so whats with evga?

[ShrimpBrime]

MySpace was awesome back in the day. It was about people coming together mostly for music. And no overbearing monetization, SEO crap, influencers, etc. I wish there was a place like that in 2024 to share music interests that wasn't so blatantly about waving dollar bills.

There weren't streaming services like Pandora yet so bands just uploaded low-bitrate MP3s for people to enjoy, get familiar with their music. It was a godsend back them. You'd flip open the back of some indie newspaper, peruse the concert listings and see a bunch of bands you never heard of before. But with MySpace you finally had a chance of hearing a couple of songs, maybe enough to make you head out to the venue and catch their show.

Twitter was also awesome circa 2007-2010. Instagram was wonderful between 2010-2012 (until Facebook acquired it).

Today we have people on the TPU discussion forum still continuing to beat a horse that died in September 2022. Distasteful? You be the judge.

But credit to you for remembering online 2004. Some people here can't even remember what happened last week, let alone two years ago. Attention spans and memory retention have fallen off a cliff.

Well thanks for that.

I suppose EVGA is that big of a deal, that the horse is beaten for a while. That's actually a humbling thing to know in my opinion.

 

[freeagent]

Ogrish.com traumatized me

Interwebz these days

 

[lexluthermiester]

Why? Because I really am tired of these videos taking almost 30 minutes to say what could have been said in 5.

With you on that one. I skipped to the part I was interested in. And of course that didn't really say anything..

Today we have people on the TPU discussion forum still continuing to beat a horse that died in September 2022. Distasteful? You be the judge.

Why do you care? Are we offending you with our discussion? Are your eyes and mind somehow being injured by the ideas we're expressing? Hmm? If so, click on a different thread, quit bemoaning and get over it.

 

[Totally]

Edit: Also yes others HAVE thrown in the towel because of how NVIDIA treats them. XFX/Pine Group is a classic example; NVIDIA vendor up until they wanted to expand their product portfolio to include ATi/AMD cards, and NVIDIA sent them a cease and desist. So they left NVIDIA for good.

Yep, this one bugged me. Since XFX was pushed into looking for alternative sources of income because Nvidia was playing favorites, and XFX and a few others had social credit scores that put them towards the back of the line.

 

[dirtyferret]

Media literacy online is at an all-time low and continues to decline.

The Internet wasn't like this back in the 1990s. It has become this way since the smartphone became ubiquitous. Not coincidentally that's right around the time when social media started sliding down hard. Circa 2012.

The Internet was populated by mostly sane people in 2004. Today it's like the fences to a psych ward were breached and the former inhabitants have overrun the neighborhood. And some of them beat dead horses like EVGA's graphics card business. The Internet is where crazies go to find like-minded people.

Funny, just like Raccoon City...

I was there @cvaldes . I was there three thousand years ago (or close to) when Al Gore invented the internet. He should have cast social media into fire.

 

[Bobaganoosh]

I was there @cvaldes . I was there three thousand years ago (or close to) when Al Gore invented the internet. He should have cast social media into fire.

No mention of Xanga?! lol

Also, I'd say the only positive outcome of grifters and bots taking over social media is that I can tell you about my amazing only-fans content (it's only fans...and only pictures I've taken (sfw...not adult content)).

I hope I don't get banned for this joke.

 

[ty_ger]

I heard in a podcast yesterday that onlyfans' top earners make more than a $million per month.
Dead internet theory is in action. What will be our next outlet? Or will we all turn into a collective slugish mind goo who are okay with what we consume?

 

[Dr. Dro]

If EVGA were to ever return though I don't think they would do that. There's a quote from the CEO that I remember from that time during the interview but I can't for the life of me find it now where he said EVGA doesn't have plans to work with AMD or Intel with the reason being "because of the partnership i don't want to betray them."

