AMD Announces Ryzen 7 9800X3D, and Price-cuts Across Ryzen 9000 Series

[Dr. Dro]

"Reimagined" means there's a heavy hint that AMD might try to pour some extra sauce in this chili. I can't imagine what it could be.

Rumor has it they're unlocked, unlike previous generation X3Ds. That'd be it.

 

[SIGSEGV]

Wow, that's really fast, considering they come out no more than 2 months.
Lesson learned: don't buy AMD's processor on release day.
Nevertheless, I am happy with my 9950x for productivity.

 

[Pumper]

Another common AMD f.up. The leaks before official release were that the 9950X will be $599, then they went and released at $649, so it looks like they are just getting the prices to the originally planned levels.

 

[StimpsonJCat]

Hmmm....If I have a 7700X right now, with these price cuts I wonder if I'd gain any actual benefit going from a 7700X to a 9700X? Or would I gain a bigger benefit going from a 7700X to a 7800X3D even though I do more on my rig than strictly gaming (I use GIMP and Blender a bit, but it's more of a hobby thing)

Choices, choices. Buuuut at least I can keep my current boards

The perf difference between what you have now, and the 9700x is 5% maybe better in Blender due to AVX 512... But I don't know for sure.
The perf difference between what you have now and the 7800x3D is 20% in most games. same in general perf.

 

[Quicks]

AMD should have increased the base cache of the CPU to 64Mb. They probably would have sold like crazy and the. Get a X3D chip with 128Mb. Let's see what happens next generation.

Hahahaha... Price cuts two months after launch. Good job AMD. Love the winning streak your marketing departments is on.

They really are disconnected from each other and reality. Best not to buy anything AMD on release date and wait 3-6 Months to get better value.

 

[StimpsonJCat]

AMD should have increased the base cache of the CPU to 64Mb. They probably would have sold like crazy and the. Get a X3D chip with 128Mb. Let's see what happens next generation.



They really are disconnected from each other and reality. Best not to buy anything AMD on release date and wait 3-6 Months to get better value.

I have been saying this for years. x3D is a cash grab. Not the first iteration of it, as it was an experimental release to test the waters, but since then it is absolutely a Band-Aid over a design problem.

 

[ratirt]

Price cuts? Good. Keep it going down and maybe I will pull a trigger on a new rig

 

[R0H1T]

Not until AMD sends me a 5950x for $200 (or less)

 

[NoneRain]

Great move. Didn't expect that.

 

[_roman_]

Why should it be as cheap as the 7500f/7600 or even the 7600x?

The 9600X should cost maximum 20€ (=200€ or less) more as the Ryzen 7500F / 7600 / 7600X (only cheapest of the 3 counts)

A low end entry 6 core 9600X processor for 300€, than 290€ is a joke.
I bought my second 8 core Ryzen 5800X for around 310€ in the past, my first one for 400€. That was at a time when AM5 was not available.
Similar performing products for the same socket costs basically half of the price. The 7500F / 7600 are similar products and costs basically around 150€ for a very long time. Sometimes 170€

Why?

• The processor does not have 8 cores, it has 6 cores.
• The processor has only a better AVX512 instruction set.
• The internal gpu graphics may be needed by some people. The lack of dedicated graphic memory is an argument against it. The limited features are an argument against it.
• Intel has processors with higher Core Counts
• 9600X is just an entry level processor for the AM5 socket.

Just to show how the price is over time: This is a german pricechart website, which has also an united kingdom and poland subwebsite

AMD Ryzen 5 9600X, 6C/12T, 3.90-5.40GHz, boxed ohne Kühler ab € 245,99 (2024) | Preisvergleich Geizhals Österreich

✔ Preisvergleich für AMD Ryzen 5 9600X, 6C/12T, 3.90-5.40GHz, boxed ohne Kühler ✔ Bewertungen ✔ Produktinfo ⇒ Kerne: 6 (6C) • Threads: 12 • Turbotakt: 5.40GHz • Basistakt: 3.90GHz… ✔ AMD ✔ Testberichte ✔ Günstig kaufen

geizhals.at

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AMD has again a lot of "free" "Trash" games with their processors. That is also an argument that the processors are overpriced. I prefer cheaper processors without cashback or free games.

