ti or 3090 Ti cards as a keepsake sometime, but only after they get cheaper.
Right now they are just another Thermaltake, or Corsair.

Sad indeed. They need to take the VGA part out.
 
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I guess the discussion is now resurrected, my aim was just updating anyone who needed that bios.

With that said, the EVGA Z690 Classified I have is still working great. I also have an EVGA RTX 3060 12GB that works great, though isn't installed currently. I am reluctant to change anything on my Z690 Classified system right now because it works so well.
 
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Why do you ppl keep beating a dead horse?
 
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