What I understood from that quote is that it probably meant that they wanted to leave the opportunity to work with Nvidia again open if they ever decided to return, while highly improbable. XFX left on bad terms when they split away from Nvidia which meant they would and will never work together again. I think EVGA were trying their best to make sure that even if they left, they would have the opportunity to return in the future and not completely spoil their relationship with Nvidia because unfortunately Nvidia never forgives and forgets due to pettiness.

If EVGA ever announces they would partner with AMD or Intel it is safe to assume that would mean Nvidia will never work with EVGA ever again for the foreseeable future, which EVGA probably doesn't want if they ever change their minds to return to GPUs.

There are no "betrayals" or "pettiness" in business. If there is money to be made, there are deals to be had - unless one side isn't getting their needs met. The guy was talking out of his arse, and Nvidia would have absolutely zero reason to stop doing business with EVGA if they opt to go multi-vendor - it DOES mean, however, that Nvidia would have no incentive to give EVGA any special deals - which apparently this utterly mismanaged company were more than relying on to be even minimally viable.

I don't need to remind anyone that the company who took most of EVGA's slice of the pie as NVIDIA's premier AIB vendor is no other than ASUS - who manufactures AMD hardware all the same. This insistence on blaming Nvidia for EVGA's woes is simply hilarious.

 

[Totally]

There are no "betrayals" or "pettiness" in business. If there is money to be made, there are deals to be had - unless one side isn't getting their needs met. The guy was talking out of his arse, and Nvidia would have absolutely zero reason to stop doing business with EVGA if they opt to go multi-vendor - it DOES mean, however, that Nvidia would have no incentive to give EVGA any special deals - which apparently this utterly mismanaged company were more than relying on to be even minimally viable.

I don't need to remind anyone that the company who took most of EVGA's slice of the pie as NVIDIA's premier AIB vendor is no other than ASUS - who manufactures AMD hardware all the same. This insistence on blaming Nvidia for EVGA's woes is simply hilarious.

ASUS is too big and moves too much product for Nvidia to slight them. It wasn't about deals either it was about getting GPUs period. They'd place an order with Nvidia for X amount of chips and Nvidia would ship maybe about half or whatever leftovers they had out of the batch.

 

[Dr. Dro]

ASUS is too big and moves too much product for Nvidia to slight them. It wasn't about deals either it was about getting GPUs period. They'd place an order with Nvidia for X amount of chips and Nvidia would ship maybe about half or whatever leftovers they had out of the batch.

B-B-B-But EVGA was the #1 Authorized Partner of NVIDIA products in the U.S.! Every box of every card and power supply they sold had this proud and important information in it!

 

[Frick]

I heard in a podcast yesterday that onlyfans' top earners make more than a $million per month.
Dead internet theory is in action. What will be our next outlet? Or will we all turn into a collective slugish mind goo who are okay with what we consume?

Onlyfans isn't an example of that afaik, you have to go there. Google being useless is an example though. I would argue the fact that everything is video these days is also a factor to that. I was looking for specific performance numbers for a Ryzen 9600x, and the only ones I could find was a video, but I was only interested in the results so I just looked at the bit with the graphs. So to look at screenshots of graphs I had to watch a video.

So the solution is obviously to feed all of the internet made unusable by corporate interest to AI and have it sum it up for us, filtered of course to please the same corporate interest.

nokia was slow to adjust. like blackberry and MS with WM 6.5 and onwards. they all felt so confident. appèle (my brother is a huge fanboy and always poke him with that-tim cook is no jobs) came in and broke everyone.shame we only have 2 OS today. and both suck.

Windows Phone was pretty competent, and had a decent market share in some markets (to the tune of 15% iirc), but for one thing MS redid the entire OS several times, meaning basically that apps had to be remade almost from scratch iirc (not a good way to attract devs, add to this different generation of phones had different OS's that were incompatible with each other, it was really bad) and in general just messed things up.

 

[Bill_Bright]

ASUS is too big and moves too much product for Nvidia to slight them.

Not even.

NVIDIA is worth $3.395 Trillion (3,395 Billion) and is the 2nd largest company in the world.