 

[trparky]

My theories (source: my ass):

1. 3D V-cache on both CCDs of the 9950X3D and 9900X3D.
2. The per-core L2 cache doubled to 2 MB.
3. High clock speeds

According to some reports, that's exactly what's going to happen. Emphasis on your first point.

The CPU is so badly designed for common home workloads (gaming) that it needs this cache to function properly outside of excel and web browsing.

A lot of that has to do with how bandwidth starved the Infinity Fabric is. Now, rumor has it that the Infinity Fabric is going to be going away with Zen 6 and is going to be replaced with something similar to that of Apple's UltraFusion Interconnect that used in their M-Ultra series of chips.

 

[Makaveli]

According to some reports, that's exactly what's going to happen. Emphasis on your first point.


A lot of that has to do with how bandwidth starved the Infinity Fabric is. Now, rumor has it that the Infinity Fabric is going to be going away with Zen 6 and is going to be replaced with something similar to that of Apple's UltraFusion Interconnect that used in their M-Ultra series of chips.

I still have my doubts on "3D V-cache on both CCDs of the 9950X3D and 9900X3D." but we will see in January.

 

[trparky]

I still have my doubts on "3D V-cache on both CCDs of the 9950X3D and 9900X3D." but we will see in January.

It would eliminate the need for making sure the processes are being routed to the correct CCX.

 

[Makaveli]

It would eliminate the need for making sure the processes are being routed to the correct CCX.

True but doesn't do much to address cross CCD latency.

 

[trparky]

True but doesn't do much to address cross CCD latency.

That's what a replacement for the Infinity Fabric would do.

Don't get me wrong, the Infinity Fabric has served AMD well for years but it's showing signs of it being unable to keep up with the demand. Not only is it bandwidth starved, and can you see that in how the 3DX chip versions are so much faster than their non-3DX versions since it doesn't have to communicate with outside RAM as often which involves going over, you guessed it, the Infinity Fabric. But it's also power hungry, and it has latency issues as well.

AMD needs to develop a new data interconnect pathway, and all rumors point to that happening with Zen 6 which introduces, as I alluded to before, something similar to Apple's UltraFusion.

 

[Makaveli]

That's what a replacement for the Infinity Fabric would do.

Don't get me wrong, the Infinity Fabric has served AMD well for years but it's showing signs of it being unable to keep up with the demand. Not only is it bandwidth starved, and can you see that in how the 3DX chip versions are so much faster than their non-3DX versions since it doesn't have to communicate with outside RAM as often which involves going over, you guessed it, the Infinity Fabric. But it's also power hungry, and it has latency issues as well.

AMD needs to develop a new data interconnect pathway, and all rumors point to that happening with Zen 6 which introduces, as I alluded to before, something similar to Apple's UltraFusion.

Yup Zen 6 and the new IOD can't come soon enough.

If we had that for Zen 5 would have no problem doing 1:1 with DDR5 8000 memory.

 

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It would eliminate the need for making sure the processes are being routed to the correct CCX.

How do you determine what the correct CCX is? One has the large cache, one is higher clocked in 7xxx.

Heterogenous CPU core scheduling is an unsolved problem.

 

[Dudebro-420]

How do you determine what the correct CCX is? One has the large cache, one is higher clocked in 7xxx.

Heterogenous CPU core scheduling is an unsolved problem.

You don't determine the correct CCX it's handled by the Windows scheduler or something like process Lasso.

 

[kriszhao80]

Is it? 265K will be better for everything except for competition low res gaming with high end graphic cards.

Obviously you don't know what you are talking about. 1080 and 1440 can see a big bump, and 1% lows matter too.

 

[unwind-protect]

You don't determine the correct CCX it's handled by the Windows scheduler or something like process Lasso.

I am speaking from the perspective of the scheduler.

 

[trparky]

How do you determine what the correct CCX is? One has the large cache, one is higher clocked in 7xxx.

Heterogenous CPU core scheduling is an unsolved problem.

