Windows 11 General Discussion

[theFOoL]

I'm talking about all saved tabs like Tablacus does

 

[Vayra86]

In the nearest future to come, it's ecology that will be important, powerconsuption, i don't think this will let NV AMD sell double powered PCs to the entire world, since they already just made adjustements in efficiency (7800x3d, 4000) to their last hardware, not tsure they would have done it if there had not been ecology talkings all over the world informations, and that's just the beginning.

The hardware is 1% the problem, it's software that is dumb at every level, driver, games, OS, and others if any (even Steam Deck OS is dumb btw).

Nah, the ONLY and I do mean ONLY motivation to reduce power consumption is because they can then increase clocks to give you a smaller chip with the same performance.

That is how node shrinks basically work. Use less power for same task = reduce die size = improved payoff from a single wafer coming out of the fab. Additionally, the same die size of a chip can hold more transistors - so if you want to place more transistors, a single transistor can't be using the same power as before, things will go unmanageable fast.

This is proven by Nvidia simply releasing Ampere which was a perf/w clusterfck (*because of the node used!) and then reducing it vastly with Ada....but still giving 4090 a higher TDP. This was never and will never be about environment. That will only happen when we actually tax the environmental impact, which no single product right now really does, even despite CO2 emission rights trading. It will be proven once more by Blackwell, increasing the TDPs per tier of GPU once more.

I'll be giving W11 a shot in a VM soon. I have been actively ignoring it until now, but 24H2 seems like a good point to see what's the OS like. It's been out what, two years? Well, whatever. I'll need to move on at some point anyway, so I better start testing.

When people say Windows 11 needs to be debloated, what do they actually mean? Physically deleting some shit from the installation? Or just configuring some packages or whatever to disabled state? I used to do all kinds of weird stuff with Windows 7, but in the end figured it was nonsense, the results were questionable at best, but more likely breaking stuff instead, and aside from the configuration that's part of the unattended setup I have (which I have to check from top to bottom since there seem to be quite a few changes since Windows 10) I only run O&O's Shutup10 these days and that's it.

For me W11 debloated means no TPM2.0 requirement, no online account functionality, which also means no MS Store bullshit, gaming overlays, and whatever else. By cutting those ties you've basically got a system you kinda 'own' again without MS constantly stepping in to tell you its really nice to use feature A B or C that then only barely works.

IoT Enterprise LTSC has this setup.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

Got a report that a new preview update fixes the file fiasco in 24H2. (That it fixes the bug that is present in build '1882 and '2033)

The build that fixes it, appears to be '2152.

Don't know if '2152 will be the official update build number or not for the November patch-Tuesday CU, though.

It's starting to look like the November patch-Tuesday, which will be on November 12th, will be the "mea culpa fix".

OTOH, I just saw this report:

MSN

24H2, reportedly causes the "CRITICAL_PROCESS_DIED" BSOD with Western Digital SSDs.

At this time, it's looking like it's HMB causing this BSOD issue.

I got the PC build in the other room of parts that I got during the early-coronavirus-pandemic, and Windows 11 24H2 is working super! I actually got it to fetch release-preview updates, as it solved a problem that wasn't solved during the October patch-Tuesday. The release-preview-channel, is pretty much like the normal channel with rapid-fire-updates.

24H2 feels snappy on AM4 Ryzen! Even though I only ran 24H2 on my Ryzen 7 3700X.

 

[lexluthermiester]

My W10 finally couldn't handle my "experiments" and now I'm about to test if W11 24H2 will run any better. Don't see me posting anything else here this month = it definitely runs stable enough.

Main troubles with 22H2 and 23H2:

• RAM instability.
• M$ Paint instability.
• Completely incorrect CPU usage information.

It was virtually impossible to add text to images. It just lived its own life and shut the fields down. It was intermittent and only happened in M$ Paint. 3rd party software worked just fine.

After ~6 hours of testing, I am fairly sure 24H2 works fine on my PC. No effin clue whatsoever as to why it does and older versions didn't.

There's a solution to this.

Paint.NET - Free Software for Digital Photo Editing

Paint.NET is free image and photo editing software for computers that run Windows.

www.getpaint.net

Enjoy.