ASUS is worth chump-changed in comparison at a measly $13.9 Billion.

NVIDIA has the HUGE advantage of being 1 of just 2 significant GPU makers in the world. Yet there are dozens of card makers besides ASUS, including MSI, Gigabyte, Zotac, PNY, Palit, Power Color, Sapphire, XFX, VisionTek, ASRock, BIOSTAR, LeadTek, ECS, Sparkle, Chaintech and many more.

 

[64K]

NVIDIA is worth $3.395 Trillion (3,395 Billion) and is the 2nd largest company in the world.

2nd most valuable company in the world by investor Market Cap but they rank #110 in largest companies in the world. They were #210 before the AI craze began.

https://www.forbes.com/lists/global2000/

 

[Bill_Bright]

Gee whiz. If you are going nitpick a point, why do it half assed and fail to prove (or disprove) anything.

On your own list, ASUStek is 1,146th with a market value of just $11.9 Billion.

NVIDIA is worth 20 times that at $2,312 Billion and the main point remains exactly the same. Between AMD and NVIDIA, they control the entire global GPU market. Yet there are still dozens of graphics card makers using those GPUs on their cards. If ASUS suddenly went way, the other card makers would easily take up the slack with essentially zero impact on NVIDIA.

 

[dirtyferret]

NVIDIA is worth $3.395 Trillion (3,395 Billion) and is the 2nd largest company in the world.

ASUS is worth chump-changed in comparison at a measly $13.9 Billion.

I have a McDonald's coupon for free small fries worth “Cash Value 1/100th of a cent” so not that far behind myself...

 

[rtwjunkie]

VGA's standards were already falling. The 2000s have overheating RAM

Which 2000's series cards were those? Sources? Like I said earlier, I had 3, and still have 2. No problems with fans or VRAM or anything else. I remember no hordes of people complaining their RAM was failing, either here or at the EVGA forums. Blanket statements are just not helpful to make your point.

 

[64K]

Gee whiz. If you are going nitpick a point, why do it half assed and fail to prove (or disprove) anything.

On your own list, ASUStek is 1,146th with a market value of just $11.9 Billion.

NVIDIA is worth 20 times that at $2,312 Billion and the main point remains exactly the same. Between AMD and NVIDIA, they control the entire global GPU market. Yet there are still dozens of graphics card makers using those GPUs on their cards. If ASUS suddenly went way, the other card makers would easily take up the slack with essentially zero impact on NVIDIA.

You don't understand the difference between largest and most valued by investors. You said they were the 2nd largest. That was what I was clarifying. Nvidia is a relatively small company when ranked among the largest companies in the world. Their 3.3 trillion Market Cap isn't what they are actually worth. It's just what investors believe their stock is worth right now.

 

[Bill_Bright]

You don't understand the difference between largest and most valued by investors. You said they were the 2nd largest.

Then go complain to Companies Marketcap.com and tell them and all their economists they don't understand the difference and stop derailing the thread with silly semantics that do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to change the facts and point I made about ASUS vs NIVIDA. Again, by your own list, NVIDIA is 20 times bigger than ASUS.

They said,

NVIDIA the world's 2nd most valuable company by market cap

While you are at it, go tell US News they are wrong too, for ranking NVIDIA #3.

And Investopedia for ranking it #2.

And The Motely Fool.

There are several ways to measure the value and size of a company. One does not make the other wrong - contrary to what 64k seems to what everyone to believe.

Nvidia is a relatively small company when ranked among the largest companies in the world.

Yeah right.

Moving on with the thread's topic.

 

[ty_ger]

Onlyfans isn't an example of that afaik, you have to go there.

Yeah, I know. They were two separate thoughts replying to the previous posts.

 

[Hecate91]

Nvidia would have absolutely zero reason to stop doing business with EVGA if they opt to go multi-vendor

Nvidia didn't need a reason with XFX for example, and it should be very clear by now Nvidia doesn't care about their AIB's when they undercut them with FE cards.
Not surprising though people keep refusing to see all the evidence years later, Nvidia has at least some of the blame for EVGA dropping out of the market.