And you solve that by making all CCXes the same. Get rid of this heterogenous crap.

 

[Marcus L]

The 9600X should cost maximum 20€ (=200€ or less) more as the Ryzen 7500F / 7600 / 7600X (only cheapest of the 3 counts)

A low end entry 6 core 9600X processor for 300€, than 290€ is a joke.
I bought my second 8 core Ryzen 5800X for around 310€ in the past, my first one for 400€. That was at a time when AM5 was not available.
Similar performing products for the same socket costs basically half of the price. The 7500F / 7600 are similar products and costs basically around 150€ for a very long time. Sometimes 170€

Why?

• The processor does not have 8 cores, it has 6 cores.
• The processor has only a better AVX512 instruction set.
• The internal gpu graphics may be needed by some people. The lack of dedicated graphic memory is an argument against it. The limited features are an argument against it.
• Intel has processors with higher Core Counts
• 9600X is just an entry level processor for the AM5 socket.

Just to show how the price is over time: This is a german pricechart website, which has also an united kingdom and poland subwebsite

AMD Ryzen 5 9600X, 6C/12T, 3.90-5.40GHz, boxed ohne Kühler ab € 245,99 (2024) | Preisvergleich Geizhals Österreich

✔ Preisvergleich für AMD Ryzen 5 9600X, 6C/12T, 3.90-5.40GHz, boxed ohne Kühler ✔ Bewertungen ✔ Produktinfo ⇒ Kerne: 6 (6C) • Threads: 12 • Turbotakt: 5.40GHz • Basistakt: 3.90GHz… ✔ AMD ✔ Testberichte ✔ Günstig kaufen

geizhals.at

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AMD has again a lot of "free" "Trash" games with their processors. That is also an argument that the processors are overpriced. I prefer cheaper processors without cashback or free games.

That's your country, the 7600x which is the better comparable rather than 7500/7600 non -x is only £40 cheaper than a 9600x is it too much, yea, but once the 7600x becomes less available and price comes down a bit more then 9600x will be the defacto

Hmmm....If I have a 7700X right now, with these price cuts I wonder if I'd gain any actual benefit going from a 7700X to a 9700X? Or would I gain a bigger benefit going from a 7700X to a 7800X3D even though I do more on my rig than strictly gaming (I use GIMP and Blender a bit, but it's more of a hobby thing)

Choices, choices. Buuuut at least I can keep my current boards

if you have a 7700x now and want more CPU rather than gaming performance you go with a 7900/9900/7950/9950x..... 9700x is a sidegrade for the same cores, you want outright CPU perf go with higher core count, same question, I have a 5700x if I want an upgrade would I go for a 5800x? not in a hells chance, AM6 or 12-16C AM4/AM5 at the very least, which is why I am stuck on 5700x, unless I spend £1k on new platform there is no meaning upgrade path that is worthwhile

 

[StimpsonJCat]

Yup Zen 6 and the new IOD can't come soon enough.

If we had that for Zen 5 would have no problem doing 1:1 with DDR5 8000 memory.

Then I would have upgraded from my 5950x... But if it is true that Zen 6 will have a new IO die, then it's too late for me to invest in AM5 because Zen 6 is supposed to be the last "new" Zen core on that platform, and I'm not buying a dead platform.

If this new IO die is true, and IF is being replaced then AMD have dropped the ball on AM5 badly. I wonder if AMD have decided to change strategy on AM5, and stick with it for a few more years, as there seems to be no sign of PCiE 6.0 or DDR6.

 

[trparky]

If this new IO die is true, and IF is being replaced then AMD have dropped the ball on AM5 badly.

I kind of feel like that too, it's more like Zen 4.5.

I wonder if AMD have decided to change strategy on AM5, and stick with it for a few more years

I hope so. I'd love to be able to use my motherboard for another four or five years.

 

[unwind-protect]

And you solve that by making all CCXes the same. Get rid of this heterogenous crap.

Yeah, but CPUs with mixes of cores of Zen and Zenc are coming.

Pretty soon you'll have to be on servah chips to get even cores.