 

[Macro Device]

There's a solution to this.

Please read the vocabulary. Dirty hacks and solutions have never been even remotely close to synonyms.
This is software made by a huge company that gets paid for each and every sold copy thereof. We, customers, deserve being treated the way we DO NOT FREAKING NEED 3RD PARTY SOFTWARE FOR BASIC TASKS.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Please read the vocabulary. Dirty hacks and solutions have never been even remotely close to synonyms.
This is software made by a huge company that gets paid for each and every sold copy thereof. We, customers, deserve being treated the way we DO NOT FREAKING NEED 3RD PARTY SOFTWARE FOR BASIC TASKS.

WTF? There is no need for being so smarmy and aggressive about this kind of situation. If the built in Paint app is giving you problems, use something else. Paint Dot Net is exceptional. Quit your whining.

 

[Macro Device]

OK smart guy if my replies don't satisfy you, give your "orders" to someone else. Quit your shilling.

 

[Vayra86]

It was virtually impossible to add text to images. It just lived its own life and shut the fields down. It was intermittent and only happened in M$ Paint. 3rd party software worked just fine.

After ~6 hours of testing, I am fairly sure 24H2 works fine on my PC. No effin clue whatsoever as to why it does and older versions didn't.

This just screams of PEBCAK I'm afraid.
Or PEBHAU (Hardware and User)

 

[lexluthermiester]

This just screams of PEBCAK I'm afraid.
Or PEBHAU (Hardware and User)

It could be a legit glitch. I wasn't able to replicate it but that doesn't mean it's not happening. What they need to stop doing is the needlessly hostile whining.

 

[95Viper]

Stop the insults.
Stop the arguing/bickering.
Thread bans will be forthcoming if you cannot behave.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Stop the insults.
Stop the arguing/bickering.
Thread bans will be forthcoming if you cannot behave.

First, off this was said. And I support it.

You stated you were having a problem with Paint. You can't fix it, so I suggested something you can do and use that is similar, but better and most excellent alternative.

 

[Macro Device]

I suggested something you can do

Thanks and I already know of Paint.net and I have it installed. This is not, however, a solution. By the DEFINITION.

 

[Onasi]

Just wanted to ask everyone’s opinion - is there even a valid usage for the Media Creation Tool these days? I ask since Rufus can download the image straight from MS as well and provides far more flexibility for the finalized boot media. I suppose the MCT is very straightforward and “foolproof” for the less tech inclined, but the difference doesn’t seem to be THAT massive. I am just experimenting with both currently to make some new install media for work and kind of got curious to fiddle around and use MCT that I haven’t touched since… gosh, OG 11 release when it was the least painful way of obtaining the RTM since the servers with the .iso were flacking out?

 

[londiste]

I suppose the MCT is very straightforward and “foolproof” for the less tech inclined

Simple, this

 

[windwhirl]

Just wanted to ask everyone’s opinion - is there even a valid usage for the Media Creation Tool these days? I ask since Rufus can download the image straight from MS as well and provides far more flexibility for the finalized boot media. I suppose the MCT is very straightforward and “foolproof” for the less tech inclined, but the difference doesn’t seem to be THAT massive. I am just experimenting with both currently to make some new install media for work and kind of got curious to fiddle around and use MCT that I haven’t touched since… gosh, OG 11 release when it was the least painful way of obtaining the RTM since the servers with the .iso were flacking out?

If you just want a vanilla Windows install ISO, MCT is good enough.

Otherwise, if you prefer making some adjustments, stick to Rufus

 

[Klemc]

That's fun how it's difficult to just set custom ico to folders, i was searching for the one displaying thumnail as it reverts/uses to a yellow colored crappysh style, can't find the correct number :

First, Res Hack gives 3 to an icon that doesn't mlatch the number (it's the 4) i use in regedit (that works tho), so i assume there is an offset of 1, like if DLL index starts to 0 where extracted starts to 1.
But worst, the working 7 for USB Drives is far of the number i'd find in the extracted res, so how does it indexed those MS guys their file ?