ASUS is too big and moves too much product for Nvidia to slight them. It wasn't about deals either it was about getting GPUs period. They'd place an order with Nvidia for X amount of chips and Nvidia would ship maybe about half or whatever leftovers they had out of the batch.

ASUS also sells a ton of other products with an ROG price premium, even if they aren't making money on GPU's they have things like motherboards, PSU's, or monitors to make margins on.

 

[Bill_Bright]

they have things like motherboards

ASUS is also a major OEM supplier of motherboards for laptop and PC makers.

As for ASUS branded PSUs, not sure they make any of them. I note, according to TH, the ASUS ROG 750W supply is made by Seasonic.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Nvidia didn't need a reason with XFX for example, and it should be very clear by now Nvidia doesn't care about their AIB's when they undercut them with FE cards.
Not surprising though people keep refusing to see all the evidence years later, Nvidia has at least some of the blame for EVGA dropping out of the market.

ASUS also sells a ton of other products with an ROG price premium, even if they aren't making money on GPU's they have things like motherboards, PSU's, or monitors to make margins on.

Oh please, it's not a refusal to see any "evidence", it's something closer to embracing it without a false sense of morality.

Even if FE availability wasn't incredibly limited (you basically can't get one outside of NA and some Western EU countries), why should Nvidia care about their AIBs? Especially ones who get uppity like XFX and EVGA did. If anything, their long-term interest would align with doing away with them entirely - remove the middleman so to speak and concentrate on vertical integration of first-party products, just like Apple did, because that's what successful companies do.

ASUS is also a major OEM supplier of motherboards for laptop and PC makers.

As for ASUS branded PSUs, not sure they make any of them. I note, according to TH, the ASUS ROG 750W supply is made by Seasonic.

Yeah, all major brands (including Nvidia in the aforementioned case) have an OEM actually building most products on their behalf.

 

[dirtyferret]

As for ASUS branded PSUs, not sure they make any of them.

They don't and use several OEMs including two of the largest out there (Acbel & Delta) for their PC division (desktop & laptop) which brings in over 60% of their gross income. They also have a large presence in networking & mobile phones on top of the PC parts we know them for. So I don't think Nvidia would want to slight Asus but probably would not lose major sleep over it. On the flip side with the mediocre margins in GPUs compared to some other components, Asus would not want to slight Nvidia but would not go down the path of EVGA by any menas if they did. Also, how did Asus get brought into this?

note, according to TH, the ASUS ROG 750W supply is made by Seasonic.

as well as greatwall, CWT, among others. We don't think of companies like Asus & Gigabyte having a presence in the PSU market but over seas they have been selling units for long time

 

[80-watt Hamster]

Also, how did Asus get brought into this?

Someone brought up that ASUS make both Nvidia and AMD cards, so ipso facto EVGA should have been able to do it, too. Or something.

Then go complain to Companies Marketcap.com and tell them and all their economists they don't understand the difference and stop derailing the thread with silly semantics that do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to change the facts and point I made about ASUS vs NIVIDA. Again, by your own list, NVIDIA is 20 times bigger than ASUS.

They said,


While you are at it, go tell US News they are wrong too, for ranking NVIDIA #3.

And Investopedia for ranking it #2.

And The Motely Fool.

There are several ways to measure the value and size of a company. One does not make the other wrong - contrary to what 64k seems to what everyone to believe.


Yeah right.

Moving on with the thread's topic.

Bill, you're continually asking for precision in others' posts. Don't get your knickers in a twist when someone expects it of you. Size (come to that, size by what metric?) and market cap are not the same thing.

 

[dirtyferret]

so ipso facto EVGA should have been able to do it, too

none of us are privy to the contracts they had with Nvidia but even if they could switch to AMD it's still a major revenue hit (see XFX) and they would still be in the same boat they find themselves. The CEO killed EVGA not Nvidia.