Worst again, the 7 looks liek the one that could be used for folder displaying thumbnail, hell, unlucky me they managed to trouble me as unexpected.

ICORes - Google Drive

drive.google.com

EDIT:



Well, also some Context Menu entries have been made by asses (trous du cul), i think this guys capable to come shit in my street like all the dogs do (yes, my street is the rendez-vous for dogs shitting):

"autoplay" that's disabled is forced to be displayed as a annoying menu under the normal used open, so it's cluttered, there is no "eject" for HDD (since 10) and their tray is shitty as a dogshit, there is this unremovable forced "format drive", that's enough... i'll fire everybody.

I think there is something in their head that make them enjoy do things liek that, i think they ink that's cool bc it will bother everybody and so that they get better intheir hear shitting on us.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Just wanted to ask everyone’s opinion - is there even a valid usage for the Media Creation Tool these days?

Not really. They've set up the website so you can download the ISO directly in a browser so the tool doesn't matter AFAIK.

 

[Octopuss]

I believe the MCT downloads a different image than what you get from a browser. The MCT lets you select the language variant I believe.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I believe the MCT downloads a different image than what you get from a browser. The MCT lets you select the language variant I believe.

Didn't know that.

 

[Klemc]

Didn't know that.

Look, they have different SHA-256 by lang (MS apparently uses 256 for their Win ISO)

Get-FileHash C:\Users\utilisateur1\Downloads\Win11_23H2_French_x64.iso
Valeurs de hachage des fichiers ISO pour chaque langue (value for each lang):
Arabe 64-bit 97ED2DF27DEBE5A8E94FB37BE4383EB8516D5C24117793BDA5C1E13568D3F754
Bulgare 64-bit 1C1BD6E96290521B7E4F814ACA30C2CC4C7FAB1E3076439418673B90954A1FFC
Chinois (simplifié) 64-bit BD1ECBA89BC59B7B62EF12C88C4E70D456EDAC10B969ECB3299EBD458B1F0FB3
Chinois traditionnel 64-bit B92C3D6D428D12CF78A8D287B8FB28FFBC44D4A36B74C1B121C3CF443DC67ED2
Croate 64-bit 95C7008AB1B0BA65212A36FB728AC93B9D7611400A78393FE7B319ED5B74AC5C
Tchèque 64-bit 76120E535DB895D0EA69F47D55B836940821352A010DEDFCBCFC1E22E619FC4B
Danois 64-bit D5D34DFFE45BA557581ADA14AC025DB8AA58989D054706061B7D0E5B47F5FDB9
Néerlandais 64-bit EE9BC545673D8F954A1EDAC691D749438D3E4DFA10A75D2519F79E3708D79FDC
Anglais 64-bit B56B911BF18A2CEAEB3904D87E7C770BDF92D3099599D61AC2497B91BF190B11
Anglais international 64-bit D5A4C97C3E835C43B1B9A31933327C001766CE314608BA912F2FFFC876044309
Estonien 64-bit D12DC03FA15A7F436A800692E9BA30DBDDAA4CD6122DD71719A2898E953B5407
Finnois 64-bit D6057E058021A9DF8A02B7BB16331D88C38E8BB63D5AD897D094E0DF6C6ADB5A
Français 64-bit B73AA55DB50D2AD348F61C6537DA05C0D6DED78A143763454E977BE85B444119
Français canadien 64-bit 3CA47351DAD16BD3F7AFA27CDEB321DD726B79859DE8D2769359C7621DE38EC4
Allemand 64-bit 96E036F1219F9EE59F96312CE43EC7DF093E768383A77132750271940926A013
Grec 64-bit 92248F9F5A8735337D4B0DCCE4DD13348F8718858590FD9D1EB00020B5AFB33A
Hébreu 64-bit 27D8090B9266A2DAC04E403FE63E46ADE661A5661BF26CA5EBB1A2F13245E86F
Hongrois 64-bit 7B58807592AEB2FC5DDF5AF9749FA023CE9165AA4A1BF4F4741709F8AA2EE9D3
Italien 64-bit D95EC65EC06B4036835C7571FE0108159848D2883EF5DA3A67E480130B1F5862
Japonais 64-bit A1E1BCB6C014F39E4A324EC24DB1B745EE62617D29A450BF7B2596A3DCCECD7D
Coréen 64-bit 63ED86ADFC53F464649478F931EAE39A42DB3FD86C266C9B5AF7F8E19D318C51
Letton 64-bit F4C2BF7C16576E6D631070D7B7CF6F55E8359D0729B571C570DC6F39D77D9EA6
Lituanien 64-bit 23B14643B0AD6FDD0231EA201C5E1B000912EE3A0542F1B1F6907DB470AE7D7B
Norvégien 64-bit 6CBD6C3FED9CE08AF85420F19D01C287FC58EC0C42DC7409D1D5C341CEB6492B
Polonais 64-bit 654273603A945EBA3B185FD5D2C22207A0EB788B5E3402F71E6D0839B3026943
Portugais (Brésil) 64-bit 1BC63E9C62FE3EB7E46778F24C790933770FA7430304583BBDF96B47A5D61F1F
Portugais 64-bit FAAFEDFC301A381B0712FC8DB9F0A16ADE2716B998DD4855D0A38172A9A87AB4
Roumain 64-bit 8B23AD43DF35EB75FADDFDFC85D616A001A4D72C757E5286011E3DC9452A5862
Russe 64-bit D0FBDB93864BF6C8ADE844473C9600EBB031C8BB656A272C736E45DFBD9B3BC9
Serbe (latin) 64-bit 566047460EEA2F0E0D36E7A378DCFEEA79D7D3C0328227646BE4AB9AC39A9E36
Slovaque 64-bit 5B77F2B5F7C77ABF68E628AC37A8841BB1058B7173C1C76DC5A5F6C5BBA855FD
Slovène 64-bit 73F0DC7CC15885F565C76D78D54E4E4D9934720FFE583B52EFDDA2E2457402D7
Espagnol 64-bit 708AF7C9AC63B7EB045CA9B196568758B6C1749E8D13CADE61FAACBC7C66D142
Espagnol (Mexique) 64-bit BA7A9B9A2052DEF8C24BCB88C76A47B2E6A6C6EE547EED226B9702C5C63AFC69
Suédois 64-bit F3674D377253E2D12635FDEAB76193E80BD80C56A41D10AB9CCEFDB0CDF1AD82
Thaï 64-bit CAD5590347376103E369D7E04941B94C037F4CC6C75D81DC50E194FFA87C8CF8
Turc 64-bit A47E054FE0B762F5B48D08E2B6F768F4B1CA0BC6DB831A76E829F92E578483AF
Ukrainien 64-bit 68BABB954E4BFDF8A03ABC188D5120CF12D4DCA3CAE68EB1BFD4B64F872826E2

 

[windwhirl]

Microsoft maintains its own Windows debloat scripts on GitHub – OSnews

www.osnews.com

I feel like laughing at the irony of this.

 

[windwhirl]

Microsoft is claiming some improvements in the update process for 24H2

Windows 11, version 24H2 improved update fundamentals - Windows IT Pro Blog

See how Windows 11, version 24H2 improves update installation, restart, and CPU usage times, as well as download sizes.

techcommunity.microsoft.com

 

[Shou Miko]

Microsoft is claiming some improvements in the update process for 24H2

Windows 11, version 24H2 improved update fundamentals - Windows IT Pro Blog

See how Windows 11, version 24H2 improves update installation, restart, and CPU usage times, as well as download sizes.

techcommunity.microsoft.com

I spoke with Lenovo regarding update KB5044380 for Windows 11 since I had a customer with a X1 Carbon 12th gen where the webcam, fingerprint reader and more stopped working and I was told they had reports for roughly a week now with customers of Lenovo products experiencing problems because of this update.

Not a great start.

 

[nomdeplume]

Loaded untouched 22H2 ISO onto a flash drive in 2022 which I continued using through yesterday. Is there reason to go 23H2 or better modern alternative to slowly debloating using multiple programs after install?

 

[freeagent]

I am using the 24H2 iso from MS, seems pretty decent tbh. Nice and snappy, even with just a very mild system